bellzii
12 Apr 2008
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
How versus can be taken out of context, just like they do with the Quran
How versus can be taken out of context, just like they do with the Quran
bellzii
30 Mar 2008
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Lukasz , I appreciate u replying to my message, thats a bright light at last towards some civilized talks.I just wanted to clear somethings
Allah is not a special god of muslims , its just the arabic translation of the world god thats it.
Theres alot behind these rules, most have a rational explanation and others its falls under the ceiling of obeying gods laws
islam welcomes freedom whether freedom when ur a nonmuslim or as a muslim under gods limits
Im a muslim and i will choose my wife, and she has to have the same feeling towards me. Islam forbids forcing women for choosing a specific bride.
Lukasz , I appreciate u replying to my message, thats a bright light at last towards some civilized talks.I just wanted to clear somethings
Allah is right
Allah is not a special god of muslims , its just the arabic translation of the world god thats it.
second wifes, or shiria law, or mariages with teens, stoning people.
Theres alot behind these rules, most have a rational explanation and others its falls under the ceiling of obeying gods laws
freedom will be over
islam welcomes freedom whether freedom when ur a nonmuslim or as a muslim under gods limits
polish courts they use Polish law their dauthers choose their husbands.
Im a muslim and i will choose my wife, and she has to have the same feeling towards me. Islam forbids forcing women for choosing a specific bride.
bellzii
30 Mar 2008
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Here is the part of the quran , u read and judge
Surat Baqarah
190. And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.
191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
192.But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Theres volumes explaining this so if any1's interested id be glad to pass them on.
Just a note to all ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN THROWING SOME VERSUS OF THE QURAN ; WITH JUST THE INTENTION TO SHOW ISLAM AS A HORRIBLE MONSTER AND HOW BLOOD THIRSTY MUSLIMS ARE OR SHOULD BE. ALL THESE CUT AND PASTE VERSUS ARE CLEAR IF U READ THE VERSUSES BEFORE IT AND AFTER IT AND MANY SCHOLARS HAVE PUBLISHED VOLUMES FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU(those who try to trick ppl)
The prophet mohamed peace be upon him and all the other messengers ; never said he was jesus nor an angel, nor did he say im god or worship me.
read the prophet mohameds prophecies and u'll discover the truth
islamhouse.com/p/51912
islam101.com/religions/christianity/mBible.htm
There is alot.
ONE LAST CLEAR MESSAGE TO ALL
WE MUSLIMS CAN NOT CONVERT OR FORCE SOMEONE TO ISLAM AS STATED IN THE QURAN " 256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower."
WHAT WE CAN DO IS SHOW THE WAY , AND EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE , CUZ ITS ONLY YOU WHO WILL DECIDE UR DESTINY IN THE HEREAFTER
I HOPE I HAVENT OFFENDED ANYONE AND I THINK ITS ENOUGH JUST ARGUING AND LET US TRY TO FIND SOME COMMON BASES AND START FROM THERE
Muhammed never said to kill all non-believers???? Is the Koran lying then?
Here is the part of the quran , u read and judge
Surat Baqarah
190. And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.
191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
192.But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Theres volumes explaining this so if any1's interested id be glad to pass them on.
Just a note to all ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN THROWING SOME VERSUS OF THE QURAN ; WITH JUST THE INTENTION TO SHOW ISLAM AS A HORRIBLE MONSTER AND HOW BLOOD THIRSTY MUSLIMS ARE OR SHOULD BE. ALL THESE CUT AND PASTE VERSUS ARE CLEAR IF U READ THE VERSUSES BEFORE IT AND AFTER IT AND MANY SCHOLARS HAVE PUBLISHED VOLUMES FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU(those who try to trick ppl)
"Jesus answered them, 'Watch out that no one misleads you. For many will come in my name, saying, "I am the Christ,"
The prophet mohamed peace be upon him and all the other messengers ; never said he was jesus nor an angel, nor did he say im god or worship me.
"Beware of false prophet
read the prophet mohameds prophecies and u'll discover the truth
islamhouse.com/p/51912
islam101.com/religions/christianity/mBible.htm
There is alot.
