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How to form political party with Pan Slavic orrientation in Poland?


Crow 146 | 9,106  
13 May 2008 /  #1
How to form political party with Pan Slavic orrientation in Poland? or cell of some other political party of such orrientation formed in other country?

So, how? I`m serious

Any suggestion
osiol 55 | 3,922  
13 May 2008 /  #2
Poles and Russians, Czechs and Slovaks, Serbs and Croats... they all love eachother dearly already, so I can't see it being much of a problem.
OP Crow 146 | 9,106  
13 May 2008 /  #3
i said, i`m serious. That wasn`t serious comment, Pan Osiol.

Some people like when Slavs are divided and they always remind us on our divisions. They doing so for their own foreign interests. Slavs has differences among themselves and that`s all right but, I don`t like when Slavs are divided because of antagonisms. I don`t want that Slavs extinct and, i would fight for my Slavic kind. Slavs are worth
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,424  
13 May 2008 /  #4
I don`t want that Slavs extinct

Then look for a woman and breed! :)

PS: Whatcha saying to the serbian vote Crow?
PPS: Everybody is divided, not just Slavs...
osiol 55 | 3,922  
13 May 2008 /  #5
That wasn`t serious comment

I might want a serious answer to a question like 'How can I breed rabbits with foxes?'
Slavs are divided. Okay, like in your own beloved country. A more peaceful example would be what was once Czechoslovakia. Did they decide that they might as well stay unified (you know: 'All Slavs together' kind of thing)?

What can you do to persuade the overwhelming majority of people in the so-called Slavic countries that there should be just one country for them (governed from Moscow, I presume). What can you do?

Dream on.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
13 May 2008 /  #6
governed from Moscow, I presume). What can you do?

Bite your toung donkey. Now if Poland was the one it was governing it might just work. Russia has a ways to go to build trust.
Piorun - | 658  
13 May 2008 /  #7
Such a thing already exists in Poland; it’s called Polski Komitet Słowiański. Who do you think organized the manifestations about Kosovo in Poland? I think it’s a branch of PWN Polska Wspólnota Narodowa if I’m not mistaken and the leader of this organization is Bolesław Tejkowski. They’ve been active in Pan Slavic movement since 98. Will they be successful? I seriously doubt it since they are anti EU, anti American and anti well everything.
Jukrek - | 58  
13 May 2008 /  #8
I think it’s a branch of PWN Polska Wspólnota Narodowa if I’m not mistaken and the leader of this organization is Bolesław Tejkowski.

First time I read about them.

How to form political party with Pan Slavic orrientation in Poland? or cell of some other political party of such orrientation formed in other country?

You have very hard job. :)
Piorun - | 658  
13 May 2008 /  #9
First time I read about them.

Well if people of Tejkowski caliber are involved in such a movement it’s bound to fail. His reputation is ruined and he has been painted as Neo Nazi. Even if he was not what the media portrays him as, he can’t shake off his past. He is a communist and always was, and his views are extreme left not extreme right like his recent run-ins with the law and media. Osiol is right if it was up to him such a movement would be governed from Moscow.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
13 May 2008 /  #10
I'd still like to mention the non-Slavic people who would be subsumed or enclaved by such an idea. Or those who would be under threat from such a large-scale enterprise.

Start with the bigger ones - Hungary, Romania.

Then there are those that Russia may see as its own - Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. How about Georgia, maybe Azerbaijan, Armenia.

Then there are the many and various ethnicities that exist within the Russian Federation, many of them precariously. There are too many to name, although before Russian conquest, naming them would have been an even trickier business. Let's just say all of the Finno-Ugrian peoples (with the possible exception of Finland), Tatars and other Turkic peoples, various Mongolian, Tungusic and others in the far east.

How would an ethnically delineated Empire view all these people? Because Russia has been anything but benign in this regard when taking in the historical perspective. Okay, so the Slavic Empire is going to be good too all of her non-Slavic citizens, right?

So now you have to persuade Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Slovenia, blah blah blah... that the EU is no good - forget about the EU money, the free market ideals and so on and look to your good old pals in Russia.

The pig of peace will fly from Moscow to visit Slavia's happy European neighbours: the Republic of Germanic Peoples with its capital in... London! The Roman Empire too!
Jukrek - | 58  
13 May 2008 /  #11
Well if people of Tejkowski caliber are involved in such a movement it’s bound to fail. His reputation is ruined and he has been painted as Neo Nazi. Even if he was not what the media portrays him as, he can’t shake off his past. He is a communist and always was, and his views are extreme left not extreme right like his recent run-ins with the law and media

IMO there is noticable cooperation between Czechs, Poles, Ukrainans and Slovaks. We can do it without creating new political party. It is aliance but in some cases we simple cooperate. It is progress. I'd not call it slavic unity, we have some common interests.
Piorun - | 658  
13 May 2008 /  #12
It is progress. I'd not call it slavic unity, we have some common interests.

