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Modern Plantation for Poles in Ireland


Torq  
21 Jun 2009 /  #151
Polish community claim that there are up to 500,000 Poles here

Links please. Until you provide them I will consider this a blatant lie.

Hate to quote my own posts, but the point stays valid:

And how do they know? You can only judge the number of Poles in Ireland by the
number of PPS numbers issued and that's waaay below the ridiculous 500 thousand
that you are talking about. Plus, a lot of people who received PPS numbers have
already come back to Poland.

OP RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
21 Jun 2009 /  #152
Ireland32

Importing up to 500,000 Poles, the majority of whom have no interest in Ireland or no interest in integrating with the Irish people is a plantation.

It is moving one nationality into a country with the sole aim of setting up their own Polish areas, shops, social centres, and syphoning as much money as they can from the Irish state back to Poland or among their fellow Polish nationals.

Torq

The source is from the Polish media outlets in Ireland.
krakowpost.com/article/665
Ireland32 2 | 172  
21 Jun 2009 /  #153
As far as I know they have'nt burned us out of our homes, raped our women, stole our land and made us pay rent for the homes we built.

Yeah they have some shops. Good on them. If they work hard and contribute, pay there rates, taxes etc then more power to them. There are irish bars all over the world. Arent you being a bit of a hypocrite here.

What about the Chinese. There are more chinese takeaways in Ireland than Polish shops. There are more Pakistani clothes shops in Ireland than Polish shops in Ireland.

what is your point?
irishdeano 5 | 304  
21 Jun 2009 /  #154
Yeah they have some shops. Good on them. If they work hard and contribute, pay there rates, taxes etc then more power to them. There are irish bars all over the world. Arent you being a bit of a hypocrite here.

i told him this earlier

What about the Chinese. There are more chinese takeaways in Ireland than Polish shops. There are more Pakistani clothes shops in Ireland than Polish shops in Ireland.

what is your point?

Nail on the head, post of the night
Torq  
21 Jun 2009 /  #155
The source is from the Polish media outlets in Ireland.

"Different sources give different numbers, ranging from 170,000 according to the Polish Embassy in Dublin to 500,000 according to Polish media in Ireland."

So, the Polish embassy, who has no exact data (because they don't gather it) but has
insight into population and tax data in Poland and government agencies investigating the
overall phenomenon of emigration, says 170000 (which still sounds a bit too high).

On the other hand, some Polish organisations in local media claim that there are 500,000.

You chose to believe the Polish organisations in Ireland, which would obviously always
give higher numbers (in that case ridiculously high) in hope of having more influence,
receiving more funds or getting a special status for Polish language in Ireland.

You must see that you're not being sensible here.

Just to make one thing clear - I DO NOT support the request of making Polish
the official language in Ireland. If you go to a foreign country you have to learn
their language and live according to their laws, because you're a guest. And if you
chose to stay permanently then even more you should learn the language and try
to integrate as much as possible into the culture and way of living of the host country.
Ireland32 2 | 172  
21 Jun 2009 /  #156
I DO NOT support the request of making Polish
the official language in Ireland

Think you mean the third official language.
Ironside 50 | 10,939  
21 Jun 2009 /  #157
what is your point?

His point is - Ireland for Irish!
And is fair as long as he can win an election as I said #93
Torq  
21 Jun 2009 /  #158
Think you mean the third official language.

Third, fourth, fifth - whatever. The idea is nonsense. There are two
official languages in Ireland - your own Irish Gaelic and English that
most of your people chose to speak over their native one. There's
no reason to change that in my opinion.

If you go to work in a foreign country, you should at least have a decency
to learn how to speak their language. Simple as that.
OP RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
21 Jun 2009 /  #159
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2009-11,007
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2008-42,554
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2007-79,816
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2006-93,787
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2006-64,731
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2005-27,295
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2004- 3,828
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2003- 2,649
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2002- 2,259
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2001- 570
Issued before 2001 - 9,564

That leaves us with 338,060 Poles issued with PPS numbers in Ireland. Now this does not take into account the number of Polish children in Ireland,stay at home partners, those working in the black market, parents or grandparents coming over to mind children, younger relatives etc etc.

