I think Poland should quit the idea of joining the euro...
I agree with you. Joining the EU would dilute Poland. I was reading something the other day where this billionare bought a castle somewhere in europe(Germany I think) just to throw a Halloween party. It disgusted me. I really dont like the thought of American movie stars or celebrities buying out real estate or antiquities from other countries. Historic real estate should be maintained by government for everyone to enjoy. The same goes for artifacts and antiquities, It shouldnt be sitting in some rich arse holes house collecting dust on his or hers coffee table.
But then again, some items shouldn't be for sale. I mean can you imagine some oil baron buying the Brandenburg Gate or the Eiffel Tower? These historical buildings belong to the country and its people. This is where i wholly agree with Dziedzic
Hello everybody; i am glad to see that some people payed some attention to my comments. i am a bit concern though, it seems to me that polish culture is strong and stubborn enough...it's been tested for centuries..still survived many attempts to
obliterate it...
You see every economy..., according to the different models applied in macroeconomics has two legs fiscal and monetary policies...this two legs support the whole of the body of an economy...
Giving up one , means nothing but chopping up one and trying to keep on walking with the one left...who in his/her brains would even think of doing that..
and that is exactly what they are trying to do to poland....look at denmark, sweden norway...these countries were pushed into the european idea ...bravely they told the giants in brussels to stick that amorfous project up their arses..
They still don't like the EU...but unfortunately for them , everybody else seems to be buying into it.
Giving up your zlotych will mean giving up a possibility to run your own land...allowing some guy in the central european bank, who doesn't even speak polish to please some corrupt politician and hungry bankers they previously bribed anyway to get rich through the debts you will be enticed to sign...
Tic Tock another second off the clock another corupt policy changes hands left all for the good in what is left in some people to only slow it down , but never stop it.
Some logical reasoning for people who don't know what to think about Euro issue.
If always lying politicians are unable to find one good argument in favor of Euro then something is seriously wrong. Usually they don't have any problems with promises. This leads to the conclusion that they are 100% sure that we have nothing to gain here. What is more they shake their asses because experiences of other states which joined Euro-zone were not story of success. So, if we have nothing to gain then who need unnecessary risk? In the name of ideology? That is really weak reason...
What is more, perhaps some of you remember how many times Polish politicians praised Zloty to be so good currency?
I am not from Poland and my opinion would be to keep the countries currency as its own and stay away from the Euro. Poland will become stronger in the long run and a force to be reckoned with. Might as well change the name of the country to Eurupole? The world needs countries with individuality That is what makes culture and diversity.
How should both them match? The rich ones buy everything they want to buy - including the political parties and the medias. That is the reality in USA, GB, Italy, Germany and so on.
I agree with you. Joining the EU would dilute Poland. I was reading something the other day where this billionare bought a castle somewhere in europe(Germany I think) just to throw a Halloween party. It disgusted me. I really dont like the thought of American movie stars or celebrities buying out real estate or antiquities from other countries. Historic real estate should be maintained by government for everyone to enjoy. The same goes for artifacts and antiquities, It shouldnt be sitting in some rich arse holes house collecting dust on his or hers coffee table.
Poles should better think about waterworks, electric power houses, banks and factories first. Otherwise the day will come that Poles will have to sell their last artifact.
Giving up your zlotych will mean giving up a possibility to run your own land...allowing some guy in the central european bank, who doesn't even speak polish to please some corrupt politician and hungry bankers they previously bribed anyway to get rich through the debts you will be enticed to sign..
I don't see problems with TAKING Euros in Poland...lot's of Euros...no probs...:) Imagine an island of the Zloty amidst a sea of Euro! Well..why not....
My prediction is the EURO will become the global lead currency during the next decades, displacing the Dollar. It will be advantageous to be part of that zone, but if not you will manage too as do the countries who have no Dollar now.
I wouldn't imagine so, I often wonder how long it will be before the UK decide it's the way to go - The euro is pretty strong and and I seem to get less and less each time I go away :(
No battle - the euro is here to stay and we're a little bit more sophisticated than the romans were 2,000 years ago - it works and companies like it since it cuts costs on Forex and all the other associated costs with "buy-in" currency - the only down side is all the countries I visited pre euro were slightly cheaper than the UK or comparable - now with the euro - prices seem to have increased significantly, I'm not sure that wages have increased in line though.
