The Polish Blame Culture!

Could you provide a single statement that by Davies that makes him biased? Of course you can't, you traditionally escape from responsibility for your silly little opinions:)))

They were glorious and strong and you are a major ignorant.


Judging by the amount of digs you send my way - you definitely do :)


Nice saving face exercise but sadly it's not working on me.

Here you go:

(on "Europe at war 1941-145)



You need more? I will be happy to provide you with more, now go drown yourself (in alcohol) or do sth else useful.


Same could be said about you.

And about the sarcasm, what a lousy way to admit that you didn't get it. Go join that nitwit Sokidoki in his drinking spree.

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M-G (tiens)

1. Russia was attacking Poland, there were border conflicts and the polish attack pre-empted the russian invasion by days, maybe weeks - Davies' statement is correct.

2. Ukraine was laid to waste in that a huge portion of the nation was starved to death, infrastructure was destroyed to prevent food transportation etc - Davies statement is correct.

3. Kulaks were starved to death or sent to Syberia - Davies is again correct.

4. Man made famines in Ukraine are not "supposed" this word discredits your entire source, its proven they've been enginereed.

All of your sad attempts have been rebuffed, now link us to the site you're quoting, i bet it says Viktor Suvorow or some other charming russian fellow.

Come on kurwa boy give us the link:)))))

Allow me: ""Armia Krajowa (Home Army), the AK, which could fairly claim to be the largest of European resistance" from God's Playground: A History of Poland. Davies overlooks the fact that the Yugoslav partisans were double the size of the AK and had more than 50 times more armed full-time member.

Do, as you traditionally do, pretend to ignore this post so you can not suffer the embarrassment of yet again having your arsse kicked by me.


It's more that he writes articles about events and gets the year they happened in wrong. And that in Rising 44 he sources information about the German side from "the German Federal Archives in Bonn" while there are no German Federal Archives in Bonn. And that he was denied tenure at a decent US university for "scientific flaws". Shall I go on?


I know Viktor Suvorov and am entirely sure that you wouldn't dare to mouth off at him in person about his work. Although I would pay good money to see you do it (or at least his reaction) But then there are very few people that you'd speak to in person as you speak to here.

You have no idea about Polish myths.


Yes please, I'm quite curious. I'd like to see a good article about his mischievious citings.. surely somebody noticed it beside you?
home.bawue.de/~hanacek/info/earchive.htm
There's a list of federal and administration archives in there, under the link there are 2 archives in Bonn, he could have called one of them federal. Don't get me wrong but it's all a bit too ocluded to cross him out, just because of a citing.

Come on MareGaea give us all a link, i think i know where did you take this bs from, this should be good:))))

Rebuffed by whom? You? Nobody takes you seriously, so nothing has been rebuffed so far.

kunikovsreviews.blogspot.com/2007/02/europe-at-war-1941-1945-by-norman.html

But it's also stated in Oxfordjournals (for which you have to subscribe) and a couple of other sources in writing, apparently not online as far as I can see, but if I have time, I will find them.

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M-G (tiens)

Cos there was nothing to get. You were dead serious.


Don't you worry: I saved that delightful piece of idiocy for future references :) Gems like that don't happen every day!

Ah, you can now also look in ppl's head? Don't overestimate yourself, you're just a simple bimbo with lousy excuses.


Idiocy because it diminishes the glorious past of the even more glorious kip of Poland?

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M-G (it must be hard to swallow that PL is not the best, the most glorious and the most noble in everything)

Sorry, but it's not a valid source, it has been written by a Russian, he states different things without citing his sources - in a "my dad told me when I was small" fashion. I don't mind spitting on Poland, just try to come up with something better. Maybe an unbiased neutral third side?

I stated there is also a source in the Oxford Journals, for which you have to subscribe, which costs money. I could leave a link to that one here, but you'd only get a login screen I'm afraid. As soon as I have time, I will provide more links, but it's not about spitting on PL, it's about a biased historian, because his work previous to his Polish work is being critisised just as hard among historians. But that "my dad told me"-thing, doesn't that also go for most claims here made about Polish history?

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M-G (it's called popular science for the masses)

No, I can read.


Insults. Boring. Plus I didn't offer lousy excuses. That's your specialty.


Certainly your ignorant comments can't diminish Polish past :)


I love how you desperately try to switch the gears when it gets uncomfortable.

Even if we take your explanation that Davies just got the name wrong (such commitment to accuracy!), one of the archives in Bonn is the German Bundestag archive which would be unlikely to have info regarding the Warsaw uprising, especially given that the Bundestag didn't even exist in 1944. The other is the archive of the German foreign ministry, also unlikely to be a source of info regarding the Warsaw uprising.


Maybe you'd like to address Davies' description of the AK in light of the Yugoslav partisans being double the size of the AK?

Not at all. I'm not uncomfortable with anything. Funny how you always interpret things according to your own silly little world.

But I haven't seen you contribute anything except reacting to my posts and if you do, it's just bytching and no substantial addition to anything.

And ahwwww, did I insult you? Don't care if I did. Well, just think before you try to insult me, which you try to do over and over again, without success. If I am boring, then so are you, because you're the only one that reacts to it all the freaking time. And if I wasn't interesting to you you simply would've ignored me, like I do with nearly all your posts in reaction to what sb says.

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M-G (tiens)

So your source is an internet blog by a pro-communist Russian? Nice! :)

The deafening silence from the Davies groupies about their hero being such a Polonophile that he claimed the AK was bigger than a force which was double the size of the AK and had up to a 10,000% more full-time armed members than the AK tells us all that we need to know about Davies: even his biggest fans can't even try to support him.

