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Kashubia, Kashebe and Kashubians. . .


scarbyirp  
30 May 2008 /  #1
I was wondering, what is the general impression of Polish people about Kashubians?
pawian 176 | 14,299  
30 May 2008 /  #2
My impression is very positive. Last year we went to Kashuby region for summer holidays and it was great. Yes, it`s true they have their different language, but the culture seems more or less the same.

Besides, I remember from the books I have read about WW2 that most Kashubians considered themselves Polish and refused to become Volksdeutsche.
OP scarbyirp  
30 May 2008 /  #3
Most of them sided with the Polish in WWII and at lot of them paid a heavy price for it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piasnica_Wielka

Unfortunately, their traditional homeland was slap bang in the middle of the Polish Corridor, and this territory was always historically disputed between Prussia (Germany) and Poland. However, there were a few kashubs, like Gunter Grass who did fight with the Nazi's.

I think for sure that they consider themselves both Polish and Kashubian. The language is an interesting mix though, with definitely some Germanic influences.

Regarding cultural differences, breaking lots of glass the night before a wedding and beating each other with birches at Easter rank as good ones!
pawian 176 | 14,299  
30 May 2008 /  #4
Most of them sided with the Polish in WWII and at lot of them paid a heavy price for it. URL

Yes, we were there too and saw the monument.

Unfortunately, their traditional homeland was slap bang in the middle of the Polish Corridor, and this territory was always historically disputed between Prussia (Germany) and Poland. However, there were a few kashubs, like Gunter Grass who did fight with the Nazi's.

You mean, they fought on Nazis` side. But Gunter Grass seems a true German to me, doesn`t he? Did he ever consider himself Kashub?

Regarding cultural differences, breaking lots of glass the night before a wedding and beating each other with birches at Easter rank as good ones!

I didn`t know about those customs.
OP scarbyirp  
30 May 2008 /  #5
But Gunter Grass seems a true German to me, doesn`t he? Did he ever consider himself Kashub?

I believe so

Although the Kashubians have lived between and among two great nations - the Poles and the Germans - they have always been conscious of their Kashubian souls... the Nobel laureate, Gunther Grass, despite being a German citizen, proudly calls himself a Kashubian

muzeum-kaszubskie.gda.pl/eng.html
osiol 55 | 3,922  
30 May 2008 /  #6
Beating eachother with birch? For fun?

Ladies and gentlemen! We have found Europe's kinkiest region.

The language is an interesting mix though, with definitely some Germanic influences

The Kashubian language usually seems to be defined as a language, ranking it alongside Polish, Sorbian, Czech and Slovak rather thn just a dialect. How many people actually speak it though? How many now speak Polish, and how many German as their main language?

It seems that the Polish language has Germanic influences too - at seemingly every available opportunity, Polish has been influenced by Germanic, Latin, French, English...
Franek 8 | 271  
30 May 2008 /  #7
So what is so kinky about striking each other with birch branches, As long as I can remember that we too struck our ciotkas with willow branches on Easter monday ( DYNGUS). For this we rec eived a few pennies.. I was taught that this was a common practice in Poland.
Lori 4 | 118  
30 May 2008 /  #8
I live in Minnesota and this is a place where many Kashubians came. There is a book available entitled The Kashubian Community of Southeast Minnesota.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
30 May 2008 /  #9
Being a coastal people, does the salt of the sea run through Kashub veins?

Here's a map for your educational enjoyment.
plk123 8 | 4,150  
31 May 2008 /  #10
beating each other with birches at Easter rank as good ones!

that's actually an old pagan tradition not just kashubian. they retained it better then others.

sweet map osiol
WooPee 1 | 124  
13 Jan 2009 /  #11
I was wondering, what is the general impression of Polish people about Kashubians?

Very positive. I've been in Gdynia and Gdansk during the summer and found some Kashubian station in the radio. I was listening the station for the next hour trying to understand what they are talking about.. Didn't work out.

As I heard our prime minister is Kashubian.

Anyone know do they use Kashubian language on the public signs out there?
osiol 55 | 3,922  
13 Jan 2009 /  #12
As I heard our prime minister is Kashubian.

I've seen conflicting opinions about this. I think it was someone on PF who said that his family originally came from the old east of Poland. The Holy Wikipedia claims he is Kashubian. Holy in this case is an abbreviation of "not wholly accurate".
WooPee 1 | 124  
13 Jan 2009 /  #13
They should have some representative in the government.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
13 Jan 2009 /  #14
But Gunter Grass seems a true German to me, doesn`t he? Did he ever consider himself Kashub?

I noticed that some Gerries hide their Gerrism and call themselves Kashubian, Pommeranian, Silesian etc.

How many people actually speak it though?

50-100k but It's hard to say for how many of them that's really the main language. Even in Kashubia It is something like Irish in Ireland.

They should have some representative in the government.

? They vote like any other citizens. Why should they have any special rights ?
osiol 55 | 3,922  
13 Jan 2009 /  #15
In an ideal democracy, they would naturally have a similar proportion of representation in government to their proportion of the population as a whole. It's only when minorities are repressed or seriously dwindling that these sorts of ideas normally become an issue. I see it as preferable that no group needs "positive discrimination".

