Polish Japanese relations (history and present time)

there was another "union" a few years ago...soviet...:)

Not all Scots are so emotional about history at all. Contrary to what many people think, there are still many poor people in Scotland. Such people think more about how to put clothes on backs and feed hungry mouths. These people don't have the luxury of dwelling on history.

Pasionate maybe closer to it than emotional :) but seanus has a good point.

Thx bro, we need to think practicalities sometimes. I've met a couple of Japanese folk here, they seem to like it.

Yes, there was, still those two unions differ a little. Especially in terms of the willingness to access those unions. :)

I think it's more of a racial issue. Let's face it for all the pro-Japanese BS on this forum, an Asian person in homogenous Poland is till often frowned upon, if not openly then in secret, and the same goes in Japan where gaijin have a very hard time living - I'm not talking tourism here, I'm talking about a more permanent residence.

I know US WW2 vets who despise German soldiers too to this day, I even remember one CNN interview where
a US commander was disgusted that Germans were allowed to partake in D-Day
celebrations. As for the British pilots, I wonder if they salute the same guys who dropped bombs on British cities too? Eh? Like I also said, Germans and Brits come from a similar ethnic/language group, and had common enemies before - French.

The Japanese are seen as eastern and inherently evil, they're not Christian (mostly) after all, even though the second A-Bomb was dropped on Nagasaki a predominantly Christian city in Japan.

There is also the matter of Japan being heck of a further distance away than the distance between the UK and Germany.

Japanese forces were cruel in Asia but this cruelty is far less substantial compared to the 'civilised' (yeah, right) wholesale industrialised slaughter of civilians and POW's

by Germany - an European country. As more facts come to light we see that ordinary Wehrmacht was responsible for mass atrocities not just units of the SS.

You could probably compare Japanese units to the SA while the Germans were
their proud SS.

I say all this as a Polish expat who's in love with and dating a (Catholic
) Japanese girl and also as someone with a good few close Japanese friends.
One of whom who's grandmother is Catholic and who still loves John Paul II, although he is not Catholic himself, still resents the A-bombs saying that they would never have been dropped on German (caucasian) cities.

I've read this thread with great interests, despite of some racial slurs.

I grew up in Tokyo, spent 7 years in Manchester UK, and am on my way to Krakow for my next job as an engineer. I've been to Poland many times and always enjoyed hosptality and natural beauty of the nation.

Within my family, my greatgrandfather fought the Russians twice in his life time - first as a young artillery officer in Sakhalin and next as a batallion commander in Siberia during and after the Russian revolution, so I guess he was more or less involved in the Japanese operations of saving Polish people trapped there.

As a history geek, my favourite website is
jacar.go.jp
where a huge number of PRIMARY sources are available.

Oh, there's one thing that I used to ask the British who were b----ing about our obvious inhumanity in the past; why were you in Burma in the first place?

Information about your culture and language in Poland.

Warsaw Poland. Japanese 1/2

Warsaw Poland. Japanese 2/2

Japan Week Warszawa 2007

Well... JAPAN. I have been to Japan... I have some priceless memories. A very special place for me.

Me too! Got totally loaded on Beer and Polish Vodka (Ice cold Belvedere I might add!) ran through the rain and stepped on a homeless guy. We went back to check when the "lumpy pile of garbage" I stepped on Moaned! We played darts in a bar we thought we would get our asses kicked by a scary Japanese Rocker dude, but turned out to be a great guy. We stole an umbrella from an umbrella stand (turn about is fair play I always say...), and bought a couple of very cute Japanese girls dinner for guiding us through a menu that had no English translations. Almost slept through our wake up call and went to the airport still drunk. That and other things I prefer not to post on a forum.

Mine was a different kind of trip

I can imagine :-)

I had a japanese friend who imitated all my movements and style of speech,even the words.

Ok... its a good thing.

Ask her if she is prepared to get married with you. I know this might sound hard... but with all respect for your beautiful relationship. Ask her to be prepared and also confirm (if you are interested) in marrying her. Then visit her parents and secure the marriage with her.

Might sound very straight.... but if it ends straight than you are very fortunate indeed. Very.

I like Japanese art and culture and I like such news : pl.emb-japan.go.jp/relations/documents/statement_eng.pdf


Culture meeting: The Japanese living in Poland:

webnews.textalk.com/en/article.php?id=323005
manggha.krakow.pl
krakow-info/manggha.htm

I can tell you that Poland is viewed favourably by Japan. Whenever I had a class there on a European country they'd like to visit, Poland was high on the list.

Porando ha kirei dayo ne! Porando ni ikitai yo. Porando ha inshoteki/omoshiroi no bunpou ga aru yo

I often heard the Japanese students pay such compliments. Cos dobrego, na prawda.

prawda prawda

Japanese computer game:

Dmowski and Pilsudski went to Japan separately in 1904. The latter planned to start anti-Russian uprising in Poland and wanted to convince Japanese to attack Russian Empire from other side in the same time. While Dmowski, who was always opposed to needless blood spoiled during such events which could not be successful, wanted to prevent this to happen. They even met each other in Tokyo but could not agree. Finally option pushed by Dmowski won.

Later in 1919 Japan recognized Poland, Japanese ambassador in Paris informed Dmowski ( who was leading Polish National Committee in France) about this decision.

photo of Dmowski and Japanese ambassador in Poland

Dmowski, hmm, I always think dmuchać when I hear his name, dunno why LOL

or dymac :)

Dymać is like to blow on sth, like a candle?

It's one of those annoying verbs with so many possible combos

bbk.ac.uk/russojapanesewar/abstracts.html

In the present, relations are pretty healthy. There are those racists who brand them as Kitajce but that goes for all Asians. The Poles who I teach have a healthy respect for them and many want to go there for a visit.

I've never heard any racial slur towards Japanese. New building in Japanese culture center is going to be build in Kraków.

center krakow in poland

Decent Poles don't, just the racists. I can't remember why, but we got onto the topic of Poland when I taught there. Nothing but positive comments. The Japanese love Chopin and the Poles.

I don't know the reason why Polish far right always admired Japan ... it is not important.
Both countries had similar problems with cultural key.

M. Koyama plays Chopin Revolutionary Etude (HQ Audio)

Now everybody knows what real politics mean.

Anny way, currently Japan can be example of transformaton form agrocultural country into into Hi-tech power what is more they don't have mineral resources so they can be example of effcient technologies.

From Peasant Economy to Urban Agglomeration
: The Transformation of 'Labour-intensive Industrialization' in
Modern Japan

e.u-tokyo.ac.jp/cirje/research/dp/2007/2007cf516.pdf

Poland should folow Japan in this cases.

As long as it is compatible with demographics, yes. Japanese loyalty is unswerving. They have amazing allegiance to their companies.

At this point mentality is much different in Poland. :)

Hehehe, but this is changing. It's moving in the right direction :)

Expanding a strategic partnership
worldeyereports.com/reports/2009/2009_poland/2009_poland.aspx