What's So Great About The UK?

Life used to be quite good in the U.K but life is not so good any more. Yes, you will be sidelined for foreigners. They are useful as they work hard for low wages and do not worry about holiday pay, sick pay, pensions, trade union membership ect. The Poles are predominately working class and the working class only think about today and not tomorrow. They fulfill a very useful purpose as they work for low wages and keep the general wage rates down. If you are English and do not want to work for three pounds an hour there is queue of poles who are willing to work for two pounds fifty an hour! Foreign students too are abundant, especially from countries like China where they have massive pools of money and pay high rates to U.K. universities. Quite simply, if you are British and working class-you have problems!

Yes I am bitter,

do you think our forefathers fought and died so that the world and his wife can come here and take advantage of all the things WE have paid for???

and before any lefties answer let me tell them those brave souls did NOT give their lives for this social experiment, they gave it for their Country-BRITAIN.

Like wise the Poles fought for their homeland from INVADERS.

You ask the old people to whom we owe so much, as long as the thought police aren't within earshot (lefties/liberals) they tell you they don't undertsand why they went through so much to see 50 years later it all being given away and the UK being handed to europe on a plate.

I worked in China for 4 year, I can now see that the eu is the european equivalent of the neo-communist state there.
The Chinese can now vote but all the candidates all belong to the same party anyway.
Sound familiar---THE EU.

How can you ever vote out something you NEVER voted in???

Very dangerous times ahead...
big brother---YOU BET.

The squadron that shot down most planes in the Battle of Britain was made up of Polish nationals and i am sincerely glad that they were allies.

The UK has always be innundated with immigrants from all over the world. From the vikings, gauls, romans, huns, normans, french, germans, many slaves, the irish, caribbeans. the list is endless and in most cases they have made this country what it is today.

Do not blame the Poles or any other nationality if you believe the UK is in crisis. That would be making a scrapegoat of any problems that the government has created.

The UK is 'great' compared to 2nd and 3rd world nations. British people may not think it is but that is because most have been pampered by: our health care system, unemployment benefits, education, democracy. I would like to see these naysayers live in a country such as Nigeria or the Dominican Republic and then come back and complain.

OK,I will answer this for you,its quite simple really,The poles who come here do not have guns and tanks with them,neither are they deporting a few million British citizins to concentration camps or to work as slave labour in other countries. The polish police do not post notices in london that they have just shot 300 british hostages as reprisal for a brit being rude to a Pole....shall I go on,or do you get the picteure yet?

The reason you recieved the answer "stupid" was Im afraid because there are simply no parrales with your analogies.

funnily enough it gets a bit tedious people ignoring and dismissing immigration issues just because they have a vested interest

I highly doubt that.

I have a feeling that what Britain is experiencing now is a sort of mass hysteria immigration, which will probably grow another bit, then peak and dwindle away. This has come about because the Communist Bloc countries were like pressure cookers for half a century – bubbling away, pushing on the sides but with nowhere to go. The outside of the pressure cooker to the people inside seemed paradise: idealized out of all proportion.

Once the lid was taken off they all poured out enjoying this new freedom and being on a par with all other Europeans, and who can blame them.

Seen from a certain perspective it is a huge compliment they are paying to the UK to choose this country – a huge compliment to British hospitality, and British ideals and way of life. I don’t think they’re coming to scrounge off the British – it’s genuine admiration. They want to be, and see and touch.

The bad side of such a headlong and unrestrained rush is that it can be overwhelming to the locals. Too much, too quickly, too frightening.

However it is unlikely that the UK will be damaged in the long run as all migratory waves broaden horizons, add new energy and loads of new initiative – they’re like a blood transfusion. They should also, ideally, spark off a new interest in local tradition not only in the newcomers but also in the locals who may have let it wane.

In the long run there will be benefits all round, though at the moment all this can seem too worrying.


If you are referring to the WWII invasions of Poland by the Germans and the Russians, and are drawing some parallel between those and the Polish immigration wave into the UK now, then you have shown a grotesque lack of familiarity with facts and surprisingly thorough absence of common sense.

There has been large numbers of people from the FSU in Poland since years.

