What do you think about what the Kaczynskis say about Germans ?

yes , this is democracy

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I missed the good stuff :(

Have you noticed that the effects of our little party haven't worn off?
Did you see the party we had Patti?
I copied it and saved in Word, cause I knew it would get flushed, and I didn't want to lose it! :)

Oh yeah sis.. I see it and I only wish I had been there.. its funny how things
can change.. dont you think :))

It was a miracle.
And really, to his credit....it was Puzzler who started it!

He saw some good in Brat, and "voila" Peace Broke Out!
There they were.....Brat, Puzz and Crow.....like old friends! I will never forget that! :D

re: So no I didn't invent it all, i just saw it !

- But where, when? Can you give the name of the source, a quote? - The stuff by Butty, from the German media, seems to be a misrepresentation. Kaczynski has never said that today Germany is like Hitler's Germany.

So you provide evidence to me by quoting from Butty's post, from his quote from the German media? Do you think it's credible?

By the way, isn't she? I mean the drive to rule Europe, especially so-called Eastern Europe, practically single-handedly? (The French pol Le Pen once said, in an interview with the Jewish paper Haaretz, that 'Eastern Europe' would be Germany's hinterland. One wouldn't mind that, provided that the Germans didn't become abusive. Would they be able not to become abusive?) Even you, the French, the leading EU-enthusiasts, didn't accept the constitution treaty backed by the Germans. Why? Not out of fear it would give the Germans too much power?

By the way, I myself think that the unification of Europe is absolutely necessary for Europe's survival. I would like Germany to lead Europe, along with the French and the British. But are these countries wise enough to agree with each other as regards the division of political power? I wonder.

it was like that for me.. but I got called a troll attracter or something like that. lol

HEY PUZZLY! :D

Shopgirl, it was a great party. Not just me, all of us had fun. I loved the way you had fun. Well, if Butty didn't reciprocate, then my seeing good in him wouldn't matter.

By the way, in his e-mail to me (hm, why not here, on this forum, openly?) daffy the Irish moderator has threatened me I can be soon kicked out from this forum for good. He wrote he suspended me for the second time for 24 hours, on the grounds that somebody had complained against me. He didn't explain what the complaint was about; he just accepted it was justified. He suggested that one more complaint against me, and I'm out. Got me really scared, ooh! ;) How sad that there's such censorship on the Internet. And on the alleged Polish forum at that. But at least it isn't being done by a Polish person. So, Shopgirl, I'd like to keep in touch with you if I'm kicked out, and with other folks like Patti too. We'll have our partis elsewhere.

;)

re:By the way, isn't she?

- I meant: by the way, isn't today Germany a bit like Nazi Germany, as regards the drive to rule Europe almost single-handedly?

Please do! :) I changed my email address today so it would be faster for me to get stuff from forumers (hey, I just made a word!). I still want to I-Ching wit ya! :) Maybe we can all get in on Gmail and chat. I love Gmail.

I "get" you Puzz. I'm sorry that other folks don't.
Peace! :)

I'm homphoby because they don't play their games in their badrooms but go to the streets....

Nobody looked what they done in their beds before homophoby started when they started make some disgusting parady

I told you ! The Kaczynskis (or one of them) told it in radio, how do you want me to prove it, i've just read this fact on the Internet.

About the voting system, i said i think the one suggested by the Kaczynskis is better because it would give more power to little countries (even if Poland and Spain are not little countries). I agree with them, it's okay. I just don't like the way they say that it's the fault of the Germans if today Poland has less population. First it was the fault of the Nazis, then it's enough difficult for German people to accept this part of their history, and to finish, Angela Merkel has nothing to see with what happened 60 years ago.

I'm not protecting the Germans, or accusing the Poles of anything, i just want to know how they react when the Kaczynskis have these kind of speeches in front of all Europe. know that Poland suffers a lot of the Second WW (as many other countries), but it's time to pass over it, and try to build a strong and unified Europe as you told me. )

That's all for now !

About homophoby, i can't understand what's the problem ! If it really disgusts you, so why don't you stop looking at them. Let them live their lifes, and you'll see, yours will be better too ;) Be modern, bud !

So If somebody **** or do crap in front of your house or some guy run around naked then you should just don't look ? If not then how different is that ?

There are guys walking down your street naked ?