Gerrism

New word added to Osiol's English dictionary.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
13 Jan 2009 /  #16
What about Jewism ? I thought It exists but some say It doesn't...
osiol 55 | 3,922  
13 Jan 2009 /  #17
Can't say I've really heard of it. Let's stay on topic though. Neither have I heard of Kashubism. Gerrism has a certain ring to it though.

It's a bit odd how -ism can have two opposing meanings. I think it stems from racism, stemming from racialism, meaning the belief or practice of racially-based thinking or policy.

Anyway, Kashubs Kashubs Kashubs... I like Kashub nuts. Very tasty - like a high quality peanut.

More seriously, a little history wouldn't go amiss here. Poles of the sea?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
13 Jan 2009 /  #18
Kashubs were one of groups, which created Poland but later for long time were outside of the mainstream and also under Germanic influence, so now have a bit different culture, customs and seriously different language. Vast majority think about themselves as a sub-group of Poles but some as a separated nationality...
mafketis 24 | 9,117  
13 Jan 2009 /  #19
I spent a few days around Kościerzyna some years ago. All I heard anyone speak was Polish (local variety but obviously Polish). A book store had exactly one book in Kaszubian which looked like Polish with some simple modifications.

A friend who'd lived in the area said that a lot of the time people (in Polish) used a weird past tense ( IIRC byłem pojechany instead of pojechałem for example).

Also an article on ethnic separatism I read a couple of years ago mentioned the Kashubians as an unsuccessful example. Although some locals tried to create a separate ethnic identity the Kashubians mostly rejected it, preferring to be Polish. Moravians in the Czech republic are another example of a group that declined to become a separate ethnic group.
ladykangaroo - | 165  
14 Jan 2009 /  #20
beating each other with birches at Easter

Juniper, to be precise. And you absolutely rock if you wake up early enough to slap bare feet of sleeping family members with juniper birches :D

The Holy Wikipedia

Try this:
csb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prz%C3%A9dn%C3%B4_starna

Znóny lëdze pòchôdający z Kaszëbsczi (w dzysdniowëch greńcach), abò z nią zrzeszony

* Günter Grass - runita
* Gerard Labuda - dzejownik
* Czesław Lang - kòłownik
* Paul Nipkow - wënalôzôrz
* Janusz Reiter - diplomata
* Danuta Stenka - aktorka
* Donald Tusk - pòlitikôrz
* Edmund Wnuk-Lipiński - socjologa
* Andrzej Wroński - bartkòwnik
* Rafał Mohr - aktór
* Józef Rogala Wybicki - ùsôdzca słowów "Mazurka Dąbrowskiego" (pòlsczégò nôrodnégò himna)

* Andrzej Lepper - pòlitikôrz
* Ryszard Krauze - biznesman
* Marta Żmuda-Trzebiatowska - aktorka
* Maciej Miecznikowski - spiewôk
* Roman Paszke - żéglôrz
* Jarosław Sellin - pòlitikôrz
* Sylwia Gruchała - florecëstka
* Klemens Bronk - pòlitikôrz, zakłôdôrz TOW Gryf Kaszubski /Gryf Pomorski
* Andrzej Bronk - filozófa z KUL
* Thomas Kantzow - runita, dzejopisôrz
WooPee 1 | 124  
14 Jan 2009 /  #21
? They vote like any other citizens. Why should they have any special rights ?

Yeah, you're right. That was stupid.

Try this:

I must say I understand that text fully! It's much easer to understand Kashubian reading it them than listen to them.. ;)
littlemissbossy - | 1  
20 Jan 2009 /  #22
I am 100% Kashubian and lived in the Kaszuby area for 25 years :)
Maybe some people beat other with birch twigs for easter but i have never experienced it myself. And yeah, the one before a wedding everyone gathers at the bride's place to break some glass on her house's doorstep. It's followed by a small party, full of food and vodka and is always loads of fun :)

You cannot find it in any other regions of Poland.
Kashubian has lots of German influence as it had been a part of Prussia for years.
Kashubians however have always thought of themselves as Poles and never attempted to create a separate country.
In some places road signs are written both in Polish and Kashubian, and the language is being taught at school as well.
If you have any qs, feel free to ask :)
PainBrush - | 5  
17 Jun 2009 /  #23
Just found this site , great information .

Hello littlemissbossy , I LOVE bossy women , & Kashubbies are the boss !hahah
I'm not fluent in Polski or kashub but I try ,.......
Dahme Buji (?) przynosić dużo piwo i pocałunki (?)

& Yeah those Kashub pagan customs are kind of wild .
My 3 brothers & stepfather are half-Kashub/Pomeranes and they have a different variation from the customs you all mention above . They FIRST decide to have a party (for any occasion or holiday or misfortune or sports game or when the sun goes down ) - Then AFTER they drink lots of Vodka , they break a lot of glass , and THEN they beat each other & anyone else around with birch , juniper , myrtle , oak , pine , it doesn't matter - they'll beat you with any kind of wood they can find . ( It's that Goth blood !! ) Then they climb into their sled & the reindeers fly them home .

(means : the police come & take everyone away !)

NA ZDAROVY !!!!!!

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