Is there anything similar to ellisisland which shows people departing the USA after staying there for some time.
ARE THERE ANY RECORDS SHOWING IMMIGRANTS LEAVING USA BEGINNING 20THC
I'm sure there are, but ask yourself this question: they left the shythole that was Europe back in the day for a better life in the US. Probably with no proscecution and all. Why the heck would they want to go back to that craphole they fled?
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M-G (thinks the percentage of ppl who went back to Europe is amazingly small)
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M-G (thinks the percentage of ppl who went back to Europe is amazingly small)
From what I understand a large proportion of the great immigration before WW I did go back. My great grandfather went back. Many men went to work in the U.S. to make money and come back to buy land when the Austrians allowed it in Galicia. I don't know of any records other than trying to find ship registries going the other way.
ARE THERE ANY RECORDS SHOWING IMMIGRANTS LEAVING USA BEGINNING 20THC
Those coming back may show up on 'ship's records' for a port other than a Polish one
Via: cork, liverpool, hamburg etc.
(thinks the percentage of ppl who went back to Europe is amazingly small)
correct.. ship manifests may be the only thing unless they gave up their us citizenship then there would be records but i have no idea where one could find that info.
they left the shythole that was Europe back in the day for a better life in the US.
btw. usa was a pretty bad shythole back then too.
usa was a pretty bad shythole back then too.
Some might say, parts of it still are.
and more are going that way unfortunately.
Thank you to everyone for their input. I have been trying to trace descandants of a Gt.Uncle and as all traces of him have disappeared from his arrival in Chicago, I am assuning he may have gone back to Poland. When he left the country was under Austrian rule and subsequently taken over by Russia before reverting back to Poland in 1920, so it is reasonable to assume he would have wished to return home. My grandfather spent some time in USA and also returned home when things improved.
I've found my relatives. Thanks for the input
descandants of a Gt.Uncle
I've found my relatives. Thanks for the input
PolishBread-OK
21 Dec 2011 / #9
From memory I read somewhere that about 1 in 3 returned home. These would be young men who had families back home and missed them.
After a year or two some returned to the USA and UK and started again. Most changed their names one or more times and moved often. You need to bear in mind that the life/death rates were not that good. An old man would be 37, people died early at 37-45. Their early life in Poland / Russia / Lithuania, was a disgrace, no jobs meant no money, no money meant no food, and so simple things like medicine, clothing, shoes, meat, wood or coal could not be bought, or doctors paid. You then had the huge problem of transporting food from the farm to the shops and keeping it fresh and edible. These people thought prices were too high, that they were being robbed at every turn, and they were correct in thinking that the Government ignored their plight. Moving to America was a miracle and an hard one indeed. Old Ellis Island photos show the type of people who were arriving, we need to ask ourselves would we have survived, would we have succeeded, and would we want to return home. Your uncle may have died from flu, been buried in a paupers grave, and never married or had family. May he rest in peace. RIP.
* Ellis Island hold ship passenger lists, check the tickets from the WILSON SHIPPING LINE, FROM LITHUANIA TO HULL, ENGLAND, its likely your uncle changed boats in England, and initially went by train from Hull to Liverpool then by boat to the USA. A possible outward journey port was LIEPEJA in Lithuania and Hamburg in Germany. See Hamburg-Amerika Line.
After a year or two some returned to the USA and UK and started again. Most changed their names one or more times and moved often. You need to bear in mind that the life/death rates were not that good. An old man would be 37, people died early at 37-45. Their early life in Poland / Russia / Lithuania, was a disgrace, no jobs meant no money, no money meant no food, and so simple things like medicine, clothing, shoes, meat, wood or coal could not be bought, or doctors paid. You then had the huge problem of transporting food from the farm to the shops and keeping it fresh and edible. These people thought prices were too high, that they were being robbed at every turn, and they were correct in thinking that the Government ignored their plight. Moving to America was a miracle and an hard one indeed. Old Ellis Island photos show the type of people who were arriving, we need to ask ourselves would we have survived, would we have succeeded, and would we want to return home. Your uncle may have died from flu, been buried in a paupers grave, and never married or had family. May he rest in peace. RIP.
* Ellis Island hold ship passenger lists, check the tickets from the WILSON SHIPPING LINE, FROM LITHUANIA TO HULL, ENGLAND, its likely your uncle changed boats in England, and initially went by train from Hull to Liverpool then by boat to the USA. A possible outward journey port was LIEPEJA in Lithuania and Hamburg in Germany. See Hamburg-Amerika Line.