If your ancestors were in the "Wehrmacht"...

Very good. And not only in one country, each country has its own versions.


patronizer.

Well, I would never call all these 'ski's in the Wehrmacht "traitors"!

I would never judge my ancestors before I didn't walk a week in their shoes...who am I to dare this!

Technically you are right. However it still leaves a lot of place for interpretation of the word German. Here where I live there are a lot of Vogels, Szulc's, Heagenbart's, Neuman's, Sperling's, etc and none of them actually can speak German. It's the same as it was during WWII. If you had a German name, you were asked to sign volkliste. Not signing it could mean future deportation to the Generalgouvernement für die besetzten polnischen Gebiete or a trip deep into the Reich to work as a slave labourer. It was a risk many would not take. Of course this doesn't mean that every wehrmacht soldier from Poznań or Nowy Tomyśl was actually drafted against their will. There were many that once captured by the allies told those stories just to save their own skin.

Well, that's exactly the reason why such blunt judgements as from Hitty are so wrong!
Everything between our peoples was so mixed and so messed up....most of us have probably ancestors from both sides anyhow...

Sounds very familiar to me. My grandpa was ask "nicely" to join so he went into hiding with my father for the rest of the occupation. Grandpa's brother though was sent to forced labour to Germany and was never heard of again.


Wanna hug Bratwurtski? :)

You are German too???

My....so many Germans in Poland....:)

Yeah, your family were die Polen, and mine were Bambry. :))

I am amused at people who weren't even alive in WWII hating other people who weren't alive in WWII because they are from the "enemy" side. Morons.

Bamberg? Ja???


Please! *goes into hug position*

My uncle went down this road too, but luckily managed to escape making his way to Yugoslavia, from where he eventually joined General Anders.

None of us who live today in a free world have the right to judge what somebody did in order to survive...I am old enough to have been in a situation where my life was in the hands of people who cared not a bit for it , and trust me , you do not worry too much about what is right and wrong , or how people will judge you in future years...You do whatever it takes to stay alive...The human intinct to survive is very strong , and can easily overide all other thoughts... Its easy to sit in your safe home saying you would rather die than do some of the terrible things that people did in the war , but untill you find yourself in such a situation...they are just words...

Well actually I am not sure. It's from my father's side of the family. They could have been from all over the reich, it's just that every descendant of German setlers that moved to Wielkopolska in the 18 century were being called Bambry.

Still haven,t answered my question.

He never said he lived through a war. You, however, did. Which war did YOU live through?

So why is he commenting. His statement, not mine.

Yes, I did say I lived through a war, what business is it of yours which one.
Want a bun Trunky ?

was it the cold war....or the cod war...?

You mistake my intentions. I have no interest in knowing which war you "lived" through. I already know that you have lived through no wars. I only ask because I want to see which war you picked to pretend you participated in. After that, I and others could drill you with one or two questions about that war (which you would fail to answer) and thus laugh at your attempt to big yourself up through lying.

But hey, all that's not necessary. It's enough to know that you are simply some lying, insecure teenage brat. I only asked because I wanted to satisfy my own perverted needs for the humiliation of others through their own fault. I love me some karma :)

Read your childish post carefully my friend and be careful what you wish for.

Karma ? You certainly deserve it.

Attack of the one-liners again? Yawn.

Slight contradiction ^^^^^^^

Looks like your friend beelzebub got the hump with you too. lol

Wind up merchant, go and play with someone else.

I have seen you express political views here on PF. It would follow then that you consider yourself mediocre.


Which roots did Mickiewicz shuffle aside?

It is annoying when non native English speakers try to use rare colloquialisms to sound clever. Usually they end up just muddying their point and looking foolish. But you would be used to looking foolish.

I re-read your question and I see why we misunderstood each other. I meant to say that there are political views which I consider mediocre and as a consequence a person who supports them. Having an opinion, a political one, has nothing wrong with it.


There is an article, which might explain the reasons I consider him a mediocre personality, though it has nothing to do with his literary works.

I wrote nothing about his political views or whether I supported them.
We've been talking about a poet, weren't we?


Indeed. Nada.

Mickiewicz was 'Lithuanian' in the same way Piłsudski was (Józef also called himself a Lithuanian). It were 'Lithuanians' like them who wanted Wilno to be part of Poland after WW1.

Here is an interesting article written by an American Lithuanian:
lituanus.org/1977/77_1_01.htm


Looks like polish chauvinism ;)
Anyway, Mickiewicz probably had ruthenian/belarussian roots.

Stop avoiding the question.


Still haven,t answered my question.


You,ve just answered your own. Well done.

You contradict yourself too much !!!

Ehr... I was talking about Kashubs and Poles and you are appear with a link that is about Volksdeutsche, about ethnic Germans. The ethnic Germans / Volksdeutsche that lived on the former German territory, wich was in this time Polish, did collaborate with the Germans. No doubts about that. They were caterozied as "DVL 2". But we aren't talking about these people, well I'm certainly not. We are talking about the people that were DVL 3.

After the war the communist lied, that the people that signed the DVL 3 were "Volksdeutsche" and collaborated with the Germans and couldn't wait to crawl as deep as they could into the Germans ass. What a crap...

Well, obviously you've belived in these lies, instead of informing yourself properly.


We see how "very well" you know what you are talking about.

Mòrsczi Púrtk

^^^ Morsczi_Purtk ^^^

It all leads to the same issue. Volksdeutsche were conscripted into the wehrmacht. Are you in denial ?
German blood, German connections, whatever....... German.

And who informed you ?


This is just YOUR opinion. Period.

This is post #96. So no, I was talking about his political view, not poetry, even though I did say that it was a bit too soapy. Pardon my audacity ;)


Exactly what I meant, thank, Poki ;) Such an "elite" is a bunch of mediocre mfs.


Looks like? ;)

Wrong again! If you would have informed yourself properly, you would have known that. But what can I expect from you, Hitmännchen (except of "stressing" 90 year old "traitors")?


No really? Didn't knew that...
The point is, that the Volksdeutsche went voluntarily to the Wehrmacht and became voluntarily citizen of the "Reich". The "DVL 3 men" were forced to do so, what means, that they were not traitors.


Many of people that been trough this, tons of German documents etc. etc.

Mòrsczi Púrtk