I find your entire post odd stupid and out of place, are you some sort of hardline commie? There is no question about Wałęsas role during "S" movements and he's still a hero, the point is whether apart from being a hero for Poland he's privately a decent man which i very much doubt he is..
For you to consider me a communist, because I posted a thread explaining that this guy seems stupid and I have read a lot of reports questioning his true role in Polish history is silly, and immature :) Why is my entire role stupid and out of place? I posted it in 'Poland and History', I said he seems stupid (you agree) I said I am intrigued by him and I am curious as to how Poles might react if he was uncovered as a fraud. I'm not sure if you understood my original thread, but your reaction is silly and very childish. I said I didn't mean to offend anyone, and for you to be offended because I said I have read countless articles that question the man is ridiculous. My point had nothing to do with if he is privately a 'decent' man or not, did you understand anything I wrote? My point was that I have read a lot of negative press about him recently. My point was that I'm aware that there are books about him that detail he was a puppet and a fraud, and I'm fascinated by this. My point was how Polish people will react if this is true. My point was that a lot of Polish people seem to be embarrassed by him, and I'm interested in how all this will end, will he have to leave Poland as he has threatened to do, will he sue as he has threatened to do. My point was also to measure the reaction and opinions of Poles to these revelations, and although you seem confused your reaction is indeed a reaction.
What doubt? He was leading "Solidarność" in times when he could well get a bullet for that, thats pretty brave by any account and anyone who undermines THAT is either an idiot or communist supporter, there should not even be a discussion about this particular fact
That's my point THERE IS DOUBT, thus why he is threatining legal action !!!!! (although you don't seem to understand anything I asked or my motives for asking) There are a lot of people who are questioning his 'bravery' and if the allegations are true (He still hasnt pressed charges) he wasn't in any danger at all because he was set up as a puppet. I am neither an idiot or a communist supporter :) For you to suggest I am because of this post is very very immature.
You did read the article I posted didn't you? You do realise that my original post was based on one of many articles I have read about this man?
There is no controversy about his role in the past and i'd appreciate if you'd stop that communist ********, Wałęsas role as a face, symbol and a rallying banner in difficult times is indisputable, what people do bring out is that he was also a two faced prick in private life which I'm willing to believe, he's still a hero though, a stupid little man who by fate or accident found himself in the right time at the right place but he did.
So for someone to be interested in recent alliigations and publications that seem to offer a differrent perspective on someones role in history is communist ? :)))) Um no, THERE IS CONTROVERSY regarding his role in the past, THAT IS WHY I POSTED THIS THREAD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF THIS CONTROVERSY. That is why he is threatening to leave Poland. This is why people are bringing out books and research into his true role in history, why, how, and who was behind the scenes. Nobody here or I is discussing his private life. The whole question is was he really in the right place at the right time, or was it a set up. . that is what people are asking, that is what the international community are now wondering, that is why people are writing books, that is why I am intrigued, that is why I am asking is he a hero or a fraud and a fool. I think you just read the title of my thread; perhaps that's why you are imagining I wrote something else.
But given that most Irish, English and Scottish heroes were also murdering cvnts, thieves, pirates or tyrants i dont see a problem and neither should you, a national hero is not necceserily a good human being.
I'm not sure why you might consider hundreds of thousands of Irish people who died in an 800 year war against an oppressor 'murdering cvnts'? Are those Polish people who fought in the world war 'murdering cvnts' also? You are utterly confused and clearly understood nothing I wrote:| I never questioned if the man was a good human being or not, why would I care ? I am questioning his true place in history and if he is a fraud or not. I am questioning how Polish people will react if recent alligations about him continue to gain popularity. You seem to be just answering some other questions you have in your head.
Your reaction is that I might anticipate from some Poles, as I suspect a lot will not accept any criticisim fo a hero. Your anger towards me whilst misplaced and ridiculous is expected somewhat considering you didnt underdstand what I wrote, or why