Polish/German/Russian relations

Much more than germans doesn't mean very much liked :)

It's a waste of time to debate with BBoy. Two words for you - "Crystal Night". Anybody can Google for more info. Some polish actions against the Jews were not actions, but reactions started in your country. Yes, I heard of Kielce. I was born a stone throw away from the city and I am the the US because my parents helped to save life of a Jew. To express his gratitude year later, he invited and sponsored my older sister, as my parents are no longer alive. I arrived 5 years after her.

"During Crystal Night over 7,500 Jewish shops were destroyed and 400 synagogues were burnt down. Ninety-one Jews were killed and an estimated 20,000 were sent to concentration camps. Up until this time these camps had been mainly for political prisoners. The only people who were punished for the crimes committed on Crystal Night were members of the Sturm Abteilung (SA) who had raped Jewish women (they had broken the Nuremberg Laws on sexual intercourse between Aryans and Jews)".

So there. Not another key stroke shall be wasted on you trollish behavior.

You don't have to tell ME what Germans did Girl....we don't deny our deeds...we acknowledge, paid the survivors, remember, build monuments...

quite to the contrary to you denying Poles...THAT is a shame!

Sorry...but sometimes truth hurts!

"...Which brings to mind Clive Ponting's ARMAGEDDON, wherein he states that in the East-european countries German troops frequently rescued jews from beatings and mistreatment by the locals. They did save some at Jedwabne. Maybe they could have saved more...."

Fact is after the war Poland was judenrein and deutschrein.
9.000.000 Germans were thrown out of Wroclaw,Sczeczyn,Gdansk,Poznan.Sorry I forgot,it was not the Poles who kicked them out,it was the bloody communists.

It's a fact also some Polish people mistreated Jews during WWII but Instead pointing at each other, it would be so much smarter to at least try to forgive if not forget. Hatred and lack of understanding will certainly lead us to another conflict. It's time to find to each other. I don't see Adolf Hitler when I talk to a German and I'm expecting a German not to see us as negative as it has been in the past and partly continous to be nowadays.

It was actually the Jews who decided to eliminate the Jews who did not agree with them on the grounding of the state of Israel.The jewish community in Germany supported fully Hitler's plans.

Ok I will I notice you were silent about Grundwald, and all my other points I believe you cannot handle a debate only what your local White Pride leader has put into your head.

I do realize you are at a disadvantage as this is an English speaking forum and its not your native tongue. And as you are a boy I can understand your coltish and simple-minded nationalism. But you vaunt your german heritage even though in the last century I don't recall Germany ever winning a war. You were beaten by a bunch of mongrels and according to you inferior nations so as per logic Germany is the most inferior. More to the point YOU little Boy are the most inferior. when your ready to answer my previous posts which rebutted yours, in short when your ready to Argue with the big boys TheKruk will be waiting but you Nationalists and racists always run cowards that you are you will always lose. Now get to bed and pray to Adolf before your Mommy kisses you goodnight

My God, that many Germans was penetrated into Polish ground? Did they come as Germans already or they represent Slavs (Poles) who were germanized latter during German occupation?

Anyway, I suggest that Poles declare that any German who return to mother Slavia (who refuse to stay germanized), can also return on Slavic Polish ground.

Don’t tell me that declaration in this direction can violate `good` relations between two countries. No, it can’t because Germany already have low about `ius sanguinis`- that all Poles who prove that they are of German blood/origin can get privileged status in Germany.

So, if Germany can, why Poland wouldn’t have similar low? Or, maybe Germany has some special rights inside of EU?

BDW, there is petition (in case with this low) against assimilation of Slavs (particularly Poles) in Germany.

Against assimilation of Slavs in Germany

petitiononline.com/Slavija/petition.html

(if link doesn`t work try on google)

Fragment...

To: Slavic state governments, Parlament of EU, USA government and Congress, members of Security Council of United Nations, Vatican, Orthodox Churches, Head of Protestant churches and also UNICEF.

`There are some indications that Germany is covertly trying to Germanize Poland and the Polish people.

There are laws as pertained to Aussiedler that mean that “any Pole who can prove that some of his/her ancestors were German can receive some privileges from the German state- (ius sanguinis that they are 'of German blood')”. Such a law discriminates and reeks of forced assimilation through breaking of primary human right of self-determination. It encourages Germanization through financial incentives.`

etc

They even toasted Adolf when they were on the train towards a concentration camp

I think they had penetrated about 500 years ago due to some knights wars.
It is true some want to get back(not to mother Slavia exactly).

the most intelligent utterance you have written yet

The Jews had no army.The war was not about the Jews.
It was in certain extent a war between germans and slavs.