Keeping your zlotych is already boosting your exports to youand foreign investment in poland.Think of it ...would you buy the same service for 20 zlotych or for £/.20
...if i was a investor who plans to sells his products away from poland anyway... i would set a company there pay wages there, and sell abroad.... In the long term ...goods made in Poland would be more and more demanded, industries would grow and further employment would be created with and reasonable growth in wages.
I know that in poland people tends to look at spain as an example of growth...in my opinion the wrong one...but i am not polish!!!, that is up you
.."remember:they had the chance to keep their peseta for 20 years"....once they joined the euro, they became expensive and tourism, their main industry ...has deviated to places like turkey...because price-wise is more sensible..and is hotter(which must be horrible).A strong currency comes from a strong sustainable exports over imports trade balance...not form joining a club.
Now if you are working in a bank and/or in a property management company , i do understand very well if you support the euro...since it is convenient for you guys...you are the ones really making the dough...but remember...greed has it limits ..would you like to follow blindly the same growth model as the southern european states and britain?...look at them now...the machine has stalled.
You don't earn money.EU subsidizes your economy.One of the terms that you have agreed for getting the subzidies is that you will switch to euro when the terms set by EU to switch to euro will have been achieved.You cannot deny euro if you have met the prerequisites because you get subsidized in order to meet them.
The scandinavian countries,UK etc were excluded from the euro zone(one reason being of course not being massively subsidized and some other reasons as well) but new members and southern european countries have no choice but to accept euro.
This is exaggeration. Polish economy is far from what it should be, because highly negative influence of Polish bureaucracy. Currently the EU impose on us even more bureaucrats, sending regulations that cannot be disputed in Poland or in any other member country. This is parasite organization which only wasting cash of European taxpayers.
As far as subsidies are concentrated. To the large extend this is Brussels propaganda. (the EU help for fishery is a great example) Media often reports how much of cash Polish bureaucracy may receive from Brussels. Later from time to time the say that something like 10% were really taken. They always fail to mention that Poland gives its share to the EU as well. No summary reports are published to verify how it is in fact.
If Poland would reform itself, it would develop much faster than today. One should mention here that 'old members' don't develop at all, they are stuck in stagnation. While some Asian countries develop nicely, why on earth they don't want to establish "European model"?
As far as subsidies are concentrated. To the large extend this is Brussels propaganda. (the EU help for fishery is a great example) Media often reports how much of cash Polish bureaucracy may receive from Brussels. Later from time to time the say that something like 10% were really taken. They always fail to mention that Poland gives its share to the EU as well. No summary reports are published to verify how it is in fact.
Now we are talking to each other.Don't tell me that GDP growth is not due to EU funds.
Currently the EU impose on us even more bureaucrats, sending regulations that cannot be disputed in Poland or in any other member country
This buraucracy maybe will save our asses.
If Poland would reform itself, it would develop much faster than today
No.
While some Asian countries develop nicely, why on earth they don't want to establish "European model"?
I agree with you on the subzidises issue, but don't you think that it sounds more like a poor blackmail...come on bro!!?...Are you suggesting that because in the south, goverments gave in to the sweet idea of money for free...to help to keep
up industries like the cheese in france(which would be sunk without EU help), some fruits and strange crops that are of no use(heard of the lino ...in Spain).
The Policies and intentions have to change, or change has to be forced,less subsidizes, more foreing investment..Poland has to move away from industries doomed to die or find a way to make them profitable...shift the little help that europe might send into better and more efficient industries...
I understand what southern is saying...but it does not seem fair to pimp other countries ...who is brussels really representing then?..the scandinavians do not share the idea of europe as a whole, the south seems to be rather passive with anything that is imposed from strasburg/Masstricht...and they won't be able to help this many new countries in the same way as it did with southern states anyway,,,because the truth is that the cake(money) has shrunk and there are more guests to the party...hungry(in a positive way) ones.
In brief, Europe has changed regardless of what any o us might think ...that subsidizes thing can be administrated in the same way and might not work as well as before..changes are needed...from the top, new ideas are needed...you can not run 21 members 15 or 20 years after ..following the same doctrines you did to run 15, you can get stuck in the past.
Poland is nothing comparing to 'Asian tigers', some are not mentioned above. Polish grow is caused by mowing away from communism. The value is clear, read the statistics of France, Germany and Italy, the oldest members.
I just read in the warsaw voice that president kaczka refuses to join the euro , i don not particulaly like this guy , but for once he says something i agrre with