Source
welfare.ie/EN/Topics/PPSN/Pages/ppsn_all_2008.aspx

My concern is about the number of Poles settling here. The definition of a plantation is as follows,An original settlement in a new country; a colony. That is what the Poles are doing in Ireland. The numbers speak for themselves.
Torq  
21 Jun 2009 /  #160
this does not take into account the number of Polish children in Ireland,stay at home partners, those working in the black market, parents or grandparents coming over to mind children, younger relatives etc etc.

This does also not take into account the people who got their PPS numbers but
are back home in Poland and do not plan to ever come back to Ireland (except
for holidays every now and again - like myself :)).

Anyway - if someone doesn't have a PPS number then he/she is not entitled to any
social benefits, so most of the people you mentioned usually apply for PPS number.
Ireland32 2 | 172  
21 Jun 2009 /  #161
If you go to work in a foreign country, you should at least have a decency
to learn how to speak their language. Simple as that.

I agree with you but for most people who have english as a first language....when we go to a foreign country......we expect the people to speak and understand english as the international language.

Do you think this is right? I personally think it is good manners to have a basic knowledge of the language of the host country to which we visit.
Nathan 18 | 1,363  
21 Jun 2009 /  #162
Just to make one thing clear - I DO NOT support the request of making Polish
the official language in Ireland. If you go to a foreign country you have to learn
their language and live according to their laws, because you're a guest. And if you
chose to stay permanently then even more you should learn the language and try
to integrate as much as possible into the culture and way of living of the host country.

This should be an unbreakable law in all countries of the world. If someone has a brain of a pea, unable to learn language of a country one moved into, or due to some disease or simple inability - just have politeness to sit quiet and munch your own language instead of imposing your letters on the nation you should be grateful to be visiting.
OP RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
21 Jun 2009 /  #163
Torq

I do not know. The numbers are all over the place. Children do not need PPS numbers, either do students. Your guess on the number of Poles here is as good as mine.

63,000? - From the census
170,000? -From the Polish embassy
200,000? -From the Minister of Integration
500,000? -From Polish media in Dublin.

It is a ridiculous situation.
Ireland32 2 | 172  
21 Jun 2009 /  #164
My concern is about the number of Poles settling here. The definition of a plantation is as follows,An original settlement in a new country; a colony. That is what the Poles are doing in Ireland.

So what of the Chinese, Pakistans, Indians etc. when do you anticipate they will have their colonies or planty thingys up and running.

Should we start having sexual relationships with our relatives in an effort to breed all these folk out.
Torq  
21 Jun 2009 /  #165
I personally think it is good manners to have a basic knowledge of the language of the host country to which we visit.

My sentiments exactly.

As for English being a modern lingua franca, it is a fact that no one today is questioning
and in European countries the overwhelming majority of educated people speak English
(at different levels of fluency, of course).
OP RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
21 Jun 2009 /  #166
Ireland32

If thats what you are into work away. I am happy enough with my Galway girl.

The Poles are our largest minority, the numbers are unsustainable.
Ireland32 2 | 172  
21 Jun 2009 /  #167
If thats what you are into work away. I am happy enough with my Galway girl.

So was the rugby team on Saturday night lol.....

Ah lighten up will you for god sake. There is a more realistic chance of a United Ireland (and thats a while away) than a Polish Plantation.
Torq  
21 Jun 2009 /  #168
It is a ridiculous situation.

Well, we finally have something we can agree on. We differ, however, on the ways
of solving that situation.

I would like to see all those people back in Poland, but I'm willing to wait as I am
confident that an overwhelming majority of them will eventually come back home.

You, on the other hand, would like to see them all "sent back", "deported" - whatever,
as soon as possible, which is legally and practically impossible.

