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5.5m Britons 'opt to live abroad'


ukpolska  
11 Dec 2006 /  #1
Almost one in 10 British citizens are living overseas, according to a study of people coming in and out of the UK.
Studies by the Institute for Public Policy Research, published on the BBC News website, indicates that at least 5.5m British-born people live abroad.

Figures suggest the rate of departure has been so great that population falls are only masked by immigration.

While Australia and Spain are the top locations, increasing numbers are heading to major Asian economies.

The research by the institute (IPPR) is the first significant attempt to put a figure on the number of British citizens who live overseas.

Story from BBC NEWS: news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/6210358.stm

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Looks like there is more room for you Polish:)
Stupidwelsh  
11 Dec 2006 /  #2
Looks like there is more room for you Polish

I think that isn’t so true, if the UK was only experiencing immigration from Polish nationals it might be, but we are experiencing immigration from many parts of the world. However our birth rate isn’t enough to maintain our population, so we need the immigration for our economy to continue to grow.

About the only thing the UK can do is restrict immigration from non- EU countries, but we have the issue of the commonwealth countries [like all the Old Empires have] which further confuses the matter.

About the only group we can exclude is those the right wing would describe as ‘illegal workers’, better known as asylum seekers in the majority of cases. There’s much public support for such ideas because this sector is seen as ‘sponging’ off the state, when in reality the terms of their asylum application doesn’t allow them to work legally- and there is of course the issue of actually catching illegal workers, it’s going to cost money to do so.

And none of this will necessarily help British nationals find well paid work- a good example is the call centre’ debate of recent years, unable to import sufficient quantities of low paid workers into the UK many companies just moved their call centres to places like India. That’s the issue that the UK Right Wing fail to address, even if we could close our borders tomorrow the continuing growth of the economy would just force the hand of many companies to set up overseas.

For the last 25 years living in the UK has been all about adapting to, and managing, change- the challenge it seems remains the same and will for the foreseeable future. To stand still is to be left behind in our increasingly Globalised world.

And as always, history favours the bold.
OP ukpolska  
11 Dec 2006 /  #3
Cannot argue with any of your points but I will say that I used to work for Lloyds of London and a few of my colleagues that I used to work with have gone to the States and more have gone to Asian countries. In my family, I live in Poland, my brother lives in The United Arab Emirates, and I know of many examples of people relocating to France and such. On the other hand, maybe dear old auntie Beeb is exaggerating a bit, although if you go through the figures on the links it does seem quiet convincing. :)
uk_ 8 | 85  
11 Dec 2006 /  #4
Almost one in 10 British citizens are living overseas, according to a study of people coming in and out of the UK.

Our land is over crowded cuz of east europian, asians & some african so we are relocating
In near future we will buy land in moon or mars ( 2029)
Stupidwelsh  
11 Dec 2006 /  #5
In near future we will buy land in moon or mars ( 2029)

As you appear to already live there, what’s it like?
ola123  
11 Dec 2006 /  #6
Our land is over crowded cuz of east europian, asians & some african so we are relocating
In near future we will buy land in moon or mars ( 2029)

Bye then :).

Oh and btw you are asian too :).
miranda  
11 Dec 2006 /  #7
In near future we will buy land in moon or mars ( 2029)

I 've got a ticket to the Moon................
rafik 18 | 589  
11 Dec 2006 /  #8
As you appear to already live there, what’s it like?

i think he is actually over the moon.have you found your first girlfriend yet,uk?
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
11 Dec 2006 /  #9
have you found your first girlfriend yet,uk?

Maybe his $$ flashing isn't working.
uk_ 8 | 85  
11 Dec 2006 /  #10
have you found your first girlfriend yet,uk?

I don't have any financial problems and i'm lucky enough to get FREE invitation from girls to posh restaurants. I'm really not looking for anyone. If i really wanted i could have many
Amathyst 19 | 2,700  
11 Dec 2006 /  #11
so we need the immigration for our economy to continue to grow.