ONE LAST CLEAR MESSAGE TO ALL
WE MUSLIMS CAN NOT CONVERT OR FORCE SOMEONE TO ISLAM AS STATED IN THE QURAN " 256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower."
WHAT WE CAN DO IS SHOW THE WAY , AND EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE , CUZ ITS ONLY YOU WHO WILL DECIDE UR DESTINY IN THE HEREAFTER
I HOPE I HAVENT OFFENDED ANYONE AND I THINK ITS ENOUGH JUST ARGUING AND LET US TRY TO FIND SOME COMMON BASES AND START FROM THERE
bellzii
30 Mar 2008
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Muhammed was only a messenger like jesus,moses,abraham and david, they all had one message, which is worshiping god and obeying his orders.
100% a lie , muslim to christianity converts are very little
WHILE MUHAMMED IS THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM
Muhammed was only a messenger like jesus,moses,abraham and david, they all had one message, which is worshiping god and obeying his orders.
667 Muslims convert to Christianity
100% a lie , muslim to christianity converts are very little
bellzii
22 Mar 2008
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Why is it that ur studying the misquoted and as they say "cut and paste method" with the quran?Where do they teach you these verses.
Strangely with all these misleading information , islam is still and will always be the fastest growing religion despite all those misconception thrown on it
THATS SO STRANGE
Qur’an:9:5
Why is it that ur studying the misquoted and as they say "cut and paste method" with the quran?Where do they teach you these verses.
Strangely with all these misleading information , islam is still and will always be the fastest growing religion despite all those misconception thrown on it
THATS SO STRANGE
bellzii
21 Mar 2008
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
How pathetic !!!!!
How easy is it to make a website with my own (with different names ofcourse) testimonials saying islam says that and that........all the rubbish things they say...
No one really knows what islam is? and strangley no one wants to know about islam from a practicing muslim, its just as going to a florist and asking how can i cook that italian cuisine "Emilia-Romagna "
And just a small note not all arabs are muslims !!!! As a matter of fact the largest population of muslims are not arabs.
apostatesofislam.com
youtube.com/watch?v=2WLoasfOLpQ
How pathetic !!!!!
How easy is it to make a website with my own (with different names ofcourse) testimonials saying islam says that and that........all the rubbish things they say...
No one really knows what islam is? and strangley no one wants to know about islam from a practicing muslim, its just as going to a florist and asking how can i cook that italian cuisine "Emilia-Romagna "
And just a small note not all arabs are muslims !!!! As a matter of fact the largest population of muslims are not arabs.
bellzii
19 Mar 2008
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Do christians believe in abraham ?Is he one of those going to paradise according to christianity?
Do christians believe in abraham ?Is he one of those going to paradise according to christianity?
bellzii
11 Jan 2008
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
A truth seeker, is some1 on a search for the truth that is he does research all threads leading to the truth about something
research the koran then we were not truth seekers.
A truth seeker, is some1 on a search for the truth that is he does research all threads leading to the truth about something
bellzii
27 Dec 2007
bellzii
17 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Dude the wisdom of being stoned(only the case when some1 MARRIED cheats his/her partner), is that when some1 knows that a punishment will be applied. So no one will cheat his wife/husband.
If he/she are not married then having sexual affairs will lead to being lashed.
That preserves the dignity of family and also preventing problems of women having babies with no fathers, or abortion.
After all fornication is a sin in most religions
Dude the wisdom of being stoned(only the case when some1 MARRIED cheats his/her partner), is that when some1 knows that a punishment will be applied. So no one will cheat his wife/husband.
If he/she are not married then having sexual affairs will lead to being lashed.
That preserves the dignity of family and also preventing problems of women having babies with no fathers, or abortion.
After all fornication is a sin in most religions
bellzii
17 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Dude , just follow shellys posts and just see the hatred that she has to muslims and islam , and above all aweful words she uses, she has no respect to anyone.
