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scorpio 20 | 188  
2 May 2008 /  #1
From Ynet News in Israel: "Bad manners at Warsaw Ghetto" by Attila Somfalvi...here is a quote from the piece:

"It's been a while since I felt both so proud and so embarrassed to be Israeli at the same time, as I felt during my visit to Poland."

"It is difficult to describe the huge Polish investment in the event. It is also difficult to describe the reverence shown by the hundreds of non-Israeli invitees to the speeches delivered by the two presidents, the singing of the El Maleh Rachamim memorial prayer, the Israeli national anthem, the Hebrew prayers, and the entire ceremony. It appeared that everyone was doing above and beyond in order to honor the memory of the Warsaw Ghetto heroes. "

The article was very fair, and honest. If Polish visitors to Israel had acted in such a disrespecful manner, they would have been immediately dubbed "anti-semitic" and the event would have made front headlines in the "New York Times" and "CBS World News". Why the double standards?
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
2 May 2008 /  #2
here is an extract from another article in the jerusalem post.

the article is about "Israeli and Polish children filling the air above Warsaw with kites on Tuesday in memory of famed and martyred educator Janusz Korczak, who fervently believed that every child should have a kite"

"The kite represented for Korczak the right of every child to freedom and happiness. The joint kite flying of Israeli and Polish children testifies to the victory of hope and love for one's fellow man over the regime of fear and evil."

celinski 31 | 1,258  
2 May 2008 /  #3
Why the double standards?

What bother me the most was the responses below the artical. I could't believe the anti-Polish sentiment, some out right blaming Poland for Jewish deaths.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
3 May 2008 /  #4
To deny so-called Polish 'anti-semitism' is only playing into the hands of those who make the accusation...'anti-semitism' is an open ended smear term used by certain Jewish elements for political purposes...what an intelligent Pole should do is to explain the reason and context of this 'anti-semitism'...many or most Jews considered themselves Jews first, and had no special loyalty to the Polish nation...and certain business and 'religious' practices of the Jews are, of course, diametrically opposed to Christian principles...these points should always be elaborated on when discussing the background of 'anti-semitism'...you will be attacked for bringing certain issues to light, but take heart, as it is better to seek the truth than to go along with a lie.
Harry  
3 May 2008 /  #5
could't believe the anti-Polish sentiment, some out right blaming Poland for Jewish deaths.

Yes. The Jews who died in Jedwabne, despite the Polish Institute of National Remembrance report in 2002 saying 340 Jews were killed by Poles, were actually all killed by Germans. And the Jews who died in the Kielce pogrom were only killed by Poles because Soviet troops were pointing guns at the Poles and telling them that they'd be shot if they didn't kill Jews.

what an intelligent Pole should do is to explain the reason and context of this 'anti-semitism'...

You mean should say that they are Jews and so deserve to die. That's the normal Polish reasoning.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
5 May 2008 /  #6
You mean should say that they are Jews and so deserve to die. That's the normal Polish reasoning.

I have never heard a person of Polish descent say this in my life...and I am being serious now...I am a third-generation Polish-American...my parents had Jewish friends, who were working class, just like us...I have and have had many Jewish friends, both male and female...ethnic hatred is a reality in some minds, but it does nothing for humanity...I have much criticism toward Zionist Jews, because of their actions and attitudes and seeming contempt for the feelings of other nations...but this should not be confused with ethnic hatred...I have heavy criticisms of Poles, too.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
5 May 2008 /  #7
That's the normal Polish reasoning.

No. Actually it is a reasoning used extensively by anglo0saxons, and it is used every day in countless courtrooms. Tough childhood, abusive parents, bad neighborhood etc.

What would the reason for your own ignorance and malice be?
Easy_Terran 3 | 312  
5 May 2008 /  #8
Yes. The Jews who died in Jedwabne, despite the Polish Institute of National Remembrance report in 2002 saying 340 Jews were killed by Poles, were actually all killed by Germans.

Dude, WTF is wrong with you? Were you born yesterday?!
Poles are openly blamed for holokaust, for being worse than Nazis, for being willing collaborators of the Nazis (mind, word GERMAN is never used), for killing eleventy gozillion of Jews, for all pogroms in history of mankind - and this BS is presented as 'it is widely known' by my-daddy-told-me scholars.

Jedwabne?
Sure, Poles were there. So were the bullets from GERMAN machine gun(s).
Harry  
6 May 2008 /  #9
Jedwabne?
Sure, Poles were there. So were the bullets from GERMAN machine gun(s).

It is a matter of historical record that the vast majority of the victims at Jedwabne died from being locked in a burning barn.

Read the Institute of National Remembrance report from 2002. It shows that there were at least 40 Poles who took an active part in the pogrom. It also found that there were 8 German policemen but no German soldiers. That the Poles were there and took an active part is beyond dispute. The role the Germans played, if any, is still not settled.

This is not my opinion: it is the opinion of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance.

Best for you that we don't talk about the Wąsosz pogrom, eh?
Easy_Terran 3 | 312  
6 May 2008 /  #10
Best for you that we don't talk about the Wąsosz pogrom, eh?

