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Who can keep right to speak its own language in UK


derek trotter 10 | 203  
21 Oct 2009 /  #1
good question :)
recently I was watching BBC program about Welsh and other one about history of black people in UK
I got an impression that everybody who have a right to live here can speak English and can keep native language as well. Welsh have a right to speak its own language cos they are from Britain, Indians can speak Punjabi, Pakistanis and Bangladeshi can communicate in theirs languages as well cos they are part of old good Commonwealth, Africans can keep their Nigerian languages cos they are ex slave country which English impose on them long time ago and so on.

But ... if we can not get one language alike lingua franca we wont be able to communicate or maybe that would stir a racial/culture conflicts. I am a bit confused.

Poles are completely off that English history stuff, we are the first offspring of EU new regulations with lesser incomes that's we migrate here. Some of us are a part of good old 2nd Polish Republic who fought during WW2, but not too many of them compare to a new wave after 2004.

Any thought on the subject?
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
21 Oct 2009 /  #2
Go to any UK Govt sponsored website.
You will get information available in Punjabi, Hindi etc etc

How many have indigenous Gaelic translations available ?
OP derek trotter 10 | 203  
21 Oct 2009 /  #3
szkotja2007
how many people from migrant or working class society speak Punjabi/Hindu or Gaelic?
How many Irish imigrants to UK speak Gaelic?. They know how to kick the ball and support Man Untd but Gaelic langauage? no way
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
21 Oct 2009 /  #4
Sorry Del- I dont get the point you are trying to make.
OP derek trotter 10 | 203  
21 Oct 2009 /  #5
to answer to your question ( not mine who can keep right... ), its fault of celtic people not to keep language running
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
21 Oct 2009 /  #6
Derek - thanks for clarifying the point you are trying to make but if you are going to be a smartarse, please try and do it in a language you are sure of.
Barney 14 | 1,472  
21 Oct 2009 /  #7
its fault of celtic people not to keep language running

not mine who can keep right...

That is a rash statement.
How about this for a stupid statement
Its polish peoples fault they lost Lwow and the east or allowed the Germans to occupy their country or the fascist 2nd Republic deserved to get its ass kicked.

I dont believe any of that
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266  
21 Oct 2009 /  #8
How many have indigenous Gaelic translations available ?

I saw a particuarly striking example of this in Edinburgh a few years back - information was available in loads of languages, even Polish (and this was pre-EU) - but not in Gaelic!

Thankfully, the Scottish Parliament as a whole seems to be pushing Gaelic much more heavily these days. Caledonian MacBrayne even have an equality policy in that everything published by them is bilingual, which is good :)

(wonder if you can access information in Great Britain in Ulster-Scots?)
Barney 14 | 1,472  
21 Oct 2009 /  #9
wonder if you can access information in Great Britain in Ulster-Scots?)

Yes

The Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure (DCAL) jointly sponsors the North/South Language Body along with the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs (DCRGA). The North/South Language Body was established on 2 December 1999 following the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement. It comprises Foras na Gaeilge, (Irish Language Agency) and Ulster-Scots Agency (Tha Boord o Ulstèr-Scotch). DCRGA funds 75% of the budget of Foras na Gaeilge and DCAL the remaining 25%. DCAL funds 75% of the budget of the Ulster-Scots Agency and DCRGA the remaining 25%.

From here dcalni.gov.uk/index/language-cultural-diversity-r08.htm
OP derek trotter 10 | 203  
21 Oct 2009 /  #10
Barney
fascist 2nd Republic
are you sure you know the subcjet to talk about it Barney?. Its like saying De Valera was a fascist, wasn't he?
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
21 Oct 2009 /  #11
And if we take NHS 24 as an example, we can see that Gaelic ( or other indiginous languages ) are omitted.

I suppose there is an argument that those that speak Gaelic etc should also speak English - the same argument could be applied to, for example, Punjabi.

Clearly there is a political agenda here.
Barney 14 | 1,472  
21 Oct 2009 /  #12
Derek
You forgot this bit

I dont believe any of that

Its a very touchy subject considering the history.
The language was lost to ensure the survival of the people

Something similar happened in Scotland Google the highland clearances
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
21 Oct 2009 /  #13
highland clearances

Highland potato famine too.

Gaelic ( Scots ) was also proscribed.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
21 Oct 2009 /  #14
Lets be honest, its not like anybody is stopping the Celtic nations speaking their own languages, the majority of people in their countries choose not to or do not know the language.

Nobody has said 'you cannot speak Welsh or Gaelic' the only people who can be blamed for the loss of these languages, or them been pushed into the background of culture are those who speak it.

Everybody has the right to speak their language in the UK (UK based languages) of that there is no doubt, however it is about whether or not they choose to do so.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
21 Oct 2009 /  #15
Everyone has a right to use a viable and used means of communication. For example, I'll be damned if sb says that Gaelic cannot be used. Dialect, as a form of language, should also be allowed to thrive.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
21 Oct 2009 /  #16
i don't think anybody would deny/ or does deny you the right to speak Gaelic wherever you like in the UK, it is just you are in a minority who do speak it.