There is more to it than just common interest. For such a movement to gain a foothold or even to generate enough interest in it, so the majority of population in each country would even seriously consider it, one would have to offer something.

When the communism collapsed and the Warsaw Pact was dissolved EU had that extra something. NATO for protection, Common Market for economic growth etc.

I know that Craws vision of Pan Slavic Union is more or less based on EU model and not the Osiols vision of the Old Warsaw Pact, but you have to admit his vision of Russian expansion is not farfetched. I for one can see it happening.

In order to keep this dream alive (even though it has no chance at this time), people involved in this movement should screen their members more carefully. Enthusiasm alone is not enough, but the reputation is. By doing this at least you start your utopian dream right.

As far as cooperation and backing up one another, it’s also a good start. This builds trust and respect that is much needed in the Slavic world.
plk123 8 | 4,149  
13 May 2008 /  #13
Dream on.

rofl. yes.

I know that Craws vision of Pan Slavic Union is more or less based on EU model and not the Osiols vision of the Old Warsaw Pact, but you have to admit his vision of Russian expansion is not farfetched. I for one can see it happening.

i think the russian pressure is on some of it's former republics.

and i'm sure but i bet Crow thinks the pan-slava should be governed from Belgrade. lol

personally, i think the idea of pan-slava was an awesome idea after ww1 or ww2 but now i don't think it's going to fly. EU is it but now with a "new" prez of russia PL should play around with working on bettering relations.. i am not for blind leaps here at all but maybe a warm up in relations. i think PL should make the first move.
Piorun - | 658  
13 May 2008 /  #14
i bet Crow thinks the pan-slava should be governed from Belgrade.

I don’t think so. He’s just over enthusiastic sometimes and what he wants to say just does not come out right.

i think the idea of pan-slava was an awesome idea after ww1

I concur with that. Now Slavic states would have to be self sufficient and prosperous to even entertain such a notion.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,424  
13 May 2008 /  #15
The pig of peace will fly from Moscow to visit Slavia's happy European neighbours: the Republic of Germanic Peoples with its capital in... London!

Hey! What about Berlin??? It's much more central!
Piorun - | 658  
13 May 2008 /  #16
It might be but it would be in Slavic hands by then.
OP Crow 146 | 9,106  
14 May 2008 /  #17
it’s called Polski Komitet Słowiański. Who do you think organized the manifestations about Kosovo in Poland? I think it’s a branch of PWN Polska Wspólnota Narodowa if I’m not mistaken and the leader of this organization is Bolesław Tejkowski.

Well if people of Tejkowski caliber are involved in such a movement it’s bound to fail. His reputation is ruined and he has been painted as Neo Nazi. Even if he was not what the media portrays him as, he can’t shake off his past. He is a communist and always was, and his views are extreme left not extreme right like his recent run-ins with the law and media. Osiol is right if it was up to him such a movement would be governed from Moscow.

when i sow word `Komitet`, first what crossed my mind was that it is atavism of some `Communist party - Komitet` which seek to revive Stalin methods in politics, something Stalin nostalgic

So this kind of approach won`t pass, nor name based on `Komitet` for Pan Slavic political party or Movement, nor some Commi nostalgia. It can`t pass in Poland, in Serbia, in any Slavic country.

If such a movement represent most loud deffender of Serbians (speaking about Kosovo issue) in front of Polish public, no wonder that Poles don`t have real picture about nature of Serbian resistance to EU pressure.

and, for sure, Moscow`s domination isn`t desirable, nor any kind of domination. I speak about cooperation between Slavs, on the fields where different Slavic countries and nations has similar or same interests
Piorun - | 658  
14 May 2008 /  #18
first what crossed my mind was that it is atavism of some `Communist party - Komitet`

That’s exactly what it is; it’s despotism on ex-communists part to return to power or at least to legitimize their party. By using this movement they want their voice to resonate with average Joe. This is an example of their manifest issued January 2008.

Anti missile defense system will be equipped with nuclear warheads to destroy Russia and conventional warheads to destroy Russian missile silos, which otherwise would be used to defend Russia against American aggression.

Let us defend our good Polish Russian relationship! Let us defend Poland, Czech Republic and Russia and the whole of Slavia, Europe and the World.

This is their view of missile defense system. On other issues they are more likely to use "Slavia" "Slavic Union" "Slavic Brotherhood" in every sentence. Roman Mulicz (Serbian secretary general of the Serbsko Slavic movement) was invited by them to make a speech about Kosovo And Metohia.

I have no idea who this character is and frankly I don’t care. His title speaks for itself. Serbs that want to be heard on issues such as Kosovo and find an audience should not associate themselves with such organizations.

With today’s technology and ready access to media such as internet, it’s very easy to make your case to average Joe on whatever issue you feel passionate about. People still remember old communist days and you don’t want to be guilty by association.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
14 May 2008 /  #19
PAN SLAVISM

Instead of a political party, how about a foundation or organization called 'Center for Pan-Slavic Culture & Co-Operation'?...information and awareness is necessary before political action can be effective.
Perkovic - | 8  
17 May 2008 /  #20
Greetings to all!