Well, a lot of English women opt to have kids later since its all a matter of life style and not wanting to scronge off the state!!!! Oh and then theres the matter of finding someone normal....

Also I would say that whilst there are a lot of English that go to live abroard, I would say that a lot of them are elderly and retiring.

I don't have any financial problems and i'm lucky enough to get FREE invitation from girls to posh restaurants

Srounging off women, thats just terrible.
Hobbitual  
11 Dec 2006 /  #12
Quoting: uk_, Post #10
I don't have any financial problems and i'm lucky enough to get FREE invitation from girls to posh restaurants

Srounging off women, thats just terrible.

Lol :)

I'll have to make you an honorary southerner soon... :)
Amathyst 19 | 2,700  
11 Dec 2006 /  #13
easy tiger, Im sarky in my own right, come from a long line of sarcastic family...
Hobbitual  
11 Dec 2006 /  #14
OOoooh Touchy! Lol :)

Don't worry. it wasn't a proposal :) :)
rafik 18 | 589  
11 Dec 2006 /  #15
to posh restaurants

fish and chips in slough?
Hobbitual  
11 Dec 2006 /  #16
Lol! More like a kebab van in the p1ssing rain! :)
Amathyst 19 | 2,700  
11 Dec 2006 /  #17
fish and chips

got talking to a couple of Czech girls in my local in the summer and when they were going they said, we're going to sample your national disaster dish - F&S...thought that was so funny...

I have to say the food in Wroclaw was much nicer than in Krakow I found more restaurants that were actually Polish as a posed to Italian, Italian, Italian oh and an Italian, my friend wasn't too happy that I had fried cabbage the day we got the flight home though....I know too much info!
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,504  
11 Dec 2006 /  #18
friend wasn't too happy that I had fried cabbage the day we got the flight home though....

lol :)

I'll have to make you an honorary southerner soon...

not sure i like what you are implying, hobb...
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
11 Dec 2006 /  #19
Krakow I found more restaurants that were actually Polish as a posed to Italian, Italian, Italian oh and an Italian

Lot's of pizza places. Good pizza though.
Hobbitual  
11 Dec 2006 /  #20
I don't know... The legacies of the most northern reaches of the Roman empire
are still in evidence....
rafik 18 | 589  
12 Dec 2006 /  #21
your national disaster dish

i like it though.it is served in our cantine each friday.chips with vinegar+fish with a piece of lemon+mushy peas...mmm..:).yummy
uk_ 8 | 85  
12 Dec 2006 /  #22
fish and chips in slough?

Poles even think twice to buy a fish burger or french fries. Have you ever seen any poles eating in top restaurant? They are busy saving every penny or pence

I even heard two poles fighting only for a coke ( 50p) in a Mcdonalds. Thats soooooooooo funny
iwona 12 | 542  
12 Dec 2006 /  #23
have to say the food in Wroclaw was much nicer than in Krakow I found more restaurants that were actually Polish as a posed to Italian, Italian, Italian oh and an Italian,

I suppose because Krakow is much more touristic place. But there are nice restaurants out of centre, in small towns around.
dulciana - | 28  
12 Dec 2006 /  #24
Our land is over crowded cuz of east europian, asians & some african so we are relocating
In near future we will buy land in moon or mars ( 2029)

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As usual, Mr UK misses the point completely.

If you are going to make an assessment of demographics and the patterns of work and economic productivity; it pays to have something better than BNP handouts and a liberal dose of prejudice.

It is said that 2m Brits now live abroad, which means that the native resident population (whatever that means) has been falling year on year, but as a proportion of the population, old people now assume a far greater proprtion than they once did; largely thanks to improved health-care and life-expectancy. The chances are (and I do not know the answer) that many of 2m Brits abroad will be retired, and Spain is possibly the most popular choice for such people.