Dude , just follow shellys posts and just see the hatred that she has to muslims and islam , and above all aweful words she uses, she has no respect to anyone.
bellzii
17 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
CONCLUSION IS SHELLY IS NOTHING BUT A RACIST
Mohammed was a pervert and the koran is a poor immitation of the Tora and the bible the sooner these retards realise this the better
CONCLUSION IS SHELLY IS NOTHING BUT A RACIST
bellzii
17 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Dont talk about something u dont know, i think muslims should say what in is in their religion and what is not!! dont need u to emphasize something u just picked from any site.
4 witnesses is when some1 says that a women had a sexual relation with some1 other than her husband i.e cheating. also is a MAN is accused of having some illegal affair, the accuser has to get those 4 witnesses.
ITS BOTH WAYS.
A man is also stoned to death.
Dont try to show every1 here that islam makes man superior on women , because u know nothing about islam and this is not true.
She must gather at least 4 witness to open a judgment....
Dont talk about something u dont know, i think muslims should say what in is in their religion and what is not!! dont need u to emphasize something u just picked from any site.
4 witnesses is when some1 says that a women had a sexual relation with some1 other than her husband i.e cheating. also is a MAN is accused of having some illegal affair, the accuser has to get those 4 witnesses.
ITS BOTH WAYS.
a woman can be stoned to death for having sex out of wedlock
A man is also stoned to death.
Dont try to show every1 here that islam makes man superior on women , because u know nothing about islam and this is not true.
bellzii
14 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
If you had something that is so precious as a diamond , or something that is so expensive and so dear to you. Where will u keep it? in ur hands all day, showing it to people or make it noticeable and attract attention with it. Of course not.
Well we think women are much more precious than diamonds and thats why they wear thier hijab to be modest, chaste and above all, not for everyone to have a peice of.
If some minority muslims that YOU DIG INTO THE INTERNET TO GET their story of treating their women badly, they are true muslims as the prophet said [the best of you is the best to his family] , they would surely relish the treasure they have.
If you had something that is so precious as a diamond , or something that is so expensive and so dear to you. Where will u keep it? in ur hands all day, showing it to people or make it noticeable and attract attention with it. Of course not.
Well we think women are much more precious than diamonds and thats why they wear thier hijab to be modest, chaste and above all, not for everyone to have a peice of.
If some minority muslims that YOU DIG INTO THE INTERNET TO GET their story of treating their women badly, they are true muslims as the prophet said [the best of you is the best to his family] , they would surely relish the treasure they have.
bellzii
14 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Our only sources are the quran and the authenticated way of the prophet, not what senior muslim whatever, if he follows these 2 sources then we take his words otherwise his words are useless. Its not like the church said or the pope said, its what jesus peace be upon him has done and whats in the gospel.
Our only sources are the quran and the authenticated way of the prophet, not what senior muslim whatever, if he follows these 2 sources then we take his words otherwise his words are useless. Its not like the church said or the pope said, its what jesus peace be upon him has done and whats in the gospel.
bellzii
14 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Shelly , What if i tell u these rules also apply in islam, so after all there is some common ground we can start the discussion from.
About killing ur patner, Well the prophet said killing a muslim is diselief (i.e getting out of the fold of islam) .
As regarding non muslims its in the quran :
Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity.
Say (O Muhammad ) to the believers to forgive those who (harm them and) hope not for the Days of Allâh (i.e. His Recompense), that He may recompense people according to what they have earned (i.e. to punish these disbelievers, who harm the believers).
If the Muslims should kill non muslims then there would not have been any non muslim living peacfully in islamic countries.
Cubic , The lord is all merciful, how would he tell us to kill each other ??
Listen to this
And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said: "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks (Exalted be You above all that they associate with You as partners) and sanctify You." He (Allâh) said: "I know that which you do not know."
In the story of the two sons of Adam [Hâbil (Abel) and Qâbil (Cain)]
Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!.
the answers to a good life are set out below
Shelly , What if i tell u these rules also apply in islam, so after all there is some common ground we can start the discussion from.
About killing ur patner, Well the prophet said killing a muslim is diselief (i.e getting out of the fold of islam) .
As regarding non muslims its in the quran :
Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity.
Say (O Muhammad ) to the believers to forgive those who (harm them and) hope not for the Days of Allâh (i.e. His Recompense), that He may recompense people according to what they have earned (i.e. to punish these disbelievers, who harm the believers).
