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Immigrants trigger Irish rethink


Zeze 9 | 79  
7 Dec 2007 /  #1
The great and good of Ireland gathered for a conference this week to discuss how to deal with mass immigration - a relatively new phenomenon in a country more used to seeing its own people leave.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7130698.stm

now dont tell me oh too many poles in The British Isles are racist propaganda from the conservative media bla bla this is from the BBC for you poles may not mean anything but for the most great nation on earth BBC is respected

there is only one solution

SEND THE POLES BACK TO POLAND NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!
the_falkster 1 | 180  
7 Dec 2007 /  #2
okay...

so what do YOU actually express with the post of that link??
OP Zeze 9 | 79  
7 Dec 2007 /  #3
that soon will be real bad there also ,so poles should try to make better here becouse later will bad here in poland for the ones that left and worst in ireland for the ones that are there .
noimmigration  
7 Dec 2007 /  #4
Do you think would-be immigrants to Britain know how unwelcome they are? Perhaps if they were told beforehand that, by comparison, it seems like a land of milk & honey but, in reality, it is cold, wet, expensive and full of people who will despise them, then they might not come here in the first place. I know it makes me feel like leaving, and I'm British.
the_falkster 1 | 180  
7 Dec 2007 /  #5
I know it makes me feel like leaving, and I'm British

i can kind of understand that one. but please do not make the mistake to blame that on immigrants...

yes. britain is cold and wet, but at least you can earn money to pay for having it warm and dry.
many poles from london have lost their illusions after arriving and have gone back to poland.
those people who despise immigrants do forget that leaving your country is not such an easy step and many are sitting between a rock and a hard place. on one hand your home, family and personal history but no economical chance to make a living on the other hand economical prosperity but feeling "not home"...

when i came to england from berlin it took me about 1.5 years to sort myself out. on one had i wasn't feeling like completely "gone away" from berlin but on the other hand i haven't "arrived" yet in england... it wasn't made easy by my english colleagues neither. and being from germany should actually make the problem a little easier you would think (as long as you don't talk about football, of course!) as they are probably closer in a cultural aspect. but now imagine how some of the poles must feel when they come here...

it always is a tough one. the ones that complain the most are usually the ones that never made the experience to live away from your patria...

i recommend to everyone to try it. we would have a lot less trouble...
UKGUY 3 | 87  
7 Dec 2007 /  #6
I would be suprised if many Poles go back to Poland. Most Poles have told me they actually feel more at home in the UK than in Poland.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
7 Dec 2007 /  #7
Zeze

leave Poland as soon as it is possible, we dont need you here you stink ... is it ok ?

I've just written this statement because I know you live in Poland so just go home ... and send our citizens back here we need them here ... all in all we've started to open the border for chnese people to work here ... so bring us back Poles and take ... for example more Pakistan people ... :*

cheeres

... and ones again GO HOME to UK
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
7 Dec 2007 /  #8
GO HOME to UK

Is that all of us Brits living here , or just Ze

z

... and ones again GO HOME to UK

is that all of us Brits in Poland , or just Zeze.....?
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
7 Dec 2007 /  #9
is that all of us Brits in Poland , or just Zeze.....?

it is just about ZEE

...

all other people are really welcomed here :)

cheers

BTW I understand people like "noimmigration" he is brit he likes UK how it was several years ago ... but ZEZE she is here and complains ... so maybe it would be great idea to go home ...
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
7 Dec 2007 /  #10
I had a feeling you were not anti British...I must say i have never had a problem living here in Poland , and have been welcomed by everyone.....Mind you i do try to fit in with the way of life here and be part of the community.....I certainly don,t think Poland is perfect , but i like it , and don,t find that much to complain about....I like Poland the way it is , and don,t want it to get too much like the UK....Most of my Polish friends seem to think life would be pefect in Poland if it was like the UK , they are puzzled as to why an English person would want to live here....I think there are things that do need to change in Poland , but i hope i am dead before it gets the same as in the UK.....
rafik 18 | 589  
7 Dec 2007 /  #11
and ones again GO HOME to UK

he is a male from brazil not from the uk.and very HIGHLYeducated...
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
7 Dec 2007 /  #12
for the most great nation on earth

I think that was way back in history...we have gone a bit down hill since trafalgar....
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
7 Dec 2007 /  #13
for the most great nation on earth BBC is respected

- BBC is Polonophobic too. No reason any decent Brit should defend them. The media in Britain aren't the same as British people. And you, creep, should be kicked out from this forum for your hate propaganda against the Poles. But first of all - out from Poland.
Polanglik 11 | 303  
7 Dec 2007 /  #14
it is cold, wet, expensive and full of people who will despise them,