I'm interested to see if anybody thinks that for some reason they are not allowed to speak their language, whether it be Gaelic or Welsh??
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
21 Oct 2009 /  #17
its not like anybody is stopping the Celtic nations speaking their own languages

Google "Sleat school 2006".

the majority of people in their countries choose not to or do not know the language.

Google "Gaelic, Ness, Isle of Lewis"

Nobody has said 'you cannot speak Welsh or Gaelic'

Gaelic was proscribed.

the only people who can be blamed for the loss of these languages, or them been pushed into the background of culture are those who speak it.

Re read this again and have a word with yourself.

Everybody has the right to speak their language in the UK

Not in schools or legal systems etc etc.

There is a political agenda against Gaelic dating back centuries.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
21 Oct 2009 /  #18
Not in schools or legal systems etc etc

schools where??

Google "Sleat school 2006"

i'm assuming this is a school that would not allow the teaching of one of the languages

read this again and have a word with yourself

I do not need a word with myself, if the language was that popular or people felt strongly enough about it, i'm sure it would be spoken in schools, on the street or wherever people wanted to speak it.

Maybe its a case of the 'minority' wanting something that the 'majority' don't give a toss about??

There is a political agenda against Gaelic dating back centuries

always so quick to pass the buck or blame somebody else
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
21 Oct 2009 /  #19
Have a Google, learn something about the topic and then come back and post something that demonstrates some knowledge about the subject.
Barney 14 | 1,472  
21 Oct 2009 /  #20
The language was proscribed in state schools within a decade of partition, and public signs in Irish were effectively banned under laws by the Parliament of Northern Ireland, which stated that only English could be used, although many teachers in Catholic schools ignored this and hid it from administrators. These were not formally lifted by the British government until the early 1990s

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language_in_Northern_Ireland

First BBC broadcast in Irish 1990's
Irish names were not heard, in fact anything Irish was banned from the airways.

This is ignoring all political aspects but that is for another forum.
OP derek trotter 10 | 203  
21 Oct 2009 /  #21
Oct 21, 09, 23:33 - Thread attached on merging:
Who sent this to off topic? Who can keep right to speak its own language in UK

are mods Brits?

good question :)
recently I was watching BBC program about Welsh and other one about history of black people in UK
I got an impression that everybody who have a right to live here can speak English and can keep native language as well. Welsh have a right to speak its own language cos they are from Britain, Indians can speak Punjabi, Pakistanis and Bangladeshi can communicate in theirs languages as well cos they are part of old good Commonwealth, Africans can keep their Nigerian languages cos they are ex slave country which English impose on them long time ago and so on.

But ... if we can not get one language alike lingua franca we wont be able to communicate or maybe that would stir a racial/culture conflicts. I am a bit confused.

Poles are completely off that English history stuff, we are the first offspring of EU new regulations with lesser incomes that's we migrate here. Some of us are a part of good old 2nd Polish Republic who fought during WW2, but not too many of them compare to a new wave after 2004.

Any thought on the subject?

ps
mods , give me a short explanation why this thread is not conected to polish case?
What I am trying to do is to point a problem , which Poles have to take for consideration when they live in UK and try to fit in

If this thread becomes about the Polish language in the UK it will be moved back, currently it's about every other language and not Polish.

good question :)
recently I was watching BBC program about Welsh and other one about history of black people in UK
I got an impression that everybody who have a right to live here can speak English and can keep native language as well. Welsh have a right to speak its own language cos they are from Britain, Indians can speak Punjabi, Pakistanis and Bangladeshi can communicate in theirs languages as well cos they are part of old good Commonwealth, Africans can keep their Nigerian languages cos they are ex slave country which English impose on them long time ago and so on.

But ... if we can not get one language alike lingua franca we wont be able to communicate or maybe that would stir a racial/culture conflicts. I am a bit confused.

Poles are completely off that English history stuff, we are the first offspring of EU new regulations with lesser incomes that's we migrate here. Some of us are a part of good old 2nd Polish Republic who fought during WW2, but not too many of them compare to a new wave after 2004.

Any thought on the subject?
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
21 Oct 2009 /  #22
Have a Google, learn something about the topic and then come back and post something that demonstrates some knowledge about the subject.

Don't get all high and mighty :) there is no need, there is a simple point to all this instead of you complaining about this and that, its this persons fault and we are denied etc etc. The fact of the matter is, if enough people cared it would be spoken freely all over Scotland or wherever else you would like to speak it/it be spoken.

The fact is though, not enough people do care to have an effect, if they did then these languages would be spoken all over their respected countries. In many, if not all parts of wales, welsh is taught as a language or the kids are at least given the choice.

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