Very interesting comments for me on which I passed by here and I will try to fit into your discussion. I hope we can exchange constructive ideas which are in the interest of the great Polish nation.



Slavic Pride World Wide!

Greetings from a Dalmatinac
blackadder 1 | 114  
6 Jun 2008 /  #21
hahaha.what kind of Dalmatian guy votes for Slavic Union?Everybody knows that Dalmatians are the biggest haters of Yougoslavia,and all kinds of unions that includes Serbs.I'm a half Dalmatian and you are full of sharn.you are just some Serb,and I know exactly who;)
OP Crow 146 | 9,106  
6 Jun 2008 /  #22
Everybody knows that Dalmatians are the biggest haters of Yougoslavia,and all kinds of unions that includes Serbs.

my ancestral roots (not so deep in past- less then 100 years) are from Dalmatia. I know Dalmatian situation very well.

due to historical reasons (constant foreign rule) Dalmatians were on the first place Dalmatians (very strong regional identity). On the distant secund place they were aware of their original Serbian ethnic identity (especialy Orthodox Serbs of Dalmatian coast in general and, Catholic Dubrovnik). Without Dubrovnik literature you even don`t have fundaments for Serbian literature in general (both- Orthodox and Catholic).

Then, because of Austro-Hungarian imperialist pretensions and rule, Catholics of Dalmatia started to be at first declared (!) as Croats and then slowly to be even economicaly assimilated (attracted in new identity). Croat identity was desired by Austrians/Hungarians because- Zagreb, Krizevci and Varazdin (ethnic Croatian regions) was great Catholic center and plus population was already spiritualy deeply Germanized (nobility absolutely). From that time beggining pressure on Orthodox Serbs in dirrection of their conversion into Catholics and then their forcible croatization.

So, to conclude. Both- Orthodox and Catholic Serbs of Dalmatia were victims of pressure which needed to weaken their Serbian ethnic identity and made them objects of assimilation. Just tool for that assimilation was different- sometimes economic pressure, sometimes cultural and religious violance, sometimes open phisical violance.
Puzzy 1 | 150  
6 Jun 2008 /  #23
How to form political party with Pan Slavic orrientation in Poland?

- Perhaps by propagating such an orientation and seeing whether Poles are interested in it? By the way, I think any Pan-Slavic movement will in advance be doomed to failure as long as Russia is accepted as leader of the Slavs.

Poles and Russians, Czechs and Slovaks, Serbs and Croats... they all love eachother dearly already, so I can't see it being much of a problem.

- :)

But, actually, Osiol, Poles like Serbs, Croats, Slovaks and Czechs. Some Poles also like Russians (gradually I start belonging to the latter category).
OP Crow 146 | 9,106  
6 Jun 2008 /  #24
as long as Russia is accepted as leader of the Slavs

eh, no problem then :)

Its obvious that Serbians, having powerfull spirit, are leading Slavic nation. He, he just to consolidate our economy... we shell arise like phoenix bird between our wings- Poles and Russians
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,424  
6 Jun 2008 /  #25
Its obvious that Serbians, having powerfull spirit, are leading Slavic nation

How come?

Aren't you blaming the bad westerners for every wart and cough you get?
You couldn't even hold your country together because of the "demonic" Germany as you repeat so often - a powerfull leading country looks different Crow!!! You are just pathetic!
southern 75 | 7,096  
6 Jun 2008 /  #26
A slavic alliance is not sth bad for these nations.However I do not think other EU members will allow these.There are big interests on stake.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,424  
6 Jun 2008 /  #27
Umm...if they are so strong and full of spirit as Crow thinks shouldn't they be able to pull it off nonetheless?
They don't need anyones authorization, don't they???

Are you already blaming the west for failure without even trying???

Come on...show me the slavic Bismarck!!!
southern 75 | 7,096  
6 Jun 2008 /  #28
They don't need anyones authorization, don't they???

You know how EU would have reacted if a slavic alliance refused to recognize Kosovo for example or proceded to separate negotiations with Russia and gave free permit to Ukraine.

Let's say gasprom buys 50% of energy sector in every slavic country.Would EU be happy?
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,424  
6 Jun 2008 /  #29
If I would fight for a pan-slavic alliance I would give a sh*t what others think.
If enough people think like me and prefer such a thing to the EU I would go for it.
Regardless what others say...

Point here is that pan-slavists are a tiny minority..most slavs see their future within Europe, within the EU.

So...what does a pan-slavist say? He grumbles:
"We have no chance..the bad west/EU/Germany/GB/US (insert the enemy of the day) oppress us, enslave us and fight against us and we have no chance anyhow...etc., etc. etc."

It's the easy way out for all bitter Crows of this world!

You can hardly dream of a mighty, proud Slava and then balk before the first hurdle!
southern 75 | 7,096  
6 Jun 2008 /  #30
The Slavs have a traditional problem with organization.They tend to anarchy.If they solve this problem they can have a bright future.

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