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Social mobility in Poland

southern 75 | 7,096  
16 Nov 2008 /  #1
What is really going on after the communist times?Is there already an established class in Poland trying to protect its interests?
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
16 Nov 2008 /  #2
Hmm... There are no social classes as such, however I'm sure there are some groups of interests that try to establish their position in the country.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446  
27 Nov 2008 /  #3
The Kaczyński brothers were always after the "układy" (coteries, cliques, informal ties) that had wormed themselve sinto free Poland since 1989, when the ruling ciommies struck a dela with the leftists of the Solidarity movement. Ex-commiers including secret polciemen establioshed niches for thersmelves in the privatisation programmes, on bank and company boards, set up detective and security agencies and made extesnive use of their commie-era contacts. The Gazeta Wyborcza crowd, many of whom had long records of collabroations with the former regime, took a hand washes hand approach and opposed all attempts at de-communisation, vetting and sweeping the regime's hangers-on out. To them, Jaruzelski, who had waged war on his own nation, was a "man of honour" and Kukliński (a Polish army officer who had provided NATO with sensitive Soviet-bloc plans) was dubbed a traitor. Members of such układy don't admit it, nor does that class have any formal name.

A competlely different matter was that the Kaczyńskis' execution of that programme was clumsy and ineffective, eventually resulting in their party being swept form office in snap 2007 elections.
daystrom - | 8  
28 Nov 2008 /  #4
Is there already an established class in Poland trying to protect its interests?

hahaha, there was before 1989, hence Solidarność.

Communism, capitalism, whatever, there is always a pecking order, always some group maintaining the established order over everybody else. It is what happens when you add people to noble concepts and ideas.

[an edit] I would like to add that capitalism is probably a bit more honest about the way things go down. Under that system, you basically have a bunch of rich dudes scheming about how to better their own position motivated by pursuing self-interest. Keeping others down is just a largely unintended bi-product of that pursuit of self-interst. With communism you actually had the established order sitting about plotting to keep the masses down, it was one of their primary aims. :)

peace out


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