I just said that if seeing homos disturbs you, why do you look them...

re: I just don't like the way they say that it's the fault of the Germans if today Poland has less population.

- Where did 'they' say it? Quote them. By the way, isn't it largely because of the Germans that we have less population than we should have had?

re: First it was the fault of the Nazis,

- What do you mean by 'the Nazis'? Do you say that there was or is a nation called 'Nazis'? And their country is perhaps called Nazistan? :) Have you heard Hitler's speeches? Does he talk in them about the great Nazistan or another entity? Does he express in them his care for 'the Nazis' or somebody else?

re: then it's enough difficult for German people to accept this part of their history,

- How moving that you care so much for the tender feelings of the German people. Of course, you don't seem to care a jot for the feelings of such nonentities like us Poles. So that's what they teach you in France? If yes, why do you say the French are allegedly oh so friendly towards us?

re: and to finish, Angela Merkel has nothing to see with what happened 60 years ago

- How do you know it? And why do you state it here?

By the way, my conversation withy you tires me off. You make some statements, but can't back them with facts. You must be quite young and not very well educated? Am I right?

:)

keep me on the guest list.... :-)

Shawn, absolutely. ;)

I believe the Kaczynskis would be pleased that the fine polish brewers have been able to convert a CDN Beer swiller into a fan of Polski Piwo. There are other good German Beers, but my heart is with the Polish brewers.

2 chillin in the lodówka.

re: Be modern, bud !

- Another negative French stereotype of the Poles ('not modern')?

Why do you imply he's not modern?

I think the fact that Merkel was born in 1954 gives her quite a good alibi for involvement in the war

Stay calm Puzzler, and i'm well-educated if you want to know ;)

I don't know if you read it but i'm half Polish, my mother is Polish, so I don't want to attack Poland or saying wrong things about it.

I didn't say that the Poles were not modern !! It's just the fact of being untolerant that is not modern.
Then, all i said about the Kaczynskis were back up but another one :

Polish Prime Minister: 'Something Very Negative' Happening in Germany

In a radio interview, Poland's prime minister issues an ominous warning about Berlin, implying that contemprorary Germany is comparable to the time that saw Adolf Hitler rise to power.

URL

"...The elfin-featured prime minister apparently feels "something very negative" is happening in Germany. In a Tuesday radio interview quoted by AFP, Kacyzinski added: "Like an era which has already passed, the large majority of Europeans didn't have the courage to talk about it, it is the same today."..."

Why would I invent it all, I have other things to do. It's just what they said, you can read articles maybe on Onet.pl or any other Polish or foreign websites, they said that. Maybe not both of us, I think it was Jaroslaw.

Do you think that all the Germans were Nazis ? There were a lot of them who were against, but if they told it, they were killed. People in Germany at this time (as in other countries) had great difficulty to have a normal life after crises. Hitler, first, was a kind of "the man of the situation", because he knew how to boost the economy, so people was hoping something good would happen.

Sure there were pro-Nazis, but not all the Germans were Nazis.

I also told you I'm not protecting the Germans, but just criticizing what the Kaczynskis sometimes say, that's all. I didn't insult the Poles (because i'm part Polish, it would have no sense to insult them/us).

Most is right : as Angela Merkel was born 10 years after the end of the war, how can you think she was involved in the Nazis "crazyness" ??

Most of today's Germans regret what happened in the past, and the other hand, i understand that it's a complicated situation for the Poles, they suffered a lot, but they'd like to have an unified Europe : one common point with the Germans.

LoL

I'm going to eat, i guess you're not going to say me "smacznego"... ;)

Hi
nice stereotype

If u turn the hell up side down u will find "made in germany" stamped on the bottom :)

Del Boy are you in Delaware????

re: stay calm Puzzler

- Do you assume I'm not calm? Why?

re: I don't know if you read it but i'm half Polish, my mother is Polish, so I don't want to attack Poland or saying wrong things about it.

- Well, but so far you've been attacking the Kaczynskis - i.e. politicians widely supported in Poland - rather aggressively, and it's not clear for what exactly. For their alleged Germanophobia? If yes, you haven't given any evidence of this alleged Germanophobia.

re: I didn't say that the Poles were not modern !! It's just the fact of being untolerant that is not modern.

