History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

Pilsudki,
You're obviously an idiot. For the benefit of the others...
These quotes of Sharon are phony. There is no way that he ever said that about raping Arab girls and there is no record of any Israeli soldiers raping any arab girls. We also don't poison the wells or make matza out of christian kids or worship the devil, and we don't have horns. Pilsudski is pathetically gullible if he believes that nonsense, and whoever made it up is sick in the head.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]


Who is Ariel Ben Sharon?
Maybe you mean Ariel Sharon. Where's your source for that quote?
What was the context, maybe it was about France?

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]


I think the Israel-Palestinian issue should be left for other forums. But just as a short reply: 1. Jews on the whole aren't interested in getting access to former homes in Poland. It's a non-issue since no one plans on going there to settle.

2. There weren't 3 million palestinians in the world when Israel was established.
3. The central part of palestine was declared by the UN as an Arab state, but they never declared independence because Jordan and Egypt took it over. In 67 Jordan Egypt and Syria tried to destroy Israel and they lost the rest of palestine in the fighting. Israel offered to give the conquered land to Palestinians to establish a peaceful state, but they refused the deal. I think they are more interested in revenge than independence.

4. Most palestinians live under the rule of the palestinian authority. The refugee issue could have been solved long ago if they wanted to, by compensation and settling in Jordan which was historically part of palestine anyway.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

Human nature, as you say. I have a lot to say about that, but the thing with the Arabs is for another forum altogether.

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I agree that any group that is hated might be partly to blame. In fact Jewish writers in the 19th and 20th century had all kinds of ideas of what Jews shoul be doing to stop people from hating them. But after a while they realized that no matter whether they assimilated or not, spoke Polish or Russian or german, dress like their Christian neighbors and ate the same food, were nationalists, communists or traditionalists - it made no difference. Jews can't remain Jews in some else's country. That conclusion is what led to political Zionism. The idea was that if we want to live as Jews, we have to live in our own country. And that's what happened. Unfortunately, most Jews waited too long.

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I don't raise the german issue because the role of the germans in killing Jews is so obvious that there's nothing to discuss. The germans don't deny it. We also have no argument with the Poles that the germans are the perpetrators - nobody claims that the holocaust was done by the Poles. The discussion between Jews and Poles is about the relationship between two ethnic-religious groups that lived in the same country for hundreds of years, sometimes in harmony, but more often with hostility and suspicion. It's an interesting topic and it has a lot of emotional baggage.

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No such thing as Polish attitudes toward Jews? Look around this forum. Look at your own posts.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

I'm not a victim. I don't live in Poland so it doesn't affect me if Poles hate me or not. It has no importance. But i am interested in Polish history and Jewish-Polish history, and I think it's fascinating how Polish attitudes towards Jews has nothing to do with actual Jews. Most of the things you think you know about us have no connection to reality.

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In one post you say on the one hand that jews can live in poland, like there's no problem, and on the other hand you complain about "those damn commie Jews" that are still in poland. Your bigotry is so obvious it makes you look ridiculous.

Here's a bit of news: We have a country, Israel, and we don't need your permission to live there. We certainly don't need your permission to live in Poland, because no Jew is interested in moving to Poland.

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"Ashkenaz" in the Bible meant some other european or turkish ethnic group. But in the middle ages it was used by Jews to refer to the german areas and the rhineland. In those days there were three main areas of jewish communities: germany-france (called "ashkenaz") , Spain (called "sefarad") and Iraq (called "bavel" or babylon). There were Jews in many other places too, but these were the main centers.

Ashkenazi jews of today descend from the jews of france and germany who migrated eastward to bohemia, poland, lthuania and the rest of eastern europe. The khazars were much further east and their civilization had nothing to do with "ashkenazim".

People use the "Khazar" argument to deligitimize jews living in Israel. My question to this argument is: Do you want us to live in Poland or germany? Polish people always told Jews to "go back to palestine". We did. So what are you compaining about now?