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Peepops 3 | 45  
26 Mar 2009 /  #1
Poland population growth in 2009 is expected to be -0.047%. What's the deal with that?
Shawn_H  
26 Mar 2009 /  #2
Perhaps Polish statisticians expect more people to either leave Poland or die than will be born in or emigrate to Poland?
OP Peepops 3 | 45  
26 Mar 2009 /  #3
But everybody on here wants to move there it seems like. LOL
lukimp80 1 | 74  
26 Mar 2009 /  #4
Not me. Maybe at one time I might have, but after seeing the Idiot young Polish genaration, all that I can say is NO THANKS
OP Peepops 3 | 45  
26 Mar 2009 /  #5
Why are they dumb? What do they do wrong?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448  
27 Mar 2009 /  #6
Too little indigenous creativity and innovation and too much mindless Anglo-aping!
Filios1 8 | 1,336  
27 Mar 2009 /  #7
We need more incentives for families which have more than 2 kids!
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
27 Mar 2009 /  #8
I still say breeding isn't the answer to the problems....The populations HAVE to shrink,
as the Earth can't nourish all the people which are already there!
Filios1 8 | 1,336  
27 Mar 2009 /  #9
The populations HAVE to shrink,

This will naturally take place in the areas which need it the most...

Europe does not need it though.. it just needs to stay stable.
Harry  
27 Mar 2009 /  #10
We need more incentives for families which have more than 2 kids!

Alternatively we could just allow more immigration. It's not as if there is a shortage of people who want to live in Poland.
Wroclaw Boy  
27 Mar 2009 /  #11
I still say breeding isn't the answer to the problems....The populations HAVE to shrink,
as the Earth can't nourish all the people which are already there!

Yep i have a solution to the problem. We need to erradicated around 80% of the Earths population.
Filios1 8 | 1,336  
27 Mar 2009 /  #12
Alternatively we could just allow more immigration

Mass immigration of arabs, blacks, asians?
No thank you. I see what is happening in France and elsewhere. Last thing Poland needs is thousands more unemployed, seeking welfare cheques and trying to marry Polish women.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
27 Mar 2009 /  #13
Alternatively we could just allow more immigration.

Population exchange isn't the answer!

Only when the third world learns to take care of themselves and their children...once they care for their fewer children instead of mass breeding in the hope one or two of the bunch will survive only then they can get started to change their sorry holes so that they won't any longer want to invade into other peoples countries...

So the problems lie in the countries where the non-european immigrants come from and have to be solved there too.
Letting them "steam it off" and invite them just helps those who want to keep those countries down...

Sorry but I'm against to much non-european immigration into Europe!
Filios1 8 | 1,336  
27 Mar 2009 /  #14
Sorry but I'm against to much non-european immigration into Europe!

I'm with you there.
Eurasian 2 | 24  
27 Mar 2009 /  #15
According to websites it is because polish people are emigrating and not making enough of babies!
OP Peepops 3 | 45  
27 Mar 2009 /  #16
Population:
38,482,919 (July 2009 est.)
Age structure:
0-14 years: 15% (male 2,964,995/female 2,802,278)
15-64 years: 71.6% (male 13,713,078/female 13,845,251)
65 years and over: 13.4% (male 1,966,406/female 3,190,911) (2009 est.)
Median age:
total: 37.9 years
male: 36.1 years
female: 39.7 years (2008 est.)
Population growth rate:
-0.047% (2009 est.)
Birth rate:
10.01 births/1,000 population (2008 est.)
Death rate:
9.99 deaths/1,000 population (2008 est.)
Net migration rate:
-0.47 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2009 est.)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
28 Mar 2009 /  #17
I still say breeding isn't the answer to the problems....The populations HAVE to shrink,
as the Earth can't nourish all the people which are already there!

BB Germany is not shrinking its dying out.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
28 Mar 2009 /  #18
Cut that crap Sokrates!

Shrinking populations will be a sign of a high class society in the bigger frame of things the same way as higher class families have usually fewer kids than underclass families and they are also much better cared for.

That's the way for all societies (and families) when they want to develop positively...
Our environment and our resources has limits!

That has nothing to do with "dying out"!

PS: Before a 80+ Mill people dies out we will see the end of a 38 Mill people, believe me!
Filios1 8 | 1,336  
28 Mar 2009 /  #19
Bratwurst Boy

Before a 80+ Mill people dies out we will see the end of a 38 Mill people, believe me!

We'll all be dead be then, anyway ;)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
28 Mar 2009 /  #21
Cut that crap Sokrates!

Statistics show between 12 and 18 milion decrease for Germany by 2060.

PS: Before a 80+ Mill people dies out we will see the end of a 38 Mill people, believe me!

Yes and no, reasons for Polish decrease are due to economic shortages whereas reasons for German decrease are due to overall wealth, couples in Germany no longer wish to burden themselves with kids, you guys have no family structure anymore.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
28 Mar 2009 /  #22
Statistics show between 12 and 18 milion decrease for Germany by 2060.