- You mean the Poles are modern, but they are not modern as regards their being 'untolerant' (sic)? What would you mean by our bering 'untolerant'?

re: Polish Prime Minister: 'Something Very Negative' Happening in Germany

- So you again are repeating - just copying - Butty the German's quotes? Is it those quotes from which you derived your convictions, expressed in this thread, about the Kaczynskis? If you are allegedly so well educated, you ought to be able to question what others say (and what you yourself assume). Hence don't you have any misgivings about the news you have quoted? What did Kaczynski actually say, and what did the author of the quote (a German hack?) add to Kaczynski's statement?

re: Do you think that all the Germans were Nazis ?

- Do you mean whether I think that all the Germans belonged to the Nazi party - NSDAP? If so, then no, I don't think all of them belonged to the NSDAP. But historical evidence shows that the vast majority of the Germans - practically all of them - backed Hitler and the NSDAP.

re: there were a lot of them who were against, but if they told it, they were killed

- That's what the more recent propaganda says. But historical facts seem to contradict the propaganda. See e.g. Hans Fallada's 'Jeder stirbt für sich allein' (published in 1947, the year of author's death); it's a novel, but one that seems to have some historical value. It seems to show that those who opposed Hitler in so-called Nazi Germany were very few and utterly estranged from the predominantly pro-Hitler population.

re: I'm not protecting the Germans, but just criticizing what the Kaczynskis sometimes say

- Hm, as I understand, you don't like it that one of the Kaczynskis said that something very negative is taking place in Germany. You seem to think that in saying it Kaczynski was anti-German. Why would you think so? What if he had a point?

re: as Angela Merkel was born 10 years after the end of the war, how can you think she was involved in the Nazis "crazyness" ??

- Did I ever say she was involved in the Nazi 'crazyness' (sic)? On the other hand, I didn't say she wasn't. Does the fact of one's being born 10 years after WWII make one automatically excluded from involvement e.g. in Hitler worship? I know at least a few dozens of cases of folks born after Hitler's death who are fanatic Hitler worshippers. Even on this forum, the feller you quote from - calling himself Butwurst Boy - seems to be born long after WWII, and he seems to worship Hitler nonetheless. :)

By the way, such Polonophobes as the one calling himself 'most' should not be any authority to you, if, as you seem to suggest, you wish Poland good.

And qui, bon appetite. What are you having?
:)

LoL okay so I see there will never be an end to this topic with us ;)

I ate something i don't know what it's called, but it's the kind of quick preparation food, but it was quite good. I'm waiting for next week, I will be in Poland and i will be able to eat all the pierogi i want ! I love them ! LoL ;)

I worked in a farm this morning and i think i should go to bed now, because i don't want to get up at noon tomorrow ! ;)

Dobra noc !

PS : the Poles are modern ;) i was just talking about horunPoland and his homophobia.

Polson, as for so-called 'homophobia' in Poland. - In Poland, many people object to the gay 'parades,' to the propagation of homosexuality in schools, and to the attempts to 'convert' to one's 'sexual orientation.' Many Poles don't care who sleeps with whom, as long as it is not advertised noisily. They regard - perhaps rightly? - the noisy advertising as abhorrent and shameless.

Now why wouldn't this attitude be modern?

You seem to suggest that you're a tolerant guy. Are you, really? - You seem to have no tolerance for the aforementioned attitude.

You're a lucky guy - you can go to Poland soon and have all the Polish food you want. Have a good time there.

;)

Many people object to that in the US as well. I understand why there are parades (awareness, visiblity), but even a good friend of mine who is gay, feels that the parades generally don't help towards acceptance. It tends to do the opposite.

I think showing that gay people are more like straight folks (have good jobs, families, ect) would improve tolerance.

re: even a good friend of mine who is gay, feels that the parades generally don't help towards acceptance. It tends to do the opposite

- An excellent point, Shopgirl. I've met homosexual folks in Poland who think exactly as your friend does.

I wonder how would both heterosexual and homosexual people react if some heterosexual people carried out noisy and explicit 'hetero pride parades'?
:)
PS. Shopgirl, hello! Good day, sunshine! Thanks for all your warm words in previous posts. Of course, I'll contact you through your new e-mail re I-Ching and more. I hope you contact me as well. And I know that you understand me on this forum. Thanks for that. You're the sweetest of sweeties. :)

Hetero pride parade? I like that! Lets do it!

puzzler is an angel!!!!! and you to ola

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