Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]

Well I honestly don't give a hoot about your nonsense assumptions. I have already admitted that Polish girls are on average prettier than elsewhere. I'm just saying there are few really stunning beauties like you occassionally see in England, France, Italy etc. That's my taste (probably not only mine) and what I consider stunning - I like the classy glamourous woman look, not the simple village look (which can be pretty, but not gorgeous). So give me a break will you? You should be happy that I'm 'bigging up' English girls.


Ha ha...very true


That's why in the golden era, when foreigners were a greater catch, we were getting threatened and attacked more often.


That is a contradiction in terms. But let's leave this side topic alone. It's getting boring.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


This sounds a little too idealistic, sir. While no doubt there are plenty of decent people like you describe (I fully respect the Polish people I work with, for example), there is a rather prominent element of young Polish society whose behaviour these threads are mostly about.

Well then, I must be wrong. ;)

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


Well, I have posted plenty of stuff about Polish girls' personality (or lack of it as the case may be). Perhaps I'll start a new thread on this soon.

As for men's shallowness, you are clearly encouraging us to be shallow. Why the sexy avatar pic, for example? (but don't swap with SeanBM please :))

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


well, that wasn't my quote...but what the heck.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


What are you implying here? that Polish girls are perfect angels, perfect in the looks, personality and every other department and that only bitter twisted men can see any fault in them?

Personally, I don't like to jump on the bandwagon and kiss ass, especially if I smell bullsh1t. Seeing that kind of brown-nosing behaviour on this forum just provokes me.

As for your 'failed encounters' comments - if a charmless guy with nothing going for him complained to me non-stop about girls, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But as someone who came to Poland before the EU expansion, I have witnessed a general 'slow down' of success among decent foreign guys, and I put this down to external rather than internal factors: the EU expansion, the introduction of cheap flights and the invasion of needy, desperate foreigners, and, call me a bitter twisted b*stard for saying this: the general lack of ability among many Polish girls to discern a cool guy (or perhaps conscious bad selection, as has been discussed in other threads). However, it's still very good here as far as dating is concerned I won't deny that.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


Sounds like you need to have a few more encounters with Polish women before making such generalisations. My observations are based on meeting/watching 1000s of them over 8 years in Poland. However, credit to you for not kissing up.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]

Look, you seem to have a 'hard-on' for me. Probably something I wrote in a previous post touched a raw nerve. So just get it out, will you? We're already off topic here.

Love / Is Polish girls' beauty a myth? [78]


I left you alone before because I thought you were Polish...now I see that you claim not to be despite apparently taking all my comments personally. That's makes you an even bigger kiss-up artist. I am not going to divulge personal details. Let's just say I have a lot more to offer than the average guy on the street on Krakow (though whether that helps or not has been debated in previous threads).


Man, enough of this. Your previous posts were funny, analytical and hardcore...reading them gave me much pleasure. Have you ejaculated already? ;)


YAWNNNN!

Love / Polish Girls Reputation [231]


More self-contradicting nonsense from you.

Love / Polish men vs German men: Who is hotter? [513]


They kiss up in a different way. Sure, they don't act as horny as western guys in front of girls in clubs/on the street etc., there heads don't swivel on their necks so much, and overall they seem to pay less attention to girls.....BUT.......

WHEN they are in a relationship with a girl they often turn into soft putty. Examples of this behaviour: they let the women lead all the time, they get angry and jealous frequently,...the overall body language conveys the message "you are too good for me". I find the average guy to be insecure around his girlfriend and I see how this behaviour is exploited by girls. Those are my observations, and conversations I've had with Polish girls seem to confirm this.

For foreigners in Poland, guys like you and me, it seems to be the reverse: we tend to pay more attention to girls and may get a bit more nervous or horny around them, but when we start to sleep with the girl we become much more laid-back and relaxed.


Yes, you have a point here. Polish guys tend to keep a lower profile. But, as I wrote above, this seems to change when they are in a relationship with the girl. Of course, some Polish guys are players and probably you have been observing that type of guy.

Love / Polish men vs German men: Who is hotter? [513]


For all the 'faithful' Polish guys on this forum in long distance relationships...that probably includes your girlfriends too ;)

Love / Polish men vs German men: Who is hotter? [513]


You have to spend enough time in Poland to properly observe the male-female dynamic.

Yes, there are Polish guys who do the same, but from my observations it happens more frequently among the girls since they have more opportunities to shag when they are abroad. Not too many Polish guys get to shag western girls - that is a fact. A few do of course - a Polish guy I got to know once told me he found it easy to shag English girls in England, but he had to pretend he was from Denmark for some reason.

