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what are the statistics on sexual abuse of children in Poland?


mamma mia  
12 Apr 2007 /  #1
This is a serious question (in case anyone doubts it). I have studied this issue in other countries and just wondered whether it's acknowledged in PL and how it's dealt with etc.
Giles  
12 Apr 2007 /  #2
I doubt this will receive a huge amount of replys. Since many people are highly uncomfortable with the subject matter. The best places to check are probably with childrens charities online. Alternatively government/police sites.
Big Rob - | 70  
12 Apr 2007 /  #3
This is the sort of **** that is highly dangerous. No common sense person will touch it.
bookratt  
12 Apr 2007 /  #4
Follow the articles and links here. Not pretty, is it?

fdn.pl/index/?id=ea5d2f1c4608232e07d3aa3d998e5135

childcentre.info/projects/abused/

Just as bad here in the US, too.

Sick stuff. I know they know it is wrong and hate it, as we do, but it would be good to know what the general attitude is toward it by Poles, as it is a huge problem there.

Do they believe it is Poles doing this or outside influences operating within Poland or what?

We should all join together to stop it, especially in instances of child trafficking, child slave labor, etc.

Easy way to do so:

Report what you see and hear to the proper authorities, it's as simple as that.

Increased scrutiny leads to less abuse of all kinds. If we're all watching and report what we see, then they will feel less comfortable doing it and will not think they can get away with it.

I'd like to know, too, how people in Poland feel about this issue; I assume they feel as most people do but in many ways, turn a blind eye to it, ie: "it's not my kid, so it's not my problem."

Happens here, too. People are afraid to anger the abuser or the group doing the abusing.
nauczyciel  
12 Apr 2007 /  #5
pretending it doesn't happen only allows it to happen more.

i have a friend here, and his GF (unmarried) has been intimate with her father in the last year. He has been sexually touching her all her life. She accepts it as normal. Her mother says/does nothing.

Her father buys her whatever she wants, bought her a business, house, cars,... now she is pregnant and my friend doesn't think the kid is his. And to be even more suspicious she was offered 100,000zl from her father to leave to country. He's rather successful. My friend is getting a DNA test done after the child is born.

So it happens here just as much as anywhere.
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
12 Apr 2007 /  #6
has been intimate with her father in the last year. He has been sexually touching her all her life. She accepts it as normal

This man should be fed to the pigs
daffy 23 | 1,508  
12 Apr 2007 /  #7
This topic is a topic that should NOT be brushed under the rug Giles/Big Rob.

To ignore this subject is far more dangerous! It is to give those criminals a 'carte blanche!' The more awareness about this issue, the more people that come forward who are victims THEN the more likely the criminal will be caught, punished and be a deterent to others. That they fear being punished more than committing this sick crime.

If people think they can get away with it - they are more likly to do it!!

Raise the awareness. Help stop it.
undercover  
12 Apr 2007 /  #8
This topic is a topic that should NOT be brushed under the rug

You are absolutely right! To ignore it is to perpetuate it! When its brought into the open, victims might be more likely to report their abusers instead of living in a prison of shame and guilt.
OP mamma mia  
13 Apr 2007 /  #9
Thanks for those responses to a subject that is very difficult to acknowledge let alone discuss openly and that is why it remains hidden. Unfortunately, when it happens to young children they often are tricked into not telling anyone and they don't understand the traumatic nature of the situation. Most cases happen in the family, by a known family member and if the mother (or other family member) denies it and keeps it a dark secret, that poor child has no hope really. It's a mental illness that is more widespread than people know, or want to know. Reports show that children who were abused end up drug addicts, seriously depressed, personality problems/dysfunctions and other life defeating stuff - many never realise their potential in life. The person who colludes with it(by keeping quiet) is as bad in my mind as the perpetrator.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
13 Apr 2007 /  #10
It's a mental illness that is more widespread than people know

is paedophilia categorised as a mental illness...?

secondly...

over the years, the uk has had a number of scandles involving priests and choirboys... given the predominant religion in poland, have there been similar accusaions leved aginst priest there...?
LoneStranger 3 | 382  
13 Apr 2007 /  #11
mamma mia

I am quite God fearing... and I love children...and respect religions and their moral values (which are pure from God, not mixed and managed by people to their own liking).

But still... as far as I see ... sexual abuse of children does happen in Poland...mostly by the Church authorities... the names come out are big. So, very often... the Polish people and government...to keep the respect of the important personalities (with whome the name and dignity of a very important national institution is so closely attached) hide the entire matter.

But... as some say... hiding is the worse we can do.

Poland needs to get out of many bindings... specially... the Church of Rome (my personal view point).