My contribution was calling you on BS about why Polish underground didn't liberate Poland like Yugoslavs did. Which you have no reasonable explanation so far. Just your standard nonsense (changing the focus of discussion) with the advanced-level nonsense ("I was sarcastic") plus some uncreative insults ("you are a sad person'').

I have to run now. Try to come up with more b1ching how mad are you at me for kicking your ass every time :)

No, my main source at the moment is the Oxford journal which contains a full synopsis and critique of the work involved. Like said, you have to have a paid subscribtion to it, so if I would link to it, you'd probably only get a login screen. Here's the link, but don't start crying as you usually do when you are being proved wrong:

ehr.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/CXXII/497/795

So, get yourself a subscription and you can see for yourself. It costs 135 Euro per annum, except when you're a member of the American historical/political society. Then you pay 101 Euros. Last month I renewed my subscription.


What makes you think that I am angry? For me to become angry there is more necessary and you haven't kicked my ass so far. Because you are just asking questions in return.

Based on the numbers of footmen, AK should be able to liberate PL herself, she didn't because she may not have been as well armed as the Yugo partizans, the biggest resistance army in the world ;)

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M-G (tiens)

I knew it, yet another made up lie, you know i will not subscribe just to prove you lied again so you chose that source deliberately :))))))))

Got facts?:)

Admitting you are wrong simply just isn't in your dictionary, right? I have subscribed to this over 15 years ago as I have benefits of it. But if you're too chicken again, I will get you some evidence that in historian's circles Davies is widely doubted as being reliable.

Edit: and rest yourself assured that this is not about PL, but about him as historian, read the critics on his "The Isles".

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M-G (tiens, some ppl do care about their trained profession)

I blame the... wait a minute... he?!

What does Davies have to do with The Polish blame culture?

I don't know.

And who are you anyway?

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M-G (hehe)

Poland blame culture is based on facts, but Polish blame culture dwarfs Jewish blame culture.

M-G, how about more objectivity in acknowledging that Israeli Jews have done very bad things!? Fine, defend a corner but try and see the bigger picture.

Sok, you are talking to a guy who is likely a big fan of Netanyahu and Livni. The former wants to return to the 1967 Six-Day war situation and wheedle even more land. He doesn't know about the ICJ Judgement of 2004 or, if he does, chooses to ignore it.

Yehudi, there is plenty video evidence of bulldozing and are you even aware of the killing ratio? It would take Palestinians some 50 years to kill as many Israeli Jews as was seen in a 3-week period called OCL.

Now you're talking a bit rubbish, Seanus. I have on multiple occasions rejected Israeli politics. I do see the bigger picture and have shown more objectivity than the average anti-Israeli poster on this forum.

What annoys me though is that the same ppl who feel so sorry for the poor, poor Palestinians are the same that condemn Islam and Arab ppl. Guess what, Palestinians are Arabs too and a lot of them (not all) are Muslim. It's hypocrite and it comes across that it's just against the Jews again and that they in fact not that much care about the Palestinians.



Is this about me? If yes, shame on you. I am NOT a fan of Netanyahu, but I liked Yitzak Rabin. But I am not in favour of Israeli politics, have even signed a petition saying that Israël should stop the building of that dreaded wall (as indeed was ruled by the International Court of Justice in the Hague on the 9th of July 2004) and I have substantially donated for the well being of the Palestinian families (the innocent ones, I mean, I don't support the Palestinian terrorists). I am in fact a little disappointed that you think that I am not objective in this matter. You should know better, Seanus.

Edit: how about your own objectivity?

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M-G (tiens)

M-G, such bunching is really not on. You can't just clump Palestinians, who are fighting for their very existence, in with other rich Arab states that have room to maneuver. What an absurd thing to say! The Muslim world is divided (Shia/Sunni) so less of the labelling of Palestinians as just the same as other Muslims.

I can condemn what is done to them yet criticise Wahhabism as an ideological doctrine of Saudi Arabia. There's nothing hypocritical in that at all. Caring for the Palestinians is natural as they were victimised.

It was about MC, not you. You are at least aware of that judgement and likely support it as, in fact, many Jewish people do.

My own objectivity is most definitely not in question.

I was just pointing out the hypocrisy that some ppl, I wasn't talking about you, employ by on one hand supporting the Palestinians and on the other hand condemning fellow Arabs. But besides: Palestinians do have a state in forma: it's called Jordan, which population is for a major part Palestinian.

In short, I think I am pretty objective as to where it comes to this subject. But then again, it's not my country, never have been there and don't know anybody there. The only Israelis I have ever met were a couple of hot female students in Amsterdam (who were suddenly all over me after hearing that I was half-Jewish, while being cool and distant before that) and three boys here in Dubs at work. I really have never met more than, say 10, Israeli in my entire life. So what ties should I have with that country? I consider myself Dutch, and I am Dutch. Not Israeli, not Jewish (just a religion imo), not anything else; just Dutch. And I am proud to be :)

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M-G (a bit cranky lately, Seanus?)

You're the only one, everyone else thinks you're a lying anti-polish racist:)

Well, we know who's saying this, the biggest racist twat on this forum, whom nearly everbody hates, except some fellow depraved souls.

Sokidoki's filosophy: everbody who doesn't agree with me is a liar. Everybody who says sth I don't want to hear or sth that I don't know anything about (which is a lot) is a liar too. And I think it's fair to start calling names under the pretence of "If I shout and curse at them hard enough, they will stop destroying my fake world".

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M-G (nobody really takes you serious, Sokidoki. You don't prove anything ever)