Mixed-Blood Poles in America (Do we count?)

Nice term. Does it mean 1st generation?

who?


because it's true ;D

nunczka:
Anchor babies

Nice term. Does it mean 1st generation?[/quote]

Yeah sorta. But the law says that anybody born in America is an American citizen.. BUT!
The illigal Mexican aliens are claiming that right for their ANCHOR babies. Causing a lot of anger in America.

matejko was of czech origin. married with german chick from what i remember

Ah, Ireland had a similar situation recently, with a rise in non-europeans having kids and claiming Irish nationality for them.

I believe your misunderstanding comes from the terms you use.

'Asian' and 'African' are continents with many countries.
"Scottish, Irish, Polish etc" are countries on the European continent.

You can be just as much a white Zambian as you can a black Irish but generally people with less melanin in their skin originate from Europe.

OK, but what if I said, "Indian" or "Chinese"?

I understand, although I stand to be corrected, that in US the term "Asian" is almost wholly used for Chinese, japanese, Korean etc, whereas in Britain it would also refer to Indian, Pakistani etc.

That said, I have never heard the term "Euro-American" as opposed to "Afro-American" (probably only a matter of time).

What if, like many Indians, you were called Pakistani?
Or A Tibetan called Chinese/

It's the same, no?

I remember being a small kid and meeting a black man in London and I was surprised that he spoke English with such a definite London accent, it appeared like someone had dubbed his voice.

The lines are blurred, we have always mixed, that's why there is no real thing called race.

Yeah, it also depends on how much you understand world geography, I suppose.


Me neither but since this E.U. thing has been going, I see no reason why not but what will the Russians think? ;)

lol, it's a bit like the Irish-speaking Chinese guy in a take-away in Galway.


But is that because they are Indian muslims, Pakistani people of the Indian subcontinent or just Hindu/Christian brown skinned people who others thought were from Pakistan? often, in old literature, someone is defined as a nationality based on something like their faith, so Muslims are often referred to as "Turks", even tho' they weren't from Turkey.


I was thinking of something like this when I saw "Who do you think you are?" a couple of weeks ago. There was a British actor whose family, on his mothers side, had been involved in India for several generations, as members of the Raj and British army. Eventually it turned out he had an Indian, or mixed race, ancestor. But I was wondering if his family could be called 'Indian' just because they had been based in the country for so many years, even though they were white British colonialists.

for me he wasn't greatest painter... Poland had lots of much better artists. And best world-wide known is half polish Tamara £empicka

Oh, makes me think of a good example. In germany there are a number of communities of people who emigrated ('returned') to Germany under the open-door policy of the 1960's/70's when Germany allowed East-European 'ethnic' Germans to come to Germany. In particular, I think about the Russian-speakers who were historically German but had hardly any cultuaral connection with modern Germany and many spoke no (standard) German at all. In Russia, they were referred to as 'Germans', whilst in germany they are often thought of as 'Russian'.

Apart from which passports you are eligible for, I think it is just a matter of which culture identity you feel closest to.

I mean, take the original poster:


He didn't say African-Polish-American but he identifies more with Poland.
Maybe I am misreading him, as I am not sure how he feels but that is how I read it.


Good point, the concept of identity definitely changes with the times.

Gee how far one can go to became progressive, even talking rubbish !

good thought.

Kindly explain which part of what I said is untrue.

most of what you said is untrue with exception of some point which are debatable and will remain so in foreseeable future!

Nationality depends on culture just as much as genes or where you were born.

So it depends, in some ways, on what culture you choose.

Yeah, sure. You have no arguments so you're being vague.

I'm too drunk and too tied to have a go at your


point by point ......but for once Matejko wasn't Bohemian and for all the rest I the noblest Pole of them all! and


That excuse of the Gustav is right there !eh!

I-S ( Stockholm sucks !:P)

Just curious. Why are you asking 'how accepting is the Polish-American community...'
You should know it first hand. Well, you tell us about it, tell us your experience as you live it.
Frankly, I don't quite believe the Jefferson Park/Englewood story but the topic is good.

It was a few years ago when I walked into a store on Michigan Ave in Chicago and the black sales person started to speak polish to me after he detected some accent. I was amazed how well he spoke polish and only with just a hint of foreign accent. At first he said that he studied it but later admitted that he was married to a polish woman for a decade or so.