If the Muslims should kill non muslims then there would not have been any non muslim living peacfully in islamic countries.
Cubic , The lord is all merciful, how would he tell us to kill each other ??
Listen to this
And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said: "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks (Exalted be You above all that they associate with You as partners) and sanctify You." He (Allâh) said: "I know that which you do not know."
In the story of the two sons of Adam [Hâbil (Abel) and Qâbil (Cain)]
Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!.
bellzii
14 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
I think ur just a waste of time, ur not a truth seeker.
U've just been programmed to act like this.
Quran itself looks like quite a bit of muddy stuff.
I think ur just a waste of time, ur not a truth seeker.
U've just been programmed to act like this.
bellzii
13 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Of course he would not say so because one of his attributes is the all-just.
cubic read the quran and you can judge if its the lords words or not, i wont mention the scientific facts that have been proved and still to be proven, nor the miracle of it being preserved since 1428 years now, and its enough that no one ever have found an error in it. And no one ever has been able to take the challenge mentioned in it to produce something like it.
Read it here and then judge
muslimconverts.com/quran/Quran_index.htm
And if god said murder was good, would you just accept that?
Of course he would not say so because one of his attributes is the all-just.
cubic read the quran and you can judge if its the lords words or not, i wont mention the scientific facts that have been proved and still to be proven, nor the miracle of it being preserved since 1428 years now, and its enough that no one ever have found an error in it. And no one ever has been able to take the challenge mentioned in it to produce something like it.
Read it here and then judge
muslimconverts.com/quran/Quran_index.htm
bellzii
13 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Mohammed peace be upon him came with the legislation thats says men and women are equal with regards to their rewards punishments. But their duties are different and thats obvious a man cant give birth and stay at home to feed the kids , cook and clean. Ofcouse he can help, but these are parts of the duties of a woman . just like men have to work while women dont have to work.
All prophets came with islam ,a muslim is just a human being that submits and surrenders to the almighty lord in peace, and that simply is the message of all prophets from abraham , david, solomon, john ,jesus and mohamed peace be upon them all.
Its mentioned that muhammed is nothing but a prophet its clear in the quran.
Why did the pagans, hyprocrites and the jews never used that word , they said crazy , magician, sorcerer.. stuff like that but never mentioned that word pedophile, its simply because aisha wasnt a child when he married her.
The thing you dont know that women at that time in the desert used to hit puberty at a very young age. It was the norm at that time to get married at a young age. And thats why the marriage agreement was established when she was 7 and only when she reached puberty at the age of 9 were married.
And according to the age of consent in nowadays in the world. In 2001 a Thai girl was a mother at the age of nine, and this was in the newspaper, also in romania there was a 12 year old bride getting married in 2003.
My point is that the environement(age of puberty) is the measure
Do u know that lady aisha was engaged to another man before the prophet muhammed pbuh!!!
And strangely after the prophet's death aisha narrated many stories about their beatiful relationship and became a great teacher for all muslims.
didn't mohammed say that men and women are equal?
Mohammed peace be upon him came with the legislation thats says men and women are equal with regards to their rewards punishments. But their duties are different and thats obvious a man cant give birth and stay at home to feed the kids , cook and clean. Ofcouse he can help, but these are parts of the duties of a woman . just like men have to work while women dont have to work.
founder of Islam is a prophet named Muhammad
All prophets came with islam ,a muslim is just a human being that submits and surrenders to the almighty lord in peace, and that simply is the message of all prophets from abraham , david, solomon, john ,jesus and mohamed peace be upon them all.
however Muhammad himself says he is not a prophet and has never personally heard from God
Its mentioned that muhammed is nothing but a prophet its clear in the quran.
Muhammad was a pedophile
Why did the pagans, hyprocrites and the jews never used that word , they said crazy , magician, sorcerer.. stuff like that but never mentioned that word pedophile, its simply because aisha wasnt a child when he married her.
The thing you dont know that women at that time in the desert used to hit puberty at a very young age. It was the norm at that time to get married at a young age. And thats why the marriage agreement was established when she was 7 and only when she reached puberty at the age of 9 were married.
