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Is Poland ready for the swine fever stuff?


BLS  65 | 188  
4 May 2009 /  #31
No vaccine is 100% effective, especially if the intended target mutates into something deadlier. As I understand it, once a virus evolves, vaccines for the original strain are more or less useless against the new mutation.

Evidently, the Spanish flu virus mutated to become much more virulent over a short period of time in 1918, so any vaccine that could have been produced at the onset of that bug would have had very little effect stemming the eventual pandemic that killed millions.
PolskaDoll  27 | 1591  
4 May 2009 /  #32
in 1918, the Spanish flu pandemic started out exactly in this way: a few mild cases in the spring...then fizzling out...then reemerging much stronger and deadlier the following fall.

Yes, and nowadays we have much more knowledge on the spread of viruses and the evolving they do and the speed that they do it at. I did read an article on that scenario you describe above and if I can find it on line I'll post it. Nowadays we expect viruses to evolve, it's no longer a surprise.

No vaccine is 100% effective,

Correct. Not always to do with the virus though. It can depend on the individual person. If they take a drug for something else it can interact with the vaccine and render it weaker.

H1N1 is spreading fast enough, almost 1000 cases world-wide and that will increase but the good news is the death rate is low with still only 26 people have died of it, all in Mexico apart from 1.
bolek  6 | 330  
4 May 2009 /  #34
Read your history, folks - in 1918

Thanks, if the newspapers don't leave me depressed there is always somebody else who will, here goes another year living in suspense and anxiety waiting for the swine virus to surface with a vengeance.
Lir  
4 May 2009 /  #35
here goes another year living in suspense and anxiety waiting for the swine virus to surface with a vengeance.

Better to be alerted to it than live in ignorance ?

The World Health Organisation <WHO> says we should guard against complacency.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8032094.stm

"The WHO said authorities should remain on alert.
The current "round of activity" might have peaked, WHO official Gregory Hartl said, but that did not mean it was over.
"There is a high possibility that this virus will come back, especially in colder periods," he said. "
bolek  6 | 330  
4 May 2009 /  #36
"There is a high possibility that this virus will come back, especially in colder periods," he said. "

Thanks Lir for the good news, I think I will retire and live amongst the fairies.
PolskaDoll  27 | 1591  
5 May 2009 /  #37
Bolek, I wouldn't worry. WHO is expecting it to return after a "down" period so there is preparation under way. Thousands die yearly around the world from the ordinary flu, or compliations related to, so it's not a new thing. (Why isn't ordinary flu considered a pandemic each year?)

Happily, we deal with things better now than in 1918, we have better communications between countries (at least regarding these sorts of things) so because WHO would expect a future outbreak they will act straight away when then first new cases are reported. They'll test the new strain and will know straight away what strain they are dealing with an can act upon it. If it actually does happen.

Currently, although the H1N1 strain is moving faster, people are no more sicker with it. No worse than having a bad stomach and high temp for a day sort of thing. Many people put themselves through that after too many glasses of wine or beer. ;)
Lir  
5 May 2009 /  #38
You're welcome Bolek :)

They're not my words but the words from a representative of the World Health Organisation. I quoted from the article in the link.

I'm happy to get my info from the W.H.O and C.D.C.
I prefer to be kept up to date about the situation whatever
is happening.

:)
Ironside  50 | 12387  
5 May 2009 /  #39
Well, we have swines with fever all the time - politicians!
pawian  221 | 25379  
5 May 2009 /  #40
I can see the news is talking about it, and I've learned enough Polish to see which countries are being referred to, but can't see what (if any) plans are in place. I'm diabetic and also asthmatic so in the UK I would be considered at risk and a priority for a vaccine if needed. How goes that here?

I don`t care. Polish vodka is able to eliminate all kinds of viruses.
PolskaDoll  27 | 1591  
5 May 2009 /  #41
Well, we have swines with fever all the time - politicians!

Exactly! ;) And no one calls that a pandemic yet they really are everywhere. ;)

I don`t care. Polish vodka is able to eliminate all kinds of viruses.

Now that I DO believe! ;)
nunczka  8 | 457  
6 May 2009 /  #42
Poland on Wednesday confirmed its first case of swine flu after tests confirmed the A(H1N1) virus in a 58-year-old woman recently arrived from the United States, Poland's health minister said.
Wroclaw Boy  
6 May 2009 /  #43
Swine feaver is gone, done, berried, yesterdays news.