Those Germans were running from the Red Army and from the revenge of the Poles. My grandma told me about Germans that were living in my home town before the WWII - they were mostly very intelligent, cultural and polite people, always saying God morning and Goodbye, etc... Well at least before the war, because during the occupation they replaced those words with schnella, polnische schwine, etc... In the end nobody throw them out of their houses. They left because the feared that they might be treated the same way as they treated their neighbors, and the were right probably. The same thing happened with vast majority of those 9 milion Germans.


Hehehe... yeah and I bet that concerned with their fate they even escorted them to a safe place... Tremblinka, Auschwitz? LOL

Common Bratwurst, what you are trying to do now is to focus the attention of the war atrocities you committed during the war on poles. Nice try to whiten yourself but I think that we all know better. I agree that poles tend to mythologize their attitude during the war but comparing Poles and Germans in the WWII....? I bet even Goebels would have trouble making such a statement. :)

BTW, former polish president, Aleksander Kwasniewski apologized for the Jedwabne few years ago, even though we still don't know who was standing behind this horrible act. That’s regarding us Poles trying to deny our horrible past. :)

Hmmmm....German performance on the Arctic front was subpar compared to Finnish. Maybe Germans were too busy bonking nazi-admiring finnish women in Oulu.

Well you should your nature after 1944...

destroyed Ivalo:

You don't have to believe ME Maty...read the books....are enough out there...

You mean they managed to survive.Others did not have the same luck.(Wilhelm Gustlof).

Maty,

Danzig had a 99 percent german population....how could they have treated polish neighbours bad when there weren't any?
And other towns and villages were fully German too...

No...that's just another try at denying or apologizing crimes by Poles....again unable to admit they did wrong...so typically, so pathetic...

Poles have still a long way to go!

Read the books about what? Jedwabne? Been there, done that. Alos read a lot about so called "szmalcownicy", so generally people that collaborated with the Nazis, Poles and Jews, and? They were regarded as traitors and there were special units in the underground polish army responisble for eliminating those people... I'm not saying that all poles are saints, but comparing Polish and German attitude towards Jews during the WWII is just pure demagogy.

Yes...Jews often said Poles were worse than Germans...I read that myself!

Recently there was a poll in Czech Republic.85% of Czechs find positive that 4.000.000 Germans were kicked out of Czech republic after the war.

And you will never get there didn't I tell you to go to bed and let the adults talk

99%? Where do you get your statisxtics from? Besides, I never said that I live in Gdańsk... I live in Greater Poland where Germans had definately a lot of Polish neighbours. :) Still i stand correct.


Crimes on whom? On Germans? For what you did you deserved worse than you actually got.


Than compare the casualties of innocent people that died from the hands of Germans and Poles during the war and we will see what happens. :)

I didn't say that you live in Danzig...but you seem to think that Germans were generally bad to Poles and that's why the flew.

No Maty...most of them didn't go voluntarily...Poles acted against their german neighbours exactly like they did with their jewish neighbors.
Expelling them, stealing their belongings! Killing them! Just because they could!

And I have a statistic for Danzig from 1934

704.000 Germans

6.800 Poles

Brawurst are you accusing that 6 million Jews were killed by Poles not Germans ?
If thats your point then you are totally lost here...

No I didn't you idiot!

Germans did much to recognize, to apologize, to pay and to remember the Holocaust!

It's the Poles who are still deep in denial about THEIR shameful past!

That's definitely one of the reasons. The second one was that they feared what will happen when the Red Army arrives. Even your government was encouraging people to evacuate from those areas before the Russians come. That's a fact.

PS: My statistics come from 1938 - 91% Germans, 8% Poles. :)

Crap....my family stems from a number of little villages around Breslau...only Germans...hardly polish neighbours to be bad to...

But it's always the Germans faults, isn't it? Or the Russians...or the communists....or the Jews themselves...

See a pattern here?

You mean Wroclaw.

As my family lived there it was Breslau!

Btw...Wrotzwaw rather sounds like a bad cough...:)

For Christ sake, the next thing you will say here is that we actually started that damn war! What really pisses me off with all you Erika Stenbach fans is that you treat the German exodus after the war as if it hadn't anything to do with the whole war itself? But what ever you will say and do you won't change the fact that it had a lot to do with it! Attack of your country on mine was the reason your family no longer lives near Wrocław and not the other way around. You were the aggressors, not us, you lost the war and were forced to face the consequences. If the poles where just as bas as you claim it to be, than they would round the rest of remaining Germans up, and not expel them, but send them to Auschwitz for the fate their deserved. I think that Poles had the God damn right to have their revenge on you, and that your people’s exodus was the liniest punishment I could think of.

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And I still stand correct that the vast majority of Germans run away from fear rather than were expelled.


And long before you people come to live there it was called Wrocław.