How well do you speak polish 'Sklodowski" ? :)

Where did you learn that from??????

According to Polish law - to the art.34 of the Polish Constitution

W Polsce obowiązuje zasada prawa krwi wyrażona w art. 34 Konstytucji RP, który stanowi:
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Obywatelstwo polskie nabywa się przez urodzenie z rodziców będących obywatelami polskimi

You are Polish citizen by Blood rights!!!! if born to parents or one parent who are/is Polish citizen

Jednak posiłkowo stosowana jest także zasada ziemi, która zawarta została w art. 5 ustawy z dnia 15 lutego 1962 r. o obywatelstwie polskim[4]:
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dziecko urodzone lub znalezione w Polsce nabywa obywatelstwo polskie, gdy oboje rodzice są nieznani bądź nieokreślone jest ich obywatelstwo lub nie posiadają żadnego obywatelstwa

States, that there are also Born land rights!!! you are Polish citizen, if born or been found within Polish borders and of unknown parents or nationality or with parents but who lost or are of unknown nationality.

More here but in Polish, I couldn't find exact English version:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obywatelstwo

You really don't believe me? Why not? It's not a joke. I am black and polish and my parents are from where I said they were.


Not very well. I understand it way better because my grandmother and mother speak it all the time. I can understand them most of the time. But, beyond that I literally understand half the words anyone says, which is garbage. I am learning though at uchicago.

I speak it as well as my grandmother speaks english. And she speaks typical broken, polack english. You know what I mean?

Well, because your dad was from Englewood, his last name is anything but Sklodowski.
I can understand why you may not speaking polish, no reason to do so since your grandma still speaks 'polack english' as you said and your momma may not speak much polish being born here. Did the kids call you bad names in school? Offensive ones? (I hope your childhood was not miserable). It is you who can shed some light on that. Yeah, I am skeptical about your 'story'.

Did you make that up? I've never heard it used anywhere in the USA.

No! This word is used to describe babies born in the US under the 14th amendfment.

theamericanresistance.com/issues/anchor_babies.html

I believe him. He didn't exactly say his dad was Polish. It's probably the other way around.


The article says that children are considered anchor babies if their mother is an illegal immigrant. I guess that means if your dad is illegal when you're born but your mom isn't, then you're not an anchor baby? That's weird.

Eurola

He could have easily taken his mother's last name. Not unheard of in the States. Naming conventions are not as strict in the US as they are in Europa.

If you knew what West Englewood neighborhood is in Chicago, you'd know that his father was not polish... :) I can assure you of that wolfie. Besides, I'd love to hear any of his childhood stories, if he had them.

Well, my name was hyphenated. I'm really Sklodowska-Johnson. But, I was raised by my mother (and I'm a man). So, I took Sklodowski. My mother was born in Gdynia. She was not born here. She moved to England at age 5 and then to Chicago after her father died at age 12.

No one really called be anything offensive in school. I grew up in a hispanic neighborhood. They all either thought I was one of them or knew I was mulato. However, on occasion I would meet blacks who laughed at me and hated me when I told them I was half Polish, make fun of my name and what not. They thought I was trying to be white. I never really got made fun of by whites. I'm just a little paranoid that they laugh at me too. On top of that, I keep hearing that Poles are racist. My friend, for example, told me his mother constantly shouts ****** and warns him to make sure his black friends don't steal form him. So, I feel exiled by blacks, whites and poles alike. This would be fine. But, America forces people into categories and a mixed category has yet to be accepted.

I see blacks and whites alike clinging to a few drops of American Indian blood. Meanwhile, I was raised by my Polish Mother and Grandmother, am familiar with the language, culture and history, hope to learn the language fully and am not sure if I count.

What would poles/polonia say? That's what I'm interested in hearing.

I think Polonia would be curious of you, especially if you started to speak some polish. Being brought up in a polish household, I suppose you developed a taste for pierogi and polish sausage, right? :) Have you ever been to any polish deli shopping? I'm sure there could be some puzzled looks, here and there but I can tell you - they would like it. Don't believe all the stuff you read here.