Polish leftist/radical culture...

Ahh if anyone earned a few gin martinis, it was him.

Idealisticaly,I hate churchill for all he represents, imperialism,xenaphobia,snobbery etc etc, but,youve got to admit he breaks the mold at times. Fav story of him is when he was at a dinner party in the states and some east coast old money haradin accused him of being drunk. His reply(no doubt corrected by Pres EnB ;) ) was,"I may be drunk madam,but in the morning I shall be sober,you shall still be ugly".

good quote. controversial but he has some panache I'll give him that.

mention him around here and it's probably diatribe for breakfast tomorrow.

Those were mostly opportunists, for are not radicals.


If so, then I say that almost all forum members seems to be completely disinterested in identifying and engaging the pan-Slavic ideas that Crow represent in this forum. Apparently they are on the losing end of the argument.

The style of the left is to raise populist slogans and avoid any debate. Because the result of such debate surely wouldn't be in their favor. The EU is good example, they don't discuss with their political opponents at all.


I completely disagree, I think that our understanding of political labels must be very different. Rightist is somebody who share social conservatism and liberal views on economic issues. There is no many of such people, they are elites. Few years ago Polish TV channel TVN made nationwide internet IQ test. Minor political party with such a profile as I described above happened to be a winner, while the result of the supporters of post-communist left was poor.

Following this logic, this is wrong to describe all Republican voters to be right wing. Electoral base of Republican party is much wider, it consist from following parts:

- rightists
- social conservatives (this seems to be the largest group right now)
- libertarians


What is your point? Jaruzelski is a rightist and Solidarity is leftist?

I made no point. I was simply answering a question. No political slant, just pointing out that Jaruzelski would not be considered a leftist. I shouldn't think THAT statement is controversial.

You clearly implied that he was "right-wing reaction" to "leftist" as I understand Solidarity. Intentional or not, this is pure historical revisionism. Mr Jaruzelski even if one argue about "leftist" label was internationalist socialist for sure, certainly had nothing do do with rightists. If you disagree, please provide some evidence of his right-wing policies.

While Solidarity was not leftist, their official program was socialistic however otherwise this movement would be quickly banned. Thus even if I admit that the largest part had social-conservative views, also other people joined them. Also some whom normally have very negative opinion about workers unions.

He was quiet power for sure.I liked him because he did not make a noise like Chausescu etc.He was low profile.

At that time Polish communist party hadn't any serious candidates for leadership, however somebody was needed to be the number one. Communist camp was weaker and weaker in the whole region and that is why especially in Soviet satellite countries local leaders were lacking confidence.

Chausescu confidence was originated also from the fact that he really felt to be number one in his country, Chinese were far away . While Jaruzelski was constantly controlled by the Soviets.