The fact that the birth-rate in the UK has fallen, means that there are less and less native Brits available to sustain the growing numbers of elderly people and the demands made by them on the health service. Once the "baby boom" generation reach retiring age, demand for resources will far exceed the available funding as a stable proportion of GDP.

THAT is the problem the UK (and other EU countries) face in the future, and the very reason why the pension age is now to be increased to 68 rather than 65.

Unfortunately, a once hugely productive manufacturing economy has, (like so many other countries), not become a service-industry and warehouse-economy society, and because of that, there is a considerable demand for relatively unskilled and cheap workers, which simply cannot be found from the ranks of native Brits capable of work, and who aren't druggies and criminals.

Migrant workers therefore plug the gap in the unskilled sector, and therefore beneift the overall economy to a considerable extent; making actual growth possible.

Higher up the food chain, there are definite skill shortages, and that is a much more complex situation; to some extent created by a lack of investment in training and generally falling educational standards, no matter what the officials tell us to the contrary.

Digressing slightly, when I was at school 40 years ago, we paid due respect and talked with hushed reverence about engineers, scientists and men of substance. Nowadays, school-children talk about pop-idols and dream of being celebrities!

No wonder there are skill shortages, because business has not encouraged the sort of in-job training which gives rise to skills; a classic example being truck-drivers, where there was a shortfall of 10,000 capable people 8 years ago!

No economy can thrive, adapt and grow, unless there are the right numbers of people, and the right balance between unskilled, part-skilled and skilled/professional workers.

The financial markets not only demand people of high-skill, but people who are multi-lingual; and we know how bad the Brits are at languages. As a consequence, we NEED French, and Italian, and Polish, Slovakian, Czech, German (etc etc) people to bring those skills to bear. The fact is, even the financial world has changed dramatically, and now much of the financial and technological work is increasingly done between the UK and Eurpe/Far East, and to a lesser extent, America.

It is precisely because the UK is very dynamic, and very business orientated, that many thousands of immigrant/migrant workers, at all skill levels, have been welcomed.

Like it or not, the glabilisation phenomenon is here to stay for the forseeable future, and if that be the case, then the UK (and any developed nation) desparately needs people who know the markets and have contacts there.

Project things forward 10 to 15 years, when money has been injected into Poland and Slovakia, and when car-production is perfectly placed in central-Europe (as an example), there will be numerous UK companies involved there, at all levels of business....financial, marketing, computing, distribution, logistics etc etc. If we in the UK do not have the right people, with the right skills, in the right places, then we fall behind our competitors.

Perhaps by that time, Russia will become a vital market/energy provider also, and then a new wave of very necessary migrants may come to the UK and other parts of Europe.

This is why I believe Europe to be vitally important in all aspects of our futures, because not only does it permit strategic and financial stability in a competitive world, but it will also create a pool of knowledge second to none, in spite of what the Americans would have us believe. The future may well see America drift towards South America as a source of potential partnership and economic growth; as is happening already.

As in all things, the economic map is being re-drawn and re-shaped, and for the moment, the UK is a huge player on the financial world-stage, with approximately one quarter of the world's money supply passing through the City of London every single day!!!!!

So when I see many young central and eastern Europeans slogging away doing fairly meanial jobs, I have nothing but respect for them. They have courage, determination, hope in the future and ambition.....they are the future. In the meantime, they are doing a lot for people in the UK, and helping to support the elderly and the NHS.

Now if anyone REALLY wants to take issue, perhaps they might turn their attention to the young who only want to import drugs and sell it on the streets; who never work in UK companies, but who miraculously afford to run Subaru Imprezas from the profits of the corner-shop or the take-away.

And if I come across a couple of young Poles fighting over a 50p Coke at MacDonalds, I'll buy them one each out of my own pocket!
Marzena 2 | 122  
25 Jul 2007 /  #25
Oh and then theres the matter of finding someone normal....

That's a BIG one! :)

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