Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION)

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I was wondering about this myself. Homosexual behaviour is prevalent throughout the human race and apparently a number of animal ones too. The key issue is what can be defined as homosexual behaviour. Of course a bunch o leather chap wearing mustachioed musclemen getting a bum chain going in a nightclub is very homosexual but what about holding another man's hand, hugging another man or kissing him on the cheek? Or when someone like Wroclaw Boy admires another man's body at the gym, does that make him a botter? If he were living in parts of Asia, he could kiss another man without any comeback but if he did it in Poland or the Uk the chances are he'd attract the wrong sort of attention.

No, there is no such thing as homosexual people, there is only homosexual behaviour, which is in turn defined by one's society. The potential to act like a botter is in all of us but most don't do so because it is considered unacceptable.

The idea of genetically gay people and straight people is repellant. It relegates people with different habits to a different genetic class, usually a lower one.

That's very poststructuralist of you: no being; just becoming.


I think that two men in leather, grinding at a club and Wroclaw Boy admiring another man's body at the gym are actually the same thing. That is, neither "is" any more gay than the other or any less. Both are just activities that people engage in. There is no inherent homosexual behavior, but one type of society might classify Wroclaw Boy's behavior as gay, whereas another would not.

Yes. If people have a natural inclination to do this (i.e. they find men as opposed to women attractive) then it is perfectly natural. Humans have been doing this since... well forever... so why is it unatural?


I'm actually a black, disabled lesbian.


As opposed to telling stories about how a man sticks his penis in womens vagina? It's simple sex education.


It's just a fundamental lack of understanding. I genuinely think people are scared of what they don't know/understand.


The Romans and the Greeks loved it a bit of it.


People who find their own sex attractive? Whether this is manifested through homesexual behaviour is a another thing. I know gay people who are married with children... they are gay, they just don't want to admit it to society.

Why give a sh1t?

Mr Bubbles seems to have been reading Catholic Daily, I think he was joking with the above. In the eyes of the RCC, homosexuals are accepted but homosexual actions aren't. Hmm....

I agree with your sentiments Irons.

I couldnt agree more..

this has nothing to do with preparing your child for his or her future.


and so because you approve we are all supposed to say fek it, go teach my
children how to have children?

sex education is to teach children what can happen if they have sex, abstenence
is encouraged, but they also teach that if you do decide to have sex to have safe
sex.. its not supposed to teach how to have sex and who with.


why do you think its natural, because people have been doing it for centuries?
why didnt these people come out then long before and show the truth?
because it wasnt accepted, so therefore its not natural..or hasnt been
just like the history of lesbians and homosexuals..

people who are gay accept they are this way, but I have known people who have
been gay or homosexual and became heterosexual , and realized they werent gay at
all, but confused and maybe had low levels of testosterone, so they lack body hair
and such.. but went back to a normal heterosexual life.

and as for it being natural, well, if thats how its supposed to be, then we as a human
race would not be able to reproduce and die out, facts are facts .. men and women
have to be heterosexuals , we have to have children or we would not be here.

and Neither would those homosexuals, because it wasnt two homosexuals who
created life now was it!!!

the penis and the vagina go together not the poop shute and the penis!! the only thing
created there was dinner from three hours ago, and the only baby that comes out
of the backside doesnt talk unless his name is mr Hanky!!

ps.. not trying to offend the gay community, I dont think it should keep coming
up in conversation like this.. my private life as well as theirs shouldnt be the topic
of the day.. sexual preference is personal to me.. not a community effort thing
to make sure the whole world knows that so and so had sex with a male now lets
go bake some cookie. fek that, to each his own, but keep it private thats all.

Still, overpopulation is a growing concern in many parts of the world. If the number of gays rose to 50%, then alarm bells may sound. However, there are plenty heterosexual couples to keep the human race very much alive.

