Polish elites vs German elites

I got a laugh about verdict of Constitutional Tribunal of the Federal Republic of Germany regarding validity of treaty of Lisbon. Judges ruled out that Treaty of Lisbon is valid BUT German lawmakers must firstly put forward legislation that would state that German law is more important. It means that German parliament would need to accept every each regulation coming from Brussels.

How this case look like in Poland? Polish judges already treat European law to be more important than Polish constitution (aka famous case with extradition of several Polish citizens, before lawmakers changed Polish constitution with openly forbid such practices). Some prominent Polish judges speak openly about superiority of Treaty of Lisbon over Polish law.

This is exactly the difference between Polish and German political elites. I don't really admire current German politicians, they are populist and opportunistic. They don't care about interest of German taxpayer in long-perspective. At this point their attitude remind me Polish politicians and to be honest whole Europe and America as well. This is very weak side of democracy as a political system in general. However German elites at least think about their own particular interest in long perspective in opposition to most of others. I don't believe that politically nominated judges can be independent in such crucial matters like Treaty of Lisbon. It means that this is some kind of consensus among German political elites. In Poland the consensus is exactly opposite, apparently short term bribes and few seats in Brussels fully satisfy ambitions of Polish politicians. When I see such attitude, I only hate them more. If you are a bastard then at least try to be among the best! Polish politician are bastard, completely pathetic with wh*re mentality. Sorry that I used such strong words but this is true.

German elites are unwilling to allow others to meddle in German internal affairs. While different attitude visible in most of other EU member states gives them an opportunity to have much of influence over law systems outside of Germany. I must admit that this is diplomatic masterpiece. One treaty and two completely different interpretations.

I don't write all of this to stir anti-German sentiments. Hats off to German elites, because their stance is worth of respect. I write it to point out how miserable are Polish political elites in comparison with German elites whom don't represent any high quality after all.

Poland does not have a political elite.

How do you think, why?

When Jaruzelski took over in Poland, fanciers of Gierek spread a verse: Wracaj Edziu do kortyta -- lepszy złodziej niż bandyta. (Eddie, return to the trough -- a thief is beter than a bandit.)

The koryto (trough, feedbag ie self-interest and self-aggrandisement) has long been the central theme of Polish politics, ie my own and my family's interests or, at best, my party's interests. Pious platitudes about serving the people, bla-bla are no more than vote-grabbing gimmicks. 'Twas much the same in Piłsudski's time. Does noble, selfless service to the nation exist anywhere these days?

Yes, just not in the political group, also politics in times of Piłsudski were different, back then it was more a clash of ideas than patriots vs greedy shites.

Sorry about typo! Should be koryta not kortyta.

Yes, it appears that mature form of representative democracy is quite the same everywhere. However question appears why opportunists in one place (Germany) want to rob a bank, while in some other places (Poland for example) prefer to steal a wallet of elderly women?


I agree early representative democracy was idealistic. They could harshly disagree because they had different visions. Today only cash is important. Look at recent EU elections, except of minor parties nobody raised any political issues. Mainstream parties spit on each other, people don't really understand why (the answer is to concentrate all attention) and they refuse to participate.

The only argument by some way connected with European politics was raised by PO. How they wanted to attract people? 'Vote for us because if more of our palls win seats, chances of Buzek to gain celebrity post are growing.' Only posts and what follow cash matters these days.