…cold , wet, expensive …..very true , but full of people who will despise them ….. I have found it to be quite the opposite :o)

Most ‘regular’ Brits actually admire the Poles who have come over and are working to make a better life for themselves ! They are not sponging off the system like some groups of immigrants, and some Brits who can’t be bothered to work because they say they’re better off claiming government hand-outs. If you really want to lay the blame on anyone, you should take a good look at this government and how they have systematically stripped Britain from all that was once great ! It was the government’s decision to allow mass migration, without having the proper strategies in place in order to cope.

UK is losing it’s identity, not because of the Poles and other eastern european immigrants, but because it is devaluing Christian belief’s and pandering to other minority religions. After all Britain is supposed to be first and foremost a Christian country – you’d hardly know it by the steps which certain groups take to remove any reference to Christianity or Christian celebrations, in the fear that these other minority groups may in some small way be offended ! For example, how can it be offensive to other religious groups for a newsreader on television to wear a cross on a chain around her neck ??

Since the influx of Poles, the churches in many parishes where these migrants have settled are again seeing full attendances …. surely this is something to be proud of and beneficial to the community :o)

I know it makes me feel like leaving, and I'm British.

Where would you go? How do you know you’d be welcome in the country of your choosing? I know that Brits who have moved over to Poland have been made to feel very welcome.

I will be another of those leaving these shores in the next year or two, and making Poland my new home :o)

This country (England) is in decline, due mainly to this atrocious government; they do not stand for family values and are happy to watch whatever was good about this island go down the pan. With the arrogant Gordon Brown as Prime Minister I can only see the acceleration in this decline process.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Dec 2007 /  #15
BBC is Polonophobic too

The BBC, which is supposed to be as non-biased as possible.

I understand people like "noimmigration" he is brit he likes UK how it was several years ago

But he probably wouldn't have liked it since before the 1950s. Actually the Protestant Palatine Germans and the French Hugenots and Flemish weavers and so on would have probably got him just as riled. Some people are never happy.

I know it makes me feel like leaving, and I'm British.

Go on then. I won't miss you.

edit: Isn't this supposed to be about the Republic of Ireland? So noimmigration, shut up about the U bloody K.
superjay - | 47  
7 Dec 2007 /  #16
supposed to be about the Republic of Ireland

that's right osiol. the report suggests that Ireland saw immigration as the solution to it's labour shortage without thinking through about social provisions required. just heard on the news that unemployment is up by 14,000 which means worst figures in Ireland for 4 years. the nightmare scenario is if/when the Irish economy starts to fall apart..there would be a serious problem providing social funding for health/education/welfare payments etc..when Irish & immigrants are competing against one another for work. Ireland is experiencing immigration for the 1st time ever & no one can really predict how they will re-act to non-nationals if times get hard. My nephew works in a help-centre for immigrants...he see's many people every day (african especially) but hardly ever Polish. Poles in Ireland live & work amongst the Irish, have a good command of English generally, some even try to learn Irish, LOL. they're not (proportionally speaking) criminal..there are no Polish "ghetto areas", Poles don't seek to live only in areas where everyone is Polish. But some people (in this forum)..who read a report where the word immigrant is used and try to quote the findings of the report replacing the word immigrant with the word POLISH. its time for other European countries to open labour markets..we're supposed to be partners now aren't we? I hope someone else born in Ireland (who doesn't have a Polish parent like me) posts a reply to this because i can't really speak for most Irish when it comes to this:-)
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Dec 2007 /  #17
Hasn't the Irish economy been doing well, in part, due to increased spending which has been caused by increased borrowing. In countries such as Germany, spending has been low and saving high. The banks have to put their money somewhere. That does suggest somewhere problems could lie in the future, and that goes without mentioning the relative change in value of the US dollar which may have an effect with Ireland's strategic position.
superjay - | 47  
7 Dec 2007 /  #18
In countries such as Germany, spending has been low and saving high

I'll take your word for that Osiol..you seem a particularly well-informed, eloquent & articulate donkey, if i might be so bold! Incidentally the Gaelic Irish for donkey is "asail" which is pronounced ossil. I'm no economist but the Irish budget (yesterday) spoke of borrowing/steering a steady course/sustainable growth/maintaining competitiveness/challenges ahead...v Gordon Brown! A story appeared here last week with regards to the slowdown in the housing market (& consequently the building trade)..there was some talk of Irish based Polish builders commuting between Ireland & London (monday - friday) because of the work opportunities the 2012 Olympics has brought??
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
7 Dec 2007 /  #19
The BBC, which is supposed to be as non-biased as possible

- The fact is it is biased. The British people, and especially the decent British people like yourself, aren't responsible for that, only the types that run the BBC. So don't feel bad about the fact that the BBC is biased ... Oh, if I were British I would not consider the BBC a 'national treasure,' or something of this sort. Just as I don't regard almost any media in Poland as Polish.