LoneStranger.

aginst priest

Often the most nice ol' priests...and they are all state secrets... however again, often known by most natives, settled in small towns of that particular/specific rural society. But then, people hide...out of shame, fear, shock of all kinds! ... and ofcourse, they try to be their loyal best.
LoneStranger 3 | 382  
13 Apr 2007 /  #13
true...but often it hits the poorest!

In the big towns, perhaps you will see a cleaner picture. Or maybe in our towns, we know better ways to hide. Maybe because we are more educated and intelligent(?) in the towns.
OP mamma mia  
13 Apr 2007 /  #14
In the big towns, perhaps you will see a cleaner picture

It happens everywhere, in every socio-economic group. There are no distinctions, but factors like alcohol abuse, depression, illness of one kind or another, family dysfunction etc., do put some children at greater risk.

is paedophilia categorised as a mental illness...?

Yes, it most certainly is.

this excerpt from an interview with Police Officer tells all:-

the report shows is that most offences are committed - in fact, in 90 per cent of cases, they're committed against children by people who are either related to them or who know them and their family very well. Seventy per cent of abuse is committed in their own or the victims' home and they spend a long period of progressive grooming, of both parents and the child, to build up a relationship of trust and confidence and they commit their offences in the main in circumstances that revolve around ordinary domestic routine like watching television, tucking children into bed, baby-sitting, going for a ride in the car and things like that.
witek 1 | 587  
13 Apr 2007 /  #15
the statistics for sexual abuse of children in Poland are no different then any other country such as France or England.
Giles  
13 Apr 2007 /  #16
This topic is a topic that should NOT be brushed under the rug Giles/Big Rob

i wasn't, I was merely stating that it is an uncomfortable topic.

I didn't realise paedophillia was a mental illness news to me.
I thought it was a prediliction, which the abuser could not or would not keep in check.
Once a person abuses a child, in my book they lose all their rights. The answers simple, lobotomize them and castrate them. People often say that those who are abused become abusers, therefore the only way to prevent this is to prevent these people reoffending and creating new potential abusers.

I watched a program, following the life of a sex offender released into the community, and the "support" network surrounding the guy. Social workers, therapists, police, probationary worker. The guy was rehoused, regularly visited by probation and social workers, the police kept a regular tag with him. The guy was told there were certain individuals he was not to socialize with (other nonces he had met in prison).

Eventually he was deemed too much of a risk and returned on licience to prison.
The cost of policing this one nonce, must have been enormous all down to the tax payer.

I think its simple enough. Although each case would have to be individually reviewed; but violent and repeat offenders should just be lobotomized and castrated, or actually just put down.

If you have a dangerous dog, it is destroyed, same principle should apply. I prefer the lobotomy castration route, only because death is too final, being turned into a vegetable is dehumanizing and a much more debasing punishment, perfect.
OP mamma mia  
13 Apr 2007 /  #17
the statistics for sexual abuse of children in Poland are no different then any other country such as France or England.

that's probably true, but I was asking whether or not the incidence of this crime is out in the open in PL. In the countries you mention, it's been exposed much more and there are laws about reporting it to police by people who work with children and notice any evidence of abuse. How public is the issue in PL?
Giles  
13 Apr 2007 /  #18
This mental illness buisness, this is confusing to me. Surely the same arguement could be used to say homosexuality is a mental illness. Which some people claim anyway. i disagree. Also by labling paedophillia as an illness, the offenders culpability can be reduced, because "its not his fault, he's just mentally ill".

I'm sure there are sex offenders that are mentally ill, but I would disagree that of them all are.

Well given that Roman Gyrtrich criticized the BBC (UK TV channel) for reporting on the paedophile priest scandal in the UK and the States, it doesn't bode well.

The damage done to the Holy Catholic Church by revelations of widespread, systematic, repeat abuse by priests and the cover up attempted throughout the church hierachy has been incalculable. Still at least people have begun to realise just how completely degenerate certain sections of the prelature are. Terribly sad. If it was the odd priest now and again, however it seems to be more than the odd one.
OP mamma mia  
13 Apr 2007 /  #19
I thought it was a prediliction

No way. Predeliction suggets preference or liking for something in the normal sense of the word - no-one in their right mind would "prefer" a sexual encounter with a child - it's a serious distortion of the mind, but these people are usually extremely smart and clever in hiding it : they tend to be "intelligent".

The hardest thing for a victim is if and when they get to the age where they disclose what happened to them, that is, exposing the paedophile - they very often are excommuicated by the family - seen as liars and very, very bad people. No-one wants to admit what's been going on. Sadly, this only serves to protect the perpetrator from any form of punishment.

Surely the same arguement could be used to say homosexuality is a mental illness.

oh no, not this argument!!!!!!!!! by the way homosexuality was once classified as a mental illness, but no longer is. But let's not get off the topic at hand.