You also seem to have a lot of contempt for my fellow compatriots who, according
to you, are not worthy to live among "the great Irish nation", "are not wanted or
needed in Ireland" blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada.

Obviously, I do not take kindly to that kind of attitude BUT, seeing as we have similar
ultimate goal - that is bringing the Poles back to Poland, I will give you a piece of advice:
change your rhetoric - do not show open contempt and hatred to Polish people and it will
make it much easier for you to finally reach your (our) goal.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
21 Jun 2009 /  #169
I think this is great.
This is a defining notion within us, it unifies us Irish and Polish, our culture, our history, US :)
I am serious, this edgit comes on and we all understand.
I am very glad to be on this forum with my fellow Irish people who I agree with.
So I thank you RevokeNice, you are the fool who strengthens our resolve.

I am proud of ever person who speaks up against this.

Ha, it is great to have it stirred, brilliant, get to the straight and narrow :)
OP RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
21 Jun 2009 /  #170
Ireland32

When the current wave upon wave of Polish immigration ends and the majority go home, then and only then, will I be happy with immigration from Eastern Europe.

It benefits nobody but big businesses, builders, and slum landlords. The Irish people pay the massive social costs while the rich make the profits. It cannot continue.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601  
21 Jun 2009 /  #171
I'll trade you 15 million of our ILLEGAL Mexicans (in the U.S.) for 150,000 Poles. I'll throw in 4 Macedonians.

Poles are pollinating in Ireland? What next, all of Britania? Maybe Greenland?

Any Poles who are scamming the system should be thrown out. As guests they should be cordial and even grateful to the host country. Poles who are contributing to a country's economy should be welcomed. Simple as that.
southern 75 | 7,096  
21 Jun 2009 /  #172
Poles are decent immigrants.Please send them to Greece to relieve us from Albos,pakis and scam rest.
Ireland32 2 | 172  
21 Jun 2009 /  #173
are not worthy to live among "the great Irish nation

Freedom, Justice, Peace & Equality. These are the foundations from which the Irish Republic was built. Equality for all the citizens of the Republic regardless of religion or culture but with one common goal. A Republic built by the people for the people.
OP RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
21 Jun 2009 /  #174
Ireland32

A Republic built by the people for the people.

Indeed, not for eastern europeans or 3rd worlders. Ireland for the Irish.

Zimmy

Many Mexicans are just returning to their ancestors land. Many could argue that they are indegenous, unlike yourself. ;)
Ireland32 2 | 172  
21 Jun 2009 /  #175
Ha, it is great to have it stirred, brilliant, get to the straight and narrow :)

You really are enjoying this Sean
Torq  
21 Jun 2009 /  #176
Freedom, Justice, Peace & Equality. These are the foundations from which the Irish Republic was built. Equality for all the citizens of the Republic regardless of religion or culture but with one common goal. A Republic built by the people for the people.

Sounds very sensible to me, but I bet there are some people in Ireland
who would debate the "regardless of religion or culture" bit.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
21 Jun 2009 /  #177
I love this, it shows what real Irish and real Polish understand.

This is great :)

Goodness, I have been going about this forum all wrong ha ha ha

But i will still continue to post my some what boring, posts. ha ha ha

Ah we need you RevokeNice, you are the repugnant vile that binds us together.
OP RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
21 Jun 2009 /  #178
Torq

Repatriate those who do not swear allegiance to the Irish state. Ireland for the Irish, not for London, Brussels, or Rome.

SeanBM

Are you drinking? Or having a breakdown?
Ireland32 2 | 172  
21 Jun 2009 /  #179
Indeed, not for eastern europeans or 3rd worlders. Ireland for the Irish.

Do not misquote me....An Irish Republic built by the people for the people........thankyou to the skills of many non Irish tradesmen who have help us on our way.....and for bringing us out of the 3rd world.
OP RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
21 Jun 2009 /  #180
Ireland32
Mass Immigration from eastern europe started in 2005. The Celtic Tiger started in 1996. To link the two is absurd. The Poles came because of the boom, they had no involvement in creating it.

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