wotrwokr 1 | 1 29 Aug 2010 / #1hello,i live the US and was looking backward into the trees of my family. my father's side is surnamed gramza... and my mother's lineage is kobza. here in the states... there's a lot of dead-end rabbit rails (some in my family say that our roots go through poland... others germany (polish border area)... yet others say that it's of belarus/ ukraine origin. i think i might be on the right course because my grandparents spoke (what i'm told) was sparse polish.any thoughts or input?thx SO much!
mrozenbe - | 12 29 Aug 2010 / #2People who called Kobza are located in Poland like on the map;moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/kobza.htmlPeople who called Gramza on the second map;moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/gramza.html
Polonius3 980 | 12276 29 Aug 2010 / #3GRAMZA: from dialectic verb gramać się -- in standard Polish gramolić się -- to awkwardly lumber along, growingly climb something.KOBZA: bagpipes (usually goatskin).For more info please contact me
MilwaukeeSon 2 | 5 27 Sep 2010 / #4Would you be related to Gordon Gramza and Esther Kobza? Esther Kobza is a distant cousin of mine. As far as I know, the Kobzas always considered themselves Polish.
OP wotrwokr 1 | 1 9 Mar 2012 / #5yes. i am their son (ron). i realize that their parents (both sides) did always reference polish terms... but i have been also told by some people that i work with (who are bosnian) that are very sure that there is some Kosovo ancestry in the name. just really am interested in some of my heritage as i get older. kinda like they say... "you can't get where you're going, if you don't know where you've been". thx
Zman 9 Mar 2012 / #6trust your parents on that. Slavic names tend to have spread from Balkans to Poland, Ukraine and even sometimes Russia.