Mental illness in this case does not mean some raving lunatic who is unctrollable etc., most people don't realise the subtlety of mental illness - there are so MANY people in the world who are mentally ill and have NEVER been diagnosed....they are mentally unbalanced, they distort reality to such an extent to suit their purposes, there are many personality disorders that people no little about - but they are still a classifiable mental illness, and they in no way reduce the severity of their crime....
Giles  
13 Apr 2007 /  #20
What constitutes mentally ill, hell what constitues reality.

Not convinced, but then again I'm not particularly versed in mental illness, so you'll have to explain to me. Mentally unbalanced and mentally ill, surely thats two different things.

Quoting: Giles
Surely the same arguement could be used to say homosexuality is a mental illness.

This is not what I believe actually, I was merely putting it up there.
OP mamma mia  
13 Apr 2007 /  #21
What constitutes mentally ill,

in this case: an adult person who is sexually attracted to children and who engages them in sexual "activities" without feeling guilt or shame.

As for discussing what mental illness is, I can appreciate your question and interest. but believe me, it's a huge and complex topic, not suited to a forum....
Giles  
13 Apr 2007 /  #22
What constitutes mentally ill,

in this case: an adult person who is sexually attracted to children and who engages them in sexual "activities" without feeling guilt or shame.


Fair enough. But I'm sure many of these abusers, do feel remorse afterwards, I'm sure many feel shame and guilt, but the overide these feelings.

Surely not all abusers can be crazy.
LoneStranger 3 | 382  
13 Apr 2007 /  #23
How public is the issue in PL

I gave you my view already. Thats the best insight you can get (in my opinion :) ).
daffy 23 | 1,508  
13 Apr 2007 /  #24
I'm sure many of these abusers, do feel remorse afterwards

erm, im not so sure, if they did, look at the amount of repeat offenders, even those that were caught!!!

which suggests that those who are not caught keep doing it. Maybe they feel remorse but having no fear of being punished continue to satisfy themselves and destroy the life of the child.

Surely not all abusers can be crazy.

quite reasonable to assume i think. Its the coldest killers/offenders/criminals are the sane ones. the ones that 'rationalise' it. justify it. plan to get away with it.

then again there is also stupid sane people who are drunk lets say.

im very sure sane people do it. doesnt make it right all the same. and all the more reason to raise awareness to deter sane people from that path for fear of the consequences
Giles  
13 Apr 2007 /  #25
Imagine if we took all the serious sex offenders out of prisons in the UK and shot them, end of prison overcrowding:)
daffy 23 | 1,508  
13 Apr 2007 /  #26
well i think they're not the bulk of prison population but the penalty sounds right but i know my law abiding side says make them pay back what they took to society - for life. make them do something of benefit to the community. and i do feel its getting of lightly
i_love_detroit 1 | 69  
13 Apr 2007 /  #27
Ok, let me say about two thing.

First, to all people that accuse priest in Poland of abusing kids. How do you know that the problem is so big? It's so popular nowadays to criticaze church for everything. I can't see (almost) any parents concerned about their child's relations with priest. There were maybe 2-3 cases that actually were not handled properly by the church but that's about it.

Next, be extremaly careful when you accuse somebody of abusing kids. I work in two professions that are very often falsely accused of sexualy abusing kids: babysitting & teaching. Lately I talked to experienced teacher and he told me he knew a guy that was accused of abusing his students. He was fired and outcasted even though it turned out he was innocent.

But I don't want you to think that I think that the problem does not exist. It's a serious problem, and we (people) haven't really learnt yet how to deal with it. But I think either shooting/castrating these people is not a solution, but it's also trendy to say. We got to learn a way to prevent child abuse.
Giles  
13 Apr 2007 /  #28
I'm not saying that the RC has acted inappriatly in Poland, I haven't researched either way, yet. But the problem has cropped up in the UK, the USA and Down under
i_love_detroit 1 | 69  
13 Apr 2007 /  #29
It is what I am saying :). If a priest was unofficialy accused of abusing child (as I said there were a couple cases) he was just moved to another district. It's not a solution! If he was really abusing kids he should face consequences. If he was accused falsely than... well, why to move him to another district?

But the problem has cropped up in the UK, the USA and Down under

Which doesn't necessary mean it's a serious one in Poland...
Giles  
13 Apr 2007 /  #30
I've taken this from the Warsaw voice.

In Poland there is a customary acceptance of using physical violence against children. Nearly half of adult Poles can't imagine bringing up children without beating them.

Paradoxically, according to a survey conducted by the Dzieci Niczyje (Nobody's Children) Foundation in January, Poles support very stiff penalties for people who harm children by brutal beating or sexual abuse. Nearly 67 percent of the respondents said that parents who abuse their children deserve sentences of around 10 years in prison, while 61 percent feel that people should face around 16 years in prison for sexual abuse of children.


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