As a response to what Starchild had said, I wouldn't call that a vested interest. Being in love with someone who has immigrated doesn't mean they have a need for continued immigration so they can keep falling in love again and again!


Just after I gave a whole list of answers.


If it's as bad here as so many people seem to be saying, why would they all want to stay when, according to some, they will be pushed aside by the next bunch of 'bloody foreigners'?

Nothing probably. If you mean why so many Poles went there, they are a few reasons... UK was one of only 3 coutries, which opened their labor market for people from new EU members immiediately after they they joined EU, quite many people in Poland know (at least basic) English, GDP/PLN exchange rate (used to be) strong and there were quite many Poles in the UK long before 2004, so many people were bringing their friends/relatives. That's all.

thanks for clearing that up...

very good answer to the original topic from osiol, by the way...


that might be as he apparently lost track of his topic...

britain has a lot to offer by the way, not only for poles, or workers as was mentioned somewhere before...

osiol has pointed many things out very nicely. and the most important thing surely is the right mindset and i am happy he did not point out the many bad things you can see here in everyday life as again that would not be the idea of that topic...

one thing regarding the eu slack off...
germany (amongst others) has put regulations in place to ensure that not all new members' workers can come to work there immediately. germany is member of the eu, if i remember rightly, so there are mechanisms to avoid mass immigration if it is seen as a problem by your government. the uk's government didn't see the problem.

is that a fault of the people that decided to try a better life and came to the uk?? i don't think so...

of course its not the fault of the people that come to the uk in search of a better life, and good luck to them, but unfortunately when people in the uk start to feel the result of mass immigration, which isnt their fault either, then the immigrants are the ones who are going to be looked at to blame...

Yep a valid point, even if it is made at my expense!

I wouldn't say I particularly ignore the immigration issue, although I suppose I do chose to 'not listen' carefully to what is happening in other parts of the country, for the reasons I mentioned before. Not right, I suppose, but easier for me than to deal with conflicting emotions over the whole thing.

But put aside how I feel about my friends and my guy, where I live we don't have a problem with immigrants. We're not swamped, we don't have troubles reported in the paper, etc and we are lucky to have a low unemployment rate. Plus all the Polish people I know work hard, pay their way and claim nothing in the way of benefits, etc. So again, its easier for me to see things in a more positive way than the author of this thread and others do.

which is as wrong, isn't it?

it can be difficult NOT to ignore it - i have spent most of my adult life living abroad and i am all for people having the opportunity to do the same in search of a better life... but, the bottom line is that the uk is not a big country, is already stretched and mass immigration (REGARDLESS OF NATIONALITY) in a short time frame is of course going to have an impact... its inevitable and denial of this is foolish


wrong or right, its inevitable

Unfortunately, also true.

don't get me wrong. i am not denying it. but i definitely do not tolerate if people with (apparently) limited intelligence, like there are some in this thread again, think blaming the foreigners is the solution.

once and for all. it is NOT a solution to the problem.

germany has gone (and in a way still is) through the same thing and unfortunately there are many people complaining and blaming in the same way as it seems to happen here now. the trouble is that with our history talking that way is perceived in a very ugly way by others. that the uk does not have such an extreme period in their history does not make people think twice before giving these comments as you hear them in every second thread.

but that does not make them necessarily right...


peoples behaviour is not inevitable.

i have the impression we are talking of two different things here.
yes. mass immigration can become a problem if not dealt with in a proper way.
no. blaming the immigrants is not the solution...

that was what i meant when i wrote

blaming the immirants is wrong - and solves nothing as you say - but that this happens is understandable and sadly inevitable. the people who do blame the immigrants in many instances have valid poinys to make but, arguably, make them in the wrong way. perhaps rather than straight off dismissing these people as racists we should take a moment to understand where they are coming from

maybe i am a bit over sensitive with my perceptions for the above reasons (i am from germany for those who don't know yet).

nevertheless i believe these people really have to work on their way of 'making a point' if they do not want to be potentially perceived as racists.

a constructive discussion makes sense. aggression rather doesn't...

Thanks so much for all your comments and replies, as I said before I'm genuinely interested in your answers and am not here to stir up trouble.

