What is happening in polish politics?

Hmmmm... Then tell me from where does that "180.000 per year" number comes from ? Cose, especially during communist times - where ALL medical treatments were paid from the state budget - and the state budget - has paid for the highest recorded number of abortions in 1965 - and it were 168.587 abortions at that time - while in 1992 it was 11.640..

..Well I guess that the BBC know it better :)

video.google.pl/videoplay?docid=-5316653485189456209&q=BBC

..but let me guess - they probably have that 180.000 number from that Dutch organization about which they were writing some time earlier.

Sorry truebrit - if I would belive in everything what the BBC or the British media is writing about this part of the world I would know all kinds of strange stuff, that frankly speaking dosn`t have much to do with reality - but I`m not interested in strange stuff - I`m interested in facts and numbers acquired from the original source of information.

Nobody will ever know what the true figures are so both of you stop fighting like a pair of spoilt children, it's a sensitive subject that I dont think any man has the right to argue about - like I said it's not something that is ever going to affect you.


I understand you are sticking up for your country, but thats exactly what I was doing in the first place, for a long time the UK has been 'tourist abortion country' many Irish and Spanish coming over because of the laws in their own country, so figures do not represent how many women who live in the UK have them.

Stats are never completely correct - figures are fudged to suit

okay, maybe not *any* man but I think we men have some rights too. :) you really think it does not affect us? I would ask you to reconsider..

my ex had an abortion. I wanted the child, and I've done all I can to put her mind at ease but she wanted a career. :(

I still feel like a mess thanks to her. so yes, I think it concerns men too. :)

I don`t think that this issue isn`t going to affect any of us - Population control is very important and it affects everybody in one way or the other.


In my opinion - and you can trust me when I say that this opinion is correct - stats are always correct - even if they don`t show the true scale of an event first hand - it is always possible to make an estimation within a proper margin of error and a predefined probability. Various processes that are taking place in a society are a subject of research - one of those processes are abortions - and according to that resarch there are no more than 16.000 abortions carried out by Polish women each year - inclouding both legal ones and those that are illegal.

radstats.org.uk/no072/article4.htm - statistics manipulation (or is the glass half full or half empty?)

Of course it is possible to manipulate people with use of statistics - but it is only possible in case of those who have no idea about statistics as well as those who have a very dimm idea about sociology and economics. (In the case you`re mentioning - unemployment - it is enough to use a common EU definition of unemployment - and recive your data from an agency that builds its stats on that one common definition - and then you, based on variables that are specific for your country, you can estimate the real unemployment rate in your country - and then you can be absoloutely sure that you`d get comparable results with other countries) ...hey it is even possible to manipulate people with simple graphs, but it dosn`t change the fact that stats are - always - correct.

You are wrong

No - I`m right :)

That constitutes 80% of all people living on Earth.

long winded way of saying this was a guess which is not true:

Stats are bollocks - companies fix their stats to suit, government fix their stats to suit whilst I understand your argument to a certain degree - there is no black and white and stats whatever they are, are generally fudged to suit whomever

Arien - for her reasons she did what she did, she's an ex so maybe she knew the relationship was not a stable one too also I'm sorry you're upset over what happened.

It`s not a guess - you might find it hard to believe but everything, inclouding future events, can be predicted within a set probability frame using statistic and econometric models as well as simulations - as long as you have the proper data.

Ofcourse there is no black and white. Noone`s denying it, certainly I`m not.

Wujek_Dobra_Rada ever heard of human error


We can guess - it's a prediction - it's not an exact science

It`s a science and I`ve also studied it - and I don`t know how about the UK, but here it is being used in everything from strategic planning, thru management to engeneering.


Human error as well as everything we can not predict is part of the calculation.

Okay I worked for an engineering consultancy and of course we had things like 'fault tree Analysis" and all sorts of other programs - I'm not stupid - I worked in corporate banking of course there were programms used - the point I was inititally making was that of stats that a country releases are not always necessary correct.

Okay - do you want to know what gift I got - hopefully I wont look like a stupid brit or a lezza

Alright - what`s your gift ?

okay, she told me she is studying Psychology (in the uk) and that I might be able to help her in return for her teaching me Polish - so I thought (I can be quite practicle at times) I would get her the Palgrave Study Guide (asked my brother for advice on purchase - he's a ward manager in a Psyc hospital) which is used in conjuction with text books, enables the person studying to find what they need fast out of text books.

okay, I'm off to my first lesson

TTFN

I think it`s a very good idea - and it looks very practical.

what can I say I come from an academic family who actually appreciate these kinds of gifts

Norway's welfare model 'helps birth rate'
Birth rates in the European Union are falling fast.
In the third of a series about motherhood and the role of the state in encouraging couples to have more children, the BBC's Lars Bevanger in Oslo examines whether generous family policies explain why Norwegian women give birth to more babies than most of their European sisters.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4786160.stm

SWEDEN AND NORWAY
Nordic governments employ a range of policies designed to help couples have more children. These governments have a long history of social policies aimed at helping people balance their work and family life. This is part of what is known as the "Nordic model".

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4837422.stm

People have smaller families because of the standard of living they want and some women chose not to have children because of work, inability to find a life partner, because they decide too late and are unable to have children. Not sure the stats on this one but the last thing I read said that something like 2 in 10 men have a low sperm count due to excessive drinking and bad diet..hmmmm not always fault lays at the womens door.

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How do Polish People feel about their Politicians?

Is this a big deal in Poland, or do people really care about it?

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