PS. God bless you for your righteousness, dear osiolek. It's you who are the voice of real Britain, not types of 'noimmigration's' ilk.
superjay - | 47  
7 Dec 2007 /  #20
Just as I don't regard almost any media in Poland as Polish

can you tell us more about this? I have found that having lived almost all my life in Ireland apart from 5 years in London that the media here & UK identify with a particular ideology...so you will get a different side to every story depending on where you read/heard/watched it? this is referred to in Ireland as brown envelopes, meaning undeclared donations & unwritten agreements.
nickknock - | 19  
14 Dec 2007 /  #21
I live in Ireland, I can say that Ireland should be thankfull that the poles want to come to this country.
The people here are nice enough, but many are fat, and I hate to say it ugly. Irish people fall into two camps, either really beautiful or really ugly, and I hate to say it, but the second group make up the far majority.

This country is over-priced, mostly ugly, and the only thing intresting is what the immigrants bring with them. Ireland has to be the most over rated country in the world. I think many poles will return when the economy of Poland gets better.
OP Zeze 9 | 79  
14 Dec 2007 /  #22
what to the POles bring oh i see cheap work force

becouse they do not bring cusine what is crap
dances what is crap
music what is carp
what does the poles bring fior god sake
lonely 2 | 97  
14 Dec 2007 /  #23
This country is over-priced

Fair comment, taxation is too high.

This country is... mostly ugly,

Bull sh*t

Irish people fall into two camps, either really beautiful or really ugly, and I hate to say it, but the second group make up the far majority.

Based on your individual score record on a Saturday night after a dozen vodkas???

the only thing intresting is what the immigrants bring with them.

What a load of crap!!

I think many poles will return when the economy of Poland gets better

As long as you go home again then everyone else is welcome to stay!
irishdean  
14 Dec 2007 /  #24
The poles bring alot to ireland. They taken the best thing in the world to me....they took the girl of my dreams over :) another thing people need to understand is that polish in northern ireland will also be a big help for peace.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
14 Dec 2007 /  #25
(& consequently the building trade)..there was some talk of Irish based Polish builders commuting between Ireland & London (monday - friday) because of the work opportunities the 2012 Olympics has brought??

Same here in the UK they keep building but they are not selling - commercial properties that are below the lovely new flats in M/c are not leasing...valuations are up because poeple want to remortgage but lenders are being very careful...catch 22 people thought they had equity so want the money but prices are (not dramatically) dropping so lenders are being cautious....the boom times are over...

I live in Ireland, I can say that Ireland should be thankfull that the poles want to come to this country.
The people here are nice enough, but many are fat, and I hate to say it ugly. Irish people fall into two camps, either really beautiful or really ugly, and I hate to say it, but the second group make up the far majority.
This country is over-priced, mostly ugly, and the only thing intresting is what the immigrants bring with them. Ireland has to be the most over rated country in the world. I think many poles will return when the economy of Poland gets better.

Why don't you fck off back to where you come from if you dont like it, Id say the Irish are not a bad looking nation and the country is beautiful...as for over priced, get a better fcking job I find Ireland to be pretty reasonable...
lonely 2 | 97  
14 Dec 2007 /  #26
Why don't you fck off back to where you come from if you dont like it, Id say the Irish

Nice one Shelly. I am irish and find these comments made by nick know totally offensive. However, if nick knock is retarded then i suppose we will have to pardon him lol

irishdean

Hey Dean, what a bollocks nick knock is eh??
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
14 Dec 2007 /  #27
images.amazon.com//images/P/B00004U5AJ.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg
Typical Irish women
lonely 2 | 97  
14 Dec 2007 /  #28
Typical Irish women

Are you a Paddy too? lol
Oscypek - | 107  
14 Dec 2007 /  #29
Typical Irish women

Looks good to me...! ;-)
Frank 23 | 1,183  
14 Dec 2007 /  #30
Typical Irish women

Any idea where I can meet these gorgeous girls Shelley?...lol

Certainly...not in Poland!

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