Nuclear power has far more devastating potential, believe me. Or famine.

yeah well.. I take your point, its more reasonable to me for someone to say
Im black and someone told me to move to the back of the bus and I said no

yeah I can agree to that, its showing strength,, because this person is made to feel
less then human for sitting on a bus..

someone comes up to me and says, well, Im gay.. I say ok..

im not going to make them move, or call them names,, but why tell me your gay?
I dont really care what your prefrence is at all.. it doesnt make me hate someone
so why tell me.. its not the same as the person who was black and told to move
on a visible basis.. visible to the eye.. because their skin is another color.. so its
something that cannot be controlled by their mouth, by choice they have to be
black, its how they were born, it is natural.. they dont have to announce Hey
IM black..

so this is my point, its fekin stupid, I dont have a problem with people being gay
or who they want.. I do have a problem with them wanting to make it a national
holiday though.

theres not heterosexual day, theres no I had sex with a man or woman day..
so I just get tired of seeing this crap on here, Im not intolerant, intolerant people
are people who physically hurt homosexuals, they follow them and hurt them
and I do have a problem with this.. I dont condone it, and certainly wouldnt dream
of harming or sabatoging anyone for his or her sexual preference..
and I have friends that are homosexual, so im not homophobic, Im not scared of them
or wont hug my friends. I love them dearly, and people should just leave it alone.

my only peeve is keep it to yourself.

Yeah, but people naturally celebrate differences. It's what gives them a greater sense of identity.

Still, sexuality is a private matter, I agree. I don't go to work and tell my (female) colleagues what I did the night before. It would be wrong. That's not what I'm there for.

I'm not into those gay parades at all, too many queens :( Still, I can turn a blind eye and respect their right to do it.

George and I are in complete agreement with you.

my husband was out driving a truck ( this was while back) he made a stop at a mall to
go take a crap.. hes in the bathroom trying to go, and he hears this noise in the next stall. so he looks up and theres another male looking over the other side of the stall at

him.. so he screams HEY.. and proceeds to chase this guy out of the bathroom , pants still hanging.. and stopped.. do you know how mad he was when he came home?

I cant respect them for not respecting others.. this is how they do things to find
other gay males, by going to public places and making signals and signs in the stalls
etc.. instead of going to a gay bar , where theres plenty of homosexual males and females to choose from, I cant turn a blind eye when you run into people who just

dont respect your privacy.. thats just way to much to ask for in my opinion.

and it happens to this day.. if you demand respect as a gay community, it should be
given.. and its not.

then they wonder why other males act out these hate crimes.. its unacceptable
behavior..

Ps.. when he told me I did laugh, not at the fact of the guy being gay, at the fact
that he didnt pull up his drawers first then proceed to chase him.. lol

That was just wrong what that guy did. Plainly perverse. Poland may have the potential for that. So many toilets here have highly translucent windows (bordering on transparent some of them) and an absence of locks.

I can imagine how enraged he was.

OH I had to calm him for hours.. it was not a good night ..

but then after a while, I got him to laugh, reminding him that he forgot to wipe.. LOL

Nothing like stereotyping eh Pat... I agree it's shameful, I mean you rarely see this sort of depravity in the heterosexual community! Still, I guess a good old fashioned lynching is what they deserve.

The racist thread.

Homosexuals are not a race.

you know what I mean, I wasnt totally clear on my posts?


yeah , women going into bathrooms where men are taking a crap and watching them
thats so sexy.. hmmmmmmm..


where? I did say if they want respect then it should be given, hows that sterotyping?
it is what it is.. if they want to have a relationship with a male or female , like I said
keep it to yourself.. dont tell us the details.. I dont care.. really.. just like my sexual
preference isnt a care to them.. of course it isnt.. so fekin what right??


I totally agree.. Im not the perpatrator, but I did join the discussion..

guilty.

Sorry if I misunderstood, but it appeared as if you were suggesting that this is normal behaviour for the average homosexual! I was just making the point that whilst some homosexuals like to meet up in toilets or hang around Clapham Common late at night, there are also heterosexual couples who enjoy dogging, and heterosexual men who happily expose themselves to young girls in parks.

You obviously believe that sexuality and therefore acts of affection are a private thing... that you should not make outward gestures which are an indication of your sexuality. I trust that this preference is not exclusive to homosexuals?

so why do I care? I dont.. my point.. just dont push the I want respect thing as it
stands if a young man exposed himself to my children I would pour acid on his prick.

do you think this deserves respect? just as it doesnt if they look over a stall at
another man looking for something.. so this gets your approval?
fek that, I will smash their teeth in for invading my privacy..

If I was a officer of the law I would haul them all away for invasion of privacy..
if people think this is natural behavior, you have a brain fart!

when im takin a dump, leave me alone.. its a public area, bathroom. so do
they expect people to be ok with allowing them to look at your privates while
doing your business?

BULLshyt!

as for them hanging around these places.. this sends a message. so if you have
to go pee, you will not even want to use these bathrooms because of course the
risk of catching something cause someone had sex on the toilet..

and all of this gets your smiling approval..

whatever!! its called,, get a motel!!

