WAŁĘSA DEBATE RAGES ON...

For weeks a national debate has raged in the Polish media over the role of
Lech Wałęsa as an alleged communist secret police informer in the 1970s..
Evidence, opinions and accusations, as well as counter-evidence, opposing
opinions and counter-accusations have piled up making it difficult to sort
things out and ascertain where the truth lies.
Composer Krzysztof Penderecki recently said on all-news channel TVN24:
"His indiscretion could easily be forgiven in view of what he has done for
Poland. His main mistake was denying it and destroying some of the
evidence."
Actress Anna Dymna said: "Just because someone had picked his nose in
nursery school doesn't mean he can't grow up to be a great person!"
Welsh historian Norman Davies believes destroying a legend on the basis of
incomplete evidence is harming Poland's international image.
Is Wałesa a hero, former SB spy or a victim of circumstances? Does that
really matter anymore? Should the turth be suppressed so as not to harm the legend of Wałęsa and Solidarity? 60% of the Poles surveyed said even if such an episode had occurred in Wałęsa's youth, it should be forgiven in view of his later accomplishments.

I think really if you look at the time when these papers were meant to be from, many "trouble makers" were discredited by the communist authorities, including falsifying documents.

Walesa changed his name...of course, this is a common practice among Poles, no?...maybe this change has cast some suspicion on him...also, his links with a Mr. George Soros may also raise questions...as far as his effectiveness as a leader, I'm sure there were many other leaders in Solidarnosz that might have been more capable, but Walesa got the publicity, and was put in the limelight.

You repeat this sick b....t about Jewish origin of Walesa because you really believe it or because it serves some ironic mockery purpose?

Walesa is not a Jew and even if he would be then our opinion about his actions shouldn't be affected by such fact. If I would know some competent and honest Jew here then I would certainly vote on him to prevent incompetent idiots in our parliament to be re-elected.

Actually, I got the information from Polish Forum...here:

https://polishforums.com/archives/2005-2009/history/jews-changed-jewish-surnames-6470/

Was the information incorrect?...I don't claim to know everything!...but, it makes sense, considering his rather clumsy style of dealing with real Polish concerns, and, as I said, he was working with Mr.Soros (Schwartz).


I would agree with you on this...We have Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader in the US, both Jewish, and I would vote for either man...why?...because they are reasonably competent and honest.

Dear Joe, are you really so credulous as to believe everything what is said on the Internet? If I say that Martians landed in Krakow, Poland, will you also happily spread this info to your family and friends in America? Wouldn`t you be afraid that it might be not true, and in result they will think low of you? :) :)

The problem is that such lists of true or alleged Jews in Polish political life are most commonly found on crazy nationalistic sites. We shouldn`t use them as reference if we want to stay serious.

Besides, I would never trust Babylon who considers Świat wg Kiepskich, a cheap sit-com about drunk lumpenproletaryat, the best Polish comedy ever. :) :) :)

I don't believe everything I read on the Internet...But, in addition to this post by Babylon, there was another post on Polish Forum basically corroborating this information; I believe the source used was birth & other personal records taken from administrative offices in different Polish cities and towns...Many, many Polish Jews have changed their names: Roman Polanski is an example; this isn't his real name...Some Poles have changed their names,too: Martha Stewart...and if you go down the rest of the list Babylon posted, I think it was for the most part accurate...why does this matter?...because the topic of controversy about Walesa was posted, and certainly, if he was not who he says he was, this would lead to questions...that's all.

I see. You are just trying to figure it out.

Yes, it is true that most people on that list have some Jewish origin. But they are true Poles, anyway. They live and work in Poland, speak Polish etc.

The case of Polański is different because he never denied his Jewish roots. The only exception is during the war - Polanski was hidden by a few Polish families from the Nazis, so he had to change his name.

As for Walesa, I have just read an article about him in the newest issue of the popular magazine Wprost. They reproduce the communist secret police personal data form on Wałęsa. Nationality - Polish. Citizenship - Polish. Denomination - Catholic.

He didn`t change his name. He was always Wałęsa.

When the issue becomes archive, I will post this picture.