Yes I have issues with the way immigration seems to be going in this country, but I know that this is the fault of Government and I should probably be writing to my MP instead......although I doubt it would get much response.

I fully accept that it is the system that is at fault. Someone said that it only seems like there is loads of immigration as whole families mover over rather than just one family member. Whether it is part of their reason for coming or not, the immediate access to the services like the NHS does rub the British up the wrong way. We've been paying in a lot longer and resources are scarce enough as it is. I can't get an NHS prescription free as I have a job, so an immigrant mother who has lived here a few months and can get them free for her children does seem rather unfair. It also seems to work the other way around where a bloke working here can submit a claim for child benefit for his kids back home. Again, from "Day 1", this is a bit of a kick in the pants for the rest of us. Sure they can claim stuff in time (I would say five years worth of tax and NI first) but straight away makes a mockery of the system and makes the British feel like they're being treated like an ATM.

Someone also said that the current situation encourages us, the British, to renew our passion for our country. I think this is true. Never have I seen the Union Jack flag on so many cars and on so many TV adverts. In the past it has been seen as a symbol of the extreme right (the real f**k off home brigade) and has been associated with violent racism. Even I feel some national pride when I see the Union Jack now and I've not felt that in quite a while.

I don't have a problem with immigration, I just think it should be managed. I say this for the immigrants as much as anyone else as it can't be nice to be seen as a freeloader by people who don’t bother to find out anything about you first.

It seems that those on here who are Polish and live here have all had pretty positive experiences of the British people. That's great, but if something doesn't change soon and stronger rules put it place, I don't see that lasting.

- You seem to have issues only with the Poles in England. And the vast majority of them are not immigrants, only temporary workers. And they are relatively not numerous compared to other foreigners - mostly from Africa and Asia - living, breeding and working, or dole collecting, in England. Do you go to African or Asian websites and whine there about 'immgration' as you do in this forum? Why do you and those like you only call by the name, single out and pick on Poles? That's certainly discriminatory, and that's certainly hypocritical on your part to say you're not prejudiced.


- Watch what you're saying, because racism breeds racism. Be responsible for your national image. Keep your dirty comments to yourself. Behave yourself.

Truth hurts,

Deleting my posts shows you I was 'hitting a nerve'

Good bye forever numptys.

WHATS SO GREAT ABOUT THE UK?

I'll have a crack at this one:
1: most non racial country in the World
2. welcoming to all nations and nationalities
3. free health care for all (including immigrants)
4. British Pubs
5. well educated nation
6. drive on the right side of the road
7. fish n chips & roast dinners
8. invention of football, tennis, rugby and most international sports
9. the English language
10. created more jobs for Poles in 2005 than Poland did
11. inventing the antibiotic
12. Sherlock Holmes
13. Shakespeare
14. the industrial revolution
15. the Spitfire and the great concorde
16. defeating the Germans

Come on Puzzler give some great stats on Poland if you dare.

Your posts were removed as they had nothing to do with the thread and they havent been deleted just moved ... !

Wyspianska
...bet your pleased the evidence is gone.

it hasnt gone anywhere just been moved to another thread where it is relevant material .... called random chat !!!

Let me make myself clear before I leave
I DO NOT HATE POLES.

I JUST LOVE MY COUNTRY AND WANT WHATS BEST FOR MY KIDS.

...and sorry it turned a bit petty but that wasn't all my fault.

As good as Japan then.


Why is Dr. Watson not on this list?
Or even Arthur Conan Doyle? He was actually real!


I see the plane in your avatar. Who's flying it?


Some evidence still remains. Hmmm.

you said you were leaving 4 mins ago ... do widezenia!!

Some of you may be aware that I dont really enjoy living in Poland that much, I am at this very moment contemplating which country i will live in next. I left the UK for various reasons one of which was the ever groing number of immigrants flocking to our shores. I love my country but its not the same country I grew up in.

If I go back I would like to live in a place free of immigrants, does such a place exist in England anymore? Dont get me wrong I have nothing against Pakis, Blacks or Poles I would merely prefer to be surrounded by decent English speaking people and not have to experience my children coming home from school saying that children in his/her class dont speak English....is that to much to ask?