Oh, let's talk.
Don't forget to bring the subject of Koniuchy and Naliboki, the Bielski's goons, the Jewish betrayal in the very town OF JEDWABNE and Eastern part of Poland.

Shall we?
southern 75 | 7,096  
6 May 2008 /  #11
there were 8 German policemen but no German soldiers.

Did the policemen have Wehrmacht boots?
As it is widely known Gestapo had no right to kill Jews.Only Wehrmacht was entitled to this special honour.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
6 May 2008 /  #12
The fact is that people in Poland don't want to go as American Poles.

We are going to give them some money for properties they are going to give us some weapons and investments. They started to talk about Polish victims and smashing majority of poles who had nothing against Jews. Polish gov started to talk about some tensions before the war and we are going to support Israel in EU all in all it costs nothing and we don't have Arab lobby in Poland. Israel can dream about Polish soldiers in Iran ... it will not happen. More and more Jews talk that Poles were good people, more and more Poles don't care about it.

and this way is better for Poland, in confrontation we don't have chance to re-writte all books and change all stereotypes we can rather refresh them.

I see change in some history articles in world press ...

you should rather get used to such pictures

I see instructions of behaviour haven't been send to USA.;) It is good that you defend our history becuase a lot of facts are not well known ... especialy in USA. and the fact is that our country have been sold in Yalta and our history have been sold after Yalta ...
celinski 31 | 1,258  
6 May 2008 /  #13
It is good that you defend our history becuase a lot of facts are not well known ... especialy in USA.

Your history is our history with a differant ending.
Harry  
6 May 2008 /  #14
As it is widely known Gestapo had no right to kill Jews.Only Wehrmacht was entitled to this special honour.

Put down the crack pipe and step away. Einsatzgruppen were almost all Waffen-SS and Ordnungspolizei. They were led by Gestapo, and SD officers. They operated behind the Wehrmacht.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
30 Jan 2009 /  #15
No one has the right to kill Jews, southern. Murder is murder, it's not a right.
JulietEcho 3 | 100  
30 Jan 2009 /  #16
Why the double standards?

Nothing new, the new breed of jew that grows up believing that Goy is a Goy... and they have their USA colony to support in case anyone stands up. Meanwhile, majority of European mass media is corrupted by zionists that strictly control who gets attention and why... When an average European is finally going to wake up?!
Wahldo  
30 Jan 2009 /  #17
When an average European is finally going to wake up?!

European? How about the American? We're about to be flat busted by these fools. Look at Bernie Madoff. Steals 50 billion and goes home to his townhouse every night. A goy would have been drawn and quartered.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
30 Jan 2009 /  #18
We are all having the wool pulled over our eyes. The Ruskies are no exception. Russia is weak in the face of Israeli opposition. Russia is ripe for the pickings, waiting to be bought and sold. Faceless cowards against Israel.

The powers of persuasion of Zionists know no end :(
Prince 15 | 590  
30 Jan 2009 /  #19
Zionists (even if they were acing as scots on this forum think) are not Polish problem :)
JulietEcho 3 | 100  
30 Jan 2009 /  #20
European? How about the American? We're about to be flat busted by these fools. Look at Bernie Madoff. Steals 50 billion and goes home to his townhouse every night. A goy would have been drawn and quartered.

- As my favorite British columinst, Jeremy Clarkson once wrote: "...American middle class is as complicated as fire wood...".
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
30 Jan 2009 /  #21
Don't be so ignorant and insincere, Prince. Zionists don't exist? You are a fool if you believe that they don't.

Not a Polish problem? Oh, really? Well, many Zionists supported the missile shield program which will anger Russia. They even threatened to nuke Poland. Although I think it's an idle threat, you think you can just pass of the threat of nukes???
Wahldo  
30 Jan 2009 /  #22
British columinst, Jeremy Clarkson once wrote: "...American middle class is as complicated as fire wood...".

Well at least we have a middle class, his house is "rather" chilly.
Prince 15 | 590  
30 Jan 2009 /  #23
Don't be so ignorant and insincere, Prince. Zionists don't exist? You are a fool if you believe that they don't.

Even If they existed in way you present them on PF ... they wouldn't be Polish problem. :)

Somalian pirates exist and are not Polish problem.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
30 Jan 2009 /  #24
Of course not, you'd happily just let America deal with them. The Zionists have plans to change the world. Poland has been sandwiched and shuffled around like a piece of trash before, it can happen again.
Prince 15 | 590  
30 Jan 2009 /  #25
he Zionists have plans to change the world.

:)

It seems I have a lot to do with them :)

I'd love to change to world


Seanus 15 | 19,706  
30 Jan 2009 /  #26
I'm sure you would, Prince.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
31 Jan 2009 /  #27
Maybe Prince is a Zionist?! o_O
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
31 Jan 2009 /  #28
He probably doesn't know what a Zionist is. His library consists of one book ;) ;)
DtLebowski 1 | 26  
31 Jan 2009 /  #29
Tomorrow my bus was five minutes late, I blame that on THE ZIONISTS!
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
31 Jan 2009 /  #30
I'd blame it on the LSD if I were you ;)

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