Whats next zombie flu? were all gonna fcuking die, blah blah.
wildrover  98 | 4430  
6 May 2009 /  #44
In southern Poland the first cases of mushroom flu have been confirmed..one old lady , and a 37 year old man are the first victims....
Crow  154 | 9340  
7 May 2009 /  #45
Is Poland ready for the swine fever stuff?

i don`t know, you tell me. How could i know? i am from Serbia. I do`t even know is it Serbia ready for swine stuff?

i only hope that those mujas on Kosovo and in Bosnia aren`t immune on swine stuff
teabag  9 | 19  
14 Jun 2009 /  #46
You are bang on about the vaccines!
Although under the Texas law, for example, it is right to refuse any shots i.e. exempt your children from school vaccinations, many schools insist on a long list of injections, including 2ndary MMR's, Hepatitis B (statistically very low in US) etc.. If you show them your authorized affidavits (required for obtaining exemption), school heads will laugh at you and ask you take your kids out. This is quite scary and unlike in the UK where parents are prepared to take on the schools on such issues, here in US it’s each to his own.

Furthermore, I heard recently that some 90% of all vaccines distributed by governments are sourced from China, and are subject to practically no quality tests on delivery. I wonder if anyone knows where they get theirs from in Poland. I was vaccinated in Poland some 40 years ago against what we were told was “Ospa”. My US doctor having seeing the mark I have said that this was most definitely a TB jab.

Makes you wonder how little is known by the medical staff anywhere about what they are actually injecting children and adults with.
OP BevK  11 | 248  
16 Jun 2009 /  #47
In southern Poland the first cases of mushroom flu have been confirmed..one old lady , and a 37 year old man are the first victims....

LMFAO
Sokrates  8 | 3335  
18 Jun 2009 /  #48
so in the UK I would be considered at risk and a priority for a vaccine if needed. How goes that here?

You're so very very dead.
niejestemcapita  2 | 561  
18 Jun 2009 /  #49
Makes you wonder how little is known by the medical staff anywhere about what they are actually injecting children and adults with.

interesting...my daughter just had secondary MMR and was SICK AS A DOG, throwing up bile which burnt her throat and has put her off eating since....She only had it cos the practice nurse more or less twisted my arm as I was asking for tetanus.......

Talking of swine fever in Poland though...I hope this official pandemic status doesn't mean there's a possibility of a travel ban..we have our tickets to Poland booked for July...
mazzastaffordsh  2 | 68  
25 Jun 2009 /  #50
Mixed up messages here in the UK. We are told not to go to the doctor's surgery but to phone the NHS Direct number. Well I am confused if we cannot go to the doctor's to find out if we may or may not have swine flu or got to A & E at the hospital how can someone on the end of a telphone tell us if we have swine flu? I never believe a government that says we can deal with a pandemic, the British government will tell us anything but when the time comes.............that is a different matter.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
25 Jun 2009 /  #51
Nauczyciel said it perfectly in post 18. Poland is ready, that's for sure.
OP BevK  11 | 248  
26 Jun 2009 /  #52
You're so very very dead.

Why thank you Sokrates! LMAO
joepilsudski  26 | 1387  
10 Aug 2009 /  #54
Now, swine flu...Why do I post this picture?...Because 'Krakus' which says 'Product of Poland' is owned by Smithfield Global, the company whose pig farms in Mexico were the likely origin point of the so called epidemic in NA...Smithfield mass breeds pigs for slaughter, and, in Mexico, dumped intestines and pig feces in huge open 'lagoons' that became havens for every kind of bacteria and virus...The first infections in Mexico were from areas close to Smithfields pig factories...By the way, I always enjoyed Krakus Ham in the past, but now that it is owned by this global 'giant' I don't think I will indulge in it...Hopefully, environmental and agricultural conditions are better in Poland, where Krakus is supposedly produced...Also, 'Swine Flu' is an excuse for vaccine makers to make a buck selling us a tainted and possibly very dangerous product.
mvefa  5 | 591  
11 Aug 2009 /  #55
oinky oinky flu is not in Poland yet? huh
mvefa  5 | 591  
11 Aug 2009 /  #57
really? i always thought it was oinky oinky flu....

(duh)
fiberflinger  - | 11  
13 Aug 2009 /  #58
You should watch this fellows take on it.
mvefa  5 | 591  
13 Aug 2009 /  #59
Is Poland ready for the swine fever stuff?

Yeah it is so bring it on!

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