And according to the age of consent in nowadays in the world. In 2001 a Thai girl was a mother at the age of nine, and this was in the newspaper, also in romania there was a 12 year old bride getting married in 2003.
My point is that the environement(age of puberty) is the measure
Do u know that lady aisha was engaged to another man before the prophet muhammed pbuh!!!
And strangely after the prophet's death aisha narrated many stories about their beatiful relationship and became a great teacher for all muslims.
bellzii
12 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Lies , what a silly thing to say , what evidence you have, u know nothing about islam, and im sure nothing about ur religion.
First in islam killing (ANY SOUL) is the second greatest sin after making partners with god , so how come one can kill someone and still say im a muslim or a representation of islam and he doesnt follow its teachings. Secondly how come one could kill his own daughter ....if ur a dad u would know how dear is your daughter or son , they are a part of u . ..How come just kill here or him..thats insane.
I know why you all guys just throw things and u just have no clue if thats 100% true or not. I used to think that you people are very good at not talking information without confirming its source and u never judge unless things are clear after a research. But IM WRONG . ITS JUST A MINORITY THAT DOES SO :-(
A religion that as far as I am concerned is based on lies - man made lies - doesn't sit well with me.
Lies , what a silly thing to say , what evidence you have, u know nothing about islam, and im sure nothing about ur religion.
killing his daughter
First in islam killing (ANY SOUL) is the second greatest sin after making partners with god , so how come one can kill someone and still say im a muslim or a representation of islam and he doesnt follow its teachings. Secondly how come one could kill his own daughter ....if ur a dad u would know how dear is your daughter or son , they are a part of u . ..How come just kill here or him..thats insane.
I know why you all guys just throw things and u just have no clue if thats 100% true or not. I used to think that you people are very good at not talking information without confirming its source and u never judge unless things are clear after a research. But IM WRONG . ITS JUST A MINORITY THAT DOES SO :-(
bellzii
9 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
well islam is not what muslims do , its what they should do. and its not also what u see on TV nor read in the newspaper
well islam is not what muslims do , its what they should do. and its not also what u see on TV nor read in the newspaper
bellzii
9 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
do christians reflect the life of jesus and the teachings of christianity ?
do christians reflect the life of jesus and the teachings of christianity ?
bellzii
9 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
well lets set all these things aside and see what is the teaching of that religion and then judge? isnt that fair
well lets set all these things aside and see what is the teaching of that religion and then judge? isnt that fair
bellzii
9 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
just like 9-11 , have u seen that video on the u tube , they just said ohh its those muslims..and this video explains everything
Thank you for allowing me, well i can tell you what islam means , its submission , surrender to the almighty lord who created everything , obey his orders in sincerity so that you may feel peace in your heart and soul.
just like 9-11 , have u seen that video on the u tube , they just said ohh its those muslims..and this video explains everything
Now is your chance. Please begin
Thank you for allowing me, well i can tell you what islam means , its submission , surrender to the almighty lord who created everything , obey his orders in sincerity so that you may feel peace in your heart and soul.
bellzii
9 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
well who said that this is true , have u seen it happen. News can be misleading cant it
well who said that this is true , have u seen it happen. News can be misleading cant it
bellzii
9 Dec 2007
Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]
Why is it always people are just throwing misconceptions or just trivial subject. Why dont u ever give it a fair judgment. research , ask then conclude, not just pass on information u heard or found that may have no solid source.
Why not have interfaith discussions , other than just throwing some nonsense information
Her father arrived at her home with 40 men and threatened to kill her for betraying Islam.
"I saw my uncle and around 40 men storming up the street clutching axes, hammers, knives and bits of wood," she said.
"My dad was shouting through the letter box, "I'm going to kill you", while the others smashed on the window and beat the door.
"I saw my uncle and around 40 men storming up the street clutching axes, hammers, knives and bits of wood," she said.
"My dad was shouting through the letter box, "I'm going to kill you", while the others smashed on the window and beat the door.
Why is it always people are just throwing misconceptions or just trivial subject. Why dont u ever give it a fair judgment. research , ask then conclude, not just pass on information u heard or found that may have no solid source.
Why not have interfaith discussions , other than just throwing some nonsense information