Capitalization of Cie, Ciebie, and others

Hi again,

I noticed that words like Ciebie, Cie, Ty, etc are capitalized in certain contexts, such as part of a phrase that I sometimes see written as "dla Ciebie." Other times, those words are not capitalized, and I'm slightly confused as to when this should be done. If anyone would explain this, I'd be very appreciative. :)

Dziękuję! :D

They should always be written with a capital letter, poles just often don't care about this grammatic rule ;)

Not at all.
You capitalise these words when you care about/like/respect the person you're writing to. Usually in personal letters.

@ Jova

Wrong. "Cie", "Ciebie" should be always written with a capital letter.

Who told you this, young man? :)
Take a random book - are the pronouns capitalised? Naaaah.

Jova is right. Man, I'm not Polish so I feel cheeky correcting u but u r wrong.

Kocham cie is absolutely fine. How can u not know such basic things?

you can see how some Poles try to use this rule in English, saying i love You, or how are You doing?. In Polish the capitalization of these words is reserved for personal letters and messages only, and also in some formal letters you write Państwo/Pan/Pani (as in Szanowni Państwo, Szanowny Panie, Szanowna Pani) using a capital letter at the beginning, to show respect and be polite. In books or magazines you will not see Cię, but cię and so on. what i have also noticed, some people write Ja (I) starting off with a capital letter, as if they were copying the English language (or showing just how much respect and love they have for themselves lol).

This is correct, although you will find capitalized pronouns in official publications where they address specific audience.

The rules have more to do with culture than grammar. Indeed, capitalized Ty, Wy etc. will express the respect we may feel towards someone, but sometimes it will also reflect on us.

eh whatever ;), my bad then.

You capitalize Ty, Ciebi, Was etc. in:

-letters (including e-mails)
-on the Internet forums and chat. Many people don't but it is not too polite

In other words, when you address someone directly in writing.

In books (e.g. in dialogues), they are not capitalized, because the writer does not address anyone. In cases the author does address the reader directly in narration ("Now, dear children, I will tell you what the princess did..."), not to be confused with a 1st. pers. narrator addressing a fictional listener, second person pronouns are usually capitalized.

I'm relatively polite (and old) and I never capitalize Cię/Ciebie/Tobie/Ty except in dedications (for example when giving someone a present with a hand written note). Guess I'm just rude :)

I'm young and relatively impolite but I always do, and people with whom I communicate in writing (usually young) do as well. Maybe a generation gap or something?

Polish friends who write to me frequently capitalise 'You', even in the most informal contexts

Are People Tending To Capitalise More Initial Letters These Days, less, or just the same?

Hi acrimon,

All these forms, i.e. Cie/Ciebie/Ty/Twoj/Twoja/Twoi/Twoje/Wasz/Wasze/Wasi should be capitalized according to a capitalization rule of Polish (see Polish grammar/punctuation/capitalization). It's actually considered a grammatical mistake if you don't.

We do not capitalize adjectives like polski/hiszpanski/amerykanski/niemiecki etc. which in are capitalized in English. That would be Polish/Spanish/American/German respectively.

Now, the language is evolving and certain linguistic rules/trends might be modified. Plus, formal vs. informal writing should be considered as well.

I even capitalize the words "Mamo" and "Tato" (mom and dad) in letters or on postcards as an expression of the utmost respect for my parents. But I also know some people who don't do that.

G.

:)

No, it's not. It is considered an orthographic error, and only under some circumstances. After all, an expression of respect, or lack of it, has little to do with grammar.

One thing is certain: if you address someone as pan/pani in a formal letter, then pan/pani has to be capitalized.