Culture & Women

They probably do,but one drunken shaved headed arsehole looks much the same as anyother.....

Ok then smart arse.did the British do away with sati or not? Did they outlaw such practices or not? Sorry but you kinda prove a point I wasnt trying to make...ie that under British administration the ancient savage ways were done away with and made illegal...however since 1947 and independance those nasty habits have crept back,like sati,and dalits etc etc......

Oh,and BTW mali,if you hate colonialism so much,what the hell are you,a white girl ,doing living in Canada....surely you should kiss some native arse then toot sweet set off for europe.......

Yes they 'outlawed' it, but it hasn't stopped. I never said it was the fault of the British. You're the smart one that declared that the oh so civilized British made sure that the savagery in India stopped.


Luckily, I don't live in Canada as a Native, where neo-colonialism is present.
I have nothing wrong with the British at all, but lets not go around saying that they were there to get rid of savagery in India. Colonialism is completely barbaric and savage. Do you really want me to dig up articles of what the British colonialists did in many countries that was savage? Are you really so blindly patriotic that you refuse to see the ugliness that was caused by colonialism in many countries?

No,but friggin moaning minnies like you seem to think none of us here know how feked up Empires and colonialism was. Hows about a bit of balance?


yes,my point on the friggin nose,Britain hasnt been "in charge" in india since 1947,so complaing that sati goes on today is hardly the "fault" of Britain is it??

Can you pick out one post where I have said the empire was a completly marvelous thing? Bet you cant.What you can pick out is balance.........shame imature rabble rousers dont have the same balance.....Do you think india would be the power house up and coming nation it is now without the history and ties to the west it has,really and truthfully?


No,but you are a white girl living off the benafits of colonialism arnt you.........so,get a grip and open your eyes love.

you know that you argument lucks legs to stand on. There is no excuse for colonization and coming up with "we saved the savages from themselves" excuse or rather justification, is something no one belives anymore.

umm....you are a very confused person. You need to learn to read in chronological order.
1. I said in response to another post about 'backwards' traditions in Japan that there is widow burning in some parts of India.
2. You said that there isn't because the British Empire got rid of all that savagery.
3. I argued with you that the Empire did not do away with the savagery because colonialism itself is a form of savagery.
4. You argued that because the British outlawed it a long time ago that it stopped under British rule and crept back when the Brits left. (btw, what happened to Westphalia, self-determination and all that jazz?)

And so on..


Thanks Miranda for being the voice of logic!

Ok then,girls,which country would you rather live in,the country where women are the property of men or the country that outlaws such a practice?

I can argue that patriarchy exists almost everywhere. Women are oppressed in both the global South as well as the North.

I'm perfectly happy living in Canada. However, I'm not going to pretend that Canada doesn't have an ugly history. Canada has been doing especially well since deciding to update the Charter in 1982. :)

You have to remember that Canada, the US and Australia are exceptions to colonial pasts where they were able to bounce back economically. (Also Japan which was a US colony for a short period of time)

Now thats a tough one....

Love it,Im,if you dont know me,totally behind both yours and mirandas statements :) I'll be honest,I was trolling,hoping to bring out some real Empire lovers just to shoot 'em down.

What I will say is that,undoubtedly Empire brought many benifits as well as many bad points. There is no point in looking back on history with a modern judgemental attitude. For instance,The British in the Sudan in the 1880's and 90s were there on a "christian mission" to free the slaves. Of course now it would be seen as interfearing with a soverign nations right to self determination as witnessed by darfur.

you make it sound as if there is a black and white choice here. We live where we live and I express opinions about the fact that just because women were badly treated in India, there is no valid justifcation to invade any country because of that. India was not invaded in order to protect women's righ, but because of the fact that its cotton industry was a competition to the English cotton industry So, please spare me those argumetns about defending democracy and women's rights ,which seems to be a seeling point for post- colonial practices of Wester countries. It doesn't even look good on teh paper and people who are half-intelligent can figure out the fake ideology behind those practices.

As for torando's observation about the girl who didn't punch the guy when he was offensive - well, it might have something to do with teh culture she was rised in, which in this case in Eastern European and I for some reason those cultures seem to tolerate men who are drunk and are not suppose to be taken seriously.

If it was me, I would tell him off and walk away. Everybody is different.

you got a point there.

You had me worried there....

Don't forget the tea, Miranda!

I missed that class;) Damn.

or how about the opium wars ? invade china because they didnt want to buy british opium...........
or ,hey,lets see,who was the first to Gas the Kurds in Iraq? Saddam? Nope.Winston Churchill........
To all non Brits I would just like to point out what is taught about the British empire in our schools(or was 15 odd years ago :) ). namely, Ghandi,and how great a chap he was and how horrible the nasty English were. So,dont be deluded into thinking we all sit around wearing panama hats and safari suits waiting desperetly for a second chance at turning one 3rd of the map pink again :)


well,lets look at the facts,the Indian maharajas invited the british east india company to expand their influence and help fight the less enlightened French and Portugeese east india companies.Dont kid yourself into thinking anything was Black and white.It wasnt.

Another example,the 1950s,the Kenya,the Mau Mau uprisers were crushed rather energetically by the British and other Kenyans.Why,because the Mau Mau were slaughtering non kikuyu tribes.These days its painted as evil white man being nasty to poor black men,when in fact it was evil black men being nasty to poor black men with white men picking sides later on.

yes, Indochina


OK, why do I get the impression that there are still strong sentiments about this period of British history. Is is because it is gone and never coming back and it is something to lean on, when times are hard and tehe Queen still spends tons of pounds on tea parties and such, insted of spending it on education etc?

erm,no Indochine was a french colony...........

er,obviously the answer is yes,just as all countries hark on about so called past "glories" or what not......Of course there are fools who think the sun shone outa the empires arse,just as there are Poles who look back on their poxy little empire in the Ukraine etc as some sort of glory days.


Ok,er,lets look at this,Im personaly a republican( in the non GWB way lol) but is the Queen,our titular head of states spending any more obscene than the amounts spent on presidental retreats or motercades or bloody airforce 1? Im sure the millions wasted by all heads of state would be better served by plowing it back to the people but,ehem,not gonna happen is it?

oh, OK;)


abslolutely and the receant Polish president seem to score some points bringing out the past glory of Polish history. Past is the past and it ain't coming back.


I don't know. I was just asking, since I have never been to Briatain and I make my observations based on what I read and observe, even on this forum.

lol,dont use this forum as a measure.If I did I would think Poland was full of self pitying ,whinging anti semite homaphobes who alternatly either won ww2 for the rest of us or lost because of the rest of us and are either the hardest nation on earth or poor little poland always done over......;)

well, you know what I mean what I said. I am not that naive, just paying attention to what I read, but would never base my opinion fully on PF. having an influx of Poles working in Britain as guest workers is indeed a sign of post-colonialism/globalization and advanced capitalism in your country. Using cheap labour and trying to put British people agiainst Polish?/eastern european workers as it has happemend many times keeps both disadvantaged groups in the government's politics control;) with the capitalistic system benefiting the most. I know that I am simpyfying things here but I just like to make it accessible to those who are not used to critical thinking:)

Sorry M', you give our politicions way too much credit,they are far too dumb to have thought as deeply as you. I rather imagine they simply didnt have a clue just how many peeps would come here.........and why should they have,before 04 even record numbers were leaving here :)