Young Polish Man living in Ireland dies from injuries sustained in brawl

belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/ireland/article3041602.ece

Sad..but happens everywhere, not just to Polish.

Happens everywhere indeed, it is sad. its not a racist crime, it was pole on pole according to link and irregardless, it is a simple crime and downright WRONG

hi hello
are you a tele reader? ni connections?
/cjj

The Irish police seem to blame two Poles for the beating. Polish guest workers I've spoken to say Mateusz was beaten up by Irish hooligans.

So whats your point?

Mateusz was beaten up in late September and stayed in the hospital since. I'd appreciate any further info on the case. I have nothing against the Irish people; I just would like to get to the truth about the case.

Thank you, Daisy.


- Nothing for you to take interest in.

"two Poles" or "Irish hooligans".

Interesting distinction you've made there. I'm sure the bias was unintended.

A young man is dead, a young life wasted

His family must be going through hell and my heart goes out to them

Can we not turn this into another fight, there's enough of this going on in other threads on the forum

the young gentleman is no longer with us, we should sincerely pray for him that his after life is in peace and comfort, the police should be more strict and look at the route of these casues,

in london there was another murder, a young 17 year old boy was stabbed to death by 3 youths who are ethnically 'afro carribean', apparently the young man was fasting also.

these incidents will continue to happen...UNLESS.. we all get together and start identifying good and bad behaviour,,, alot of violence comes from our human characteristics of greed and jealousy in addition learning through the many mediums we accept abuse to other humans

peace to all

I dont see the point in constantly highlighting the ethnicities of the victims/perpertrators. We've now got to the stage where people are guessing the ethnicities of the perpertrators to try and fit in with there own persecution complex.

the reason it is highlighted is to understand factors that casued this: if we can profile the individual who murdered the young man from polish fro example - history of crime, family background, relationship issues, education etc etc this will enable us to look for areas in the system where this person who commited this crime does not feel it is a crime to take the life of a fellow man. the seriousness lies in the fact that we are divided into so many groups that we dont care for each other, one is polish one is irish, but the fact is that in 20 years time young leszek who will be born and bread in dublin will be irish?

in terms of the other incident, the black community has a hig proportion of crime, this is evident thorugh observation and statistics. i am not being racist but lets look at why... if we look at the socialisation process the key factor that teaches them is music. hip hop, garage and other sorts that use lyris like - i killed 'x' i have a big car etc.. if one is bought up on this notion then they will aspire to be like this

last week a young polish woman paased away in between a gun battel - pure innocent...

please join the forum Jareck, it needs more level headed people like you, who can debate intelligently

I believe Jareck has joined in the past under the name LoneStranger.....:)

i believ not pani ranj,

Hmmm, well then you have a twin on here who has the exact writing style as you and also studies theology.....small world, eh?

theology, thats a compliment, i have actually studied business and psycholohy many years ago, i work a as stock broker. but yes you will find there are many similarites between people, there will be soemone who actually shares many similairites with you, looks, writing style, eye colour.

I agree with what your saying am am not questioning your motives. However, I'm sure you can see that some are using these unconfirmed stories to feed there own personal issues by using a mixture of conjecture and bias.

Sometimes, maybe even most times, ethnicity ISNT a pertaining factor.

So are you saying you have not studied theology?

that is correct - but in this day and age, ethinicty and nationalism are regarded highly, the first thing people ask when they see soemone nw is there nationality, and then we make judgements based on limited information we have.

i like one feature in a religion which really discourages nationalism and differences, it encourages its followers and the general public to assess peopel on their character not their passport colour,

the reason i highlighted these points in relation to ethnicity is becaseu we learn a great deal from our environment and certain environments are teaching young people 'bad' things... this is concentrated on some ethnicities.

"the bible does require reading objectively, i am also studying other religious texts like veda and quran" Taken from Jareck's post on Why Men Won't Marry thread.

WOW.....where do you find the time?

My apologies, it's just that this Lonestranger guy is known to have several alias' on this forum and I couldn't help but notice the extreme similarities between the two of you. I mean, it's not everyone who studies not only the Bible, but also the Veda and the Quran, like you and LS.

True, but this discouragement of nationalism and differences also comes at the expense of diversity and under a single belief system that must be accepted and all others vilified. However thats a different thread. :)

it nationalism that casues wars, language differences, accent dialect, group membership,
when you start looking at people as one creation like yourself then you will not say your indian, your english etc

i would like you to think about a scenario, if there is a fire and in the building there is a polish person and a nigerian who will you go to rescue first...

the point i am making is that when we attatch ourelves with these features of identity natioanlity, language, color, then we disregard others.

Islam teaches this perhaps more than any other religion and things arent working out too well for them at the moment.

What you say is true as long as everyone believes the same thing. Consensus prevents conflict. Religion creates division unless you can make everyone believe the same as you.

also christianity. jesus was the saviour for mankind
unlike judaism which is very tite and hinduism

All religions are inherently nonsensical however I have the most time for Judaism as it is the only one of the monotheistic religions that doesnt try to seeks converts and doesnt actually care what others think. Their attitude is summed up as 'we wont try to make you believe what we believe as we dont care what you believe.' Very liberal.

well religion teaches good things, with chrisitanity its missionary which means everybody can leanr about ti. actuallyy i am learnign about it in detail and also islam

- The 'distinction' comes from the press report I have read. Should I write 'Polish hooligans' if I don't know if they are such?

And you, who have indicated the death of the young man is of no importance, have the temerity to complain about bias?


- How can nationalism cause wars? I fancy. :)


- Really? How specifically do we allegedly 'disregard' others because of our attachment to our nationality, language, color [sic], etc.?


- 'Level-headed,' 'debating intelligently'? You mean 'jareck' possesses these characteristics? :)

Oh, Daisy, how overly kind you seem to be at times.

This forum is dying, but not because there's lack of folks like 'jareck' on it. It's dying because real Polish people - like me - are not allowed to express themselves freely on it. What stupid and perverse censorship takes place on this forum! On the other hand, human pigs like 'Muckal' are allowed to heap hateful Polonophobic insults freely, with impunity, and when I reply in kind, I am rebuked for 'name calling.' You know, one who respects oneself doesn't talk with pigs as one does with human beings.

I was suspended once for using the perfectly innocent (and beautiful old English word) 'wench.' Only because some psycho from Canada demanded that.

And recently I have been warned by Admin not to use the word 'creature' on this forum! Again, it seems, because another psycho - this time of 'colour' and from UK - demanded that.

Anyhow, this is all off the topic; perhaps somebody could open up a thread where folks could say what they think about the forum? I can participate in the debate (provided I'm not suspended or kicked out earlier).

Love and respect to you from me, Daisy, gentle English flower.

Like pointing out that the Republic of Ireland might not quite fit in with Polonia UK.
A lot of people could do with atlases.