Still 60 Million! :)

Yes and no, reasons for Polish decrease are due to economic shortages whereas reasons for German decrease are due to overall wealth, couples in Germany no longer wish to burden themselves with kids, you guys have no family structure anymore.

"Economic shortages" aren't a reason for fewer kids Socrates or the third world would had died out already...
The contrary is true...the more sophisticated and developed a country becomes the more family planning takes over and the more people decide for one, two or no kids at all instead of blind breeding.

The more Poland catches up to the standards of the west the more you will see the same developments too..
And I see nothing bad with it when the societies adapt to it.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
28 Mar 2009 /  #23
"Economic shortages" aren't a reason for fewer kids Socrates or the third world would had died out already...

The difference between third world and Poland is that Poland is a developing country with first world aka old Europe culture and expectations which means apart from deep province people will not fuck like rabbits.

the more sophisticated and developed a country becomes the more family planning takes over and the more people decides for one, two or no kids at all instead of blind breeding.

You're using a western template towards a central Europe country, we've got much in common but in truth we're a different world, western development patterns dont really hold much truth here.

The more Poland catches up to the standards of the west the more you will see the same developments too..
And I see nothing bad with it when the societies adapt to it.

In Poland there is a strong "polish-mother" sentiment, women actually enjoy having and caring for family, economy is the thing that impairs certain millenia old drives, in Germany its indeed evolution but in Poland the same thing is more of holding back.

You cant expect a country that follows completely different social rules to develop the same way as the rest of Old Europe.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
28 Mar 2009 /  #24
In Poland there is a strong "polish-mother" sentiment, women actually enjoy having and caring for family, economy is the thing that impairs certain millenia old drives, in Germany its indeed evolution but in Poland the same thing is more of holding back.

It's a society phenomenon Socrates...Poland is still backward and religious dominated.
That will change!
Give women the same possibilities (which they will undoubtly get the more Poland develops), take away the "churchly" stigmata of family planning and the more women will decide for themselves.

The more options families get the more will take them, believe me.

You cant expect a country that follows completely different social rules to develop the same way as the rest of Old Europe.

Poland and the Poles are no different to other Europeans! :)
Just look into the social histories of other european countries...they were in the same
situation as you are and they changed with time and development.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
28 Mar 2009 /  #25
It's a society phenomenon Socrates...Poland is still backward and religious dominated.

I'm talking about women across the board, not some backwater uneducated geese but educated women from big cities.

Give women the same possibilities (which they will undoubtly get the more Poland develops), take away the "churchly" stigmata of family planning and the more women will decide for themselves.
The more options families get the more will take them, believe me.

The interesting bit is that it has nothing to do with churchly encouragement, women here draw genuine satisfaction from family, like i said we're two different worlds.

Poland and the Poles are no different to other Europeans! :)

All Europeans are different, why do you think countries go through history differently? Because the people that live in them are different perhaps?

Just look into the social histories of other european countries...they were in the same
situation as you are and they changed with time and development.

I dare say not a single European country was in the same situation, we're stuck with first world culture and third world economy due to our quirky history, not to mention we're Slavs, heavily westernized but Slavs and there are differences to ethnicities.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
28 Mar 2009 /  #26
The interesting bit is that it has nothing to do with churchly encouragement, women here draw genuine satisfaction from family, like i said we're two different worlds.

Well, most of our women do to! :)

Women are not so different when they have the same options and chances, Sokrates.
You will see...
George8600 10 | 637  
1 Apr 2009 /  #27
According to the U.N. statistics the Polish population isn't decreasing or increasing. I think this is perfect. Poland's popualtion seems to be at a good rate now. Besides Poland has few mortalities in birth. With good hospitals (compared to other places), good birth ethics (common for one, two or mostly three children, and not more like in other areas), and more responsiblities with sex (they don't tend to have as many accidents).
OP Peepops 3 | 45  
1 Apr 2009 /  #28
I got that info from the CIA's website. It's pretty kool just hit a country and it'll tell u all about it.
George8600 10 | 637  
1 Apr 2009 /  #29
I use the U.N. Much more accurate, they update their stuff every year, CIA can become outdated for some sources.
jwojcie 2 | 763  
1 Apr 2009 /  #30
In Poland there is a strong "polish-mother" sentiment, women actually enjoy having and caring for family...
I'm talking about women across the board, not some backwater uneducated geese but educated women from big cities.

Sokrates I have quite a contrary experience. Your statement is an invalid extrapolation :-) Well, everybody do that sometimes :-)

Anyway growth rate is a problem. Imigration is not an answer, at least not in the western europe style. There is quite not funny joke in Poland that in 2100 Poland will border on China... So, maybe in 2150 China will border on (T)Gurkey... Poland population growth problems is nothing in comparision with Ukraine or Russia...

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