Generally speaking, the men who frequent public toliets or invade the privacy of other non-participatory men are not out gay males. They are usually closet cases with other issues and in some cases not even gay. People who expose themselves to others are not limited to gays males or even men for that matter, and are more often straight.


OK, so you're going to haul them "all" away now, for the actions of a few. Who exactly is this "all", and how are you going to know? Should we haul away "all" stupid people based on the ignorant comments of a few?

those who think its ok to invade privacy.. thats what I said. yeah.

all who frequent a bathroom which someone is taking a dump.. am I wrong?
I didnt say the whole population of gays.. WTF.

quote calicoe:Generally speaking, the men who frequent public toliets or invade the privacy of other non-participatory men are not out gay males.

your kidding right?

one of my exs brother in laws was/is gay, he goes to these places,.. the mall is
where they meet to find other gays and theres certain things they do to get response
if someone walks into a stall and theres a sign, if they do it, then the other male knows
and if they dont , they know this guys straight, as for women I dont know .. I dont
care really, but theres many things they do, like go to the parks and sit and thats how
my ex's brother got almost killed because he thought the wrong people were gay and
they beat his arse.

No, I'm not kidding, but your response elaborates and clarifies a bit. My point is that out gay men have their own signals within their community, of others who participate in anonymous pick-ups. However, looking over the stall at your husband was out of line, and not necessarily the "norm" of out gay men.

But, thank you for clarifying your response. I appreciate it.

I understand their need to be who they are.. I dont have a problem with this.

a public bathroom to me is like the lowest place someone can go to have sex.
if someone was to take me to this type of place. I would stuff his penis down
the toilet.. ( thats being nice).. sorry folks if it sounds like I am not being open
minded.. its not the case at all. its called morals.. I dont care if your gay or not
at least have some decency and respect for yourself as well as others..

and especially for children. during the day children are with parents at the malls.
if a young boy goes into a stall and some sick freak whos lookin for a lay peeks
over the top. imagine the media on that one.. people would hunt him down..


in discussions sometimes things dont come out as intended.
your welcome and thank you for again understanding the point. :)

If homosexuals are a genetically distinct population, why hasn't natural selection removed them from the breeding pool over the past couple of million years?

There are no 'homosexuals'. People engage in homosexual behaviour. It's not necessarily their active 'choice' but someone who honestly transfers sexual feelings to another member of their own sex is merely responding to nurture, not nature.

If you have some secret information you've been hiding that confirms the gentic identity of gay people then please share it with us on the forum. Until then, meditate on this:

And the moon is one big illusion, right? Only visible to those on coke???

Irons feels more strongly than I do about homosexuals stemming from nature. Sorry, some see it as a genetic aberration. I see it as part of the process of diversity, a fact of life.

There are no homosexuals, that's absolute nonsense!! Of course there are.

I have to agree with Seanus here.

Plus MrBubbles posted that dreadful song, so he lost some points there :)

So the Homosexual race will soon be extinct if the men choose never to have sex with women.
How much is a passport to Lesbania?.

All of this is completely off topic, The racist thread.

The presence of the moon can be deduced scientifically or mathematically. Now kindly post some scientific proof that 'gays' are genetically distinct from 'straights'.

Or do we have a problem with the idea that you might not be as straight as you thought you were? Maybe you're worried that one day when drunk you might visit a club like the blue oyster wearing leather chaps and start dancing to Bronski beat with another confused man? Maybe you're worried that when you kissed your Dad, that made you a homo?


I'm getting there. The reasoning will become clear m'lud.


I disagree. Sheep believes that Gays constitute a genetically distinct race to straights, ergo discrimination against Gays is tantamount to racial discrimination from his point of view. However, if homosexuality is nothing more than a form of behaviour, conscious or not, then I concede I am off topic, sheep is wrong and you can push this in the gay bin.

Here is a discussion about homosexuals.

As I remember it was quite interesting.

Eh, no. Simply, they are gay people, nothing to do with race. You have drawn weird and totally abstract parallels.

So it is a preference then. Thank you

Geez lad, it is mental programming. Sorry, I don't prefer to be heterosexual, I just am. I couldn't be gay if I tried.

Where'd he say that?.

I am still annoyed with you MrBubbles, for posting such a terrible song that is now stuck in my ea'd.


Don't knock it till you've tried it ;)