Look, next time you are in a night club in Poland, just observe. A Greek friend of mine was shocked to see so many guys being led everywhere by the hand of their girlfriends and looking so unconfident with them.

I remember one time in a club, a pretty girl smiled at me and I went to talk to her. We started flirting a bit, then a guy came, who turned out to be her husband, and began to pick a fight with me. The club bouncers broke us up. I saw the same girl again later, but, after quite a few more cheap Polish beers, I thought she was someone else. I chatted her up, she was friendly, and as you can imagine the husband came at me again. Later he apologized, saying "I'm sorry, she is my wife, I am very jealous" etc. So I said to him "Wtf, so give her a slap or something, not me. This is a night club. It's her problem and yours."

I say the balance of power is in the girls' favour overall....but of course there are also a few players among Polish guys.


Almost everyone has a girlfriend or boyfriend. And if they are single, they are not single for long. This is strange. Even the people you least expect to have partners. Everyone hooks up.

Love / Polish men vs German men: Who is hotter? [513]

So why do the so-called 'boyfriends' get angry, jealous, insecure, etc.? If they had so many women, they wouldn't look so insecure and unconfident with their girlfriends. They would be more relaxed. I don't believe this. I've known girls and I've heard many stories of girls with more than one boyfriend. But at least one of her men believes that he is her exclusive boyfriend and thinks he is in love, etc. Those girls usually have one guy of this type, which they call their 'boyfriend'.

I knew a girl once who used to laugh about how naive her boyfriend was. Well, he wasn't her boyfriend for long.

I also know some Polish players who shag more than most Polish guys - but they do not have that many lovers, except for one guy who has threesomes with different girls every week with his bisexual girlfriend.

Love / Polish men vs German men: Who is hotter? [513]


Well, I believe that not every Polish girl has more than one boyfriend, many do, but many of those girls are abroad and shag foreign guys, and some polish guys are left out of the equation (don't have girlfriends).

Love / Polish men vs German men: Who is hotter? [513]

Many of those girls have one permanent boyfriend, who is usually in love with them, and they call him their 'boyfriend'. Meanwhile other guys may come and go, some stay longer than others, but they like the security of having this one a**-kisser who they can rely on to be waiting at home for them. I've seen it and I've heard the stories. These 'official boyfriends' might get suspicious from time to time, but they naively remain faithful and will never leave as they are too afraid of losing the girl. And girls who play this game know this full well.

Guys can play the same game of course, but I believe the mathematics works in the girls' favour, somehow.

Love / Polish Girls Reputation [231]


Justysia, I don't think any guys moan about girls being easy. We like easy. We 'moan' when the girls are being easy with other guys ;), especially if, as in the case with many Polish girls, those other guys are often totally undeserving.

To be honest, if a girl sleeps with me very early on, and there was chemistry between us and she was totally in control and didn't have any hang-ups about it, I never feel that she is 'easy'. It just feels natural, a mutual pursuit of pleasure. But when a girl comes out with stuff like "I am not an easy girl", "I don't want you to think I'm easy", etc. then she screws up the dynamic and puts me in the position of 'the pursuer' and her 'the prey'. In that context, she becomes 'easy', whether it takes 2, 3 or 5 dates, it doesn't matter - she'll still be 'easy' even after a few months. I'd much rather be the first situtation obviously.

Love / Polish Girls Reputation [231]


Well, all guys are easy really given the opportunity. But some have higher standards than others. Girls get called 'easy' because it's much easier for them to get laid. Even a dog can easily get laid with a reasonably attractive guy in a night club without trying.

As I explained above, I don't always agree with the term 'easy', because it implies we are the ones chasing the 'reluctant' prey. I like to think if a girl sleeps with me, it's a mutual thing - e.g. her looks turned me on, my charm turned her on.


Point taken - in many cases western guys moan about Polish girls because they expect them to put out easily, and when they don't and instead give it out to some tool instead (I mean a guy who is v low on western girls' dating preferences) , it's a blow to the ego. It's amazing the ego damage that some of these simple Polish village girls can unwittingly do - it's quite funny thinking about it.

Love / Polish Girls Reputation [231]


I didn't say all guys would do that. I certainly wouldn't. I was trying to make the point that it is very easy for girls to score so they should be more selective and wait for a decent guy instead of going for the first loser that tries to pick them up.

Love / Polish Girls Reputation [231]


Again, you are missing the point. I repeat: not all guys are that desperate, but in every club there are a least a few of them. The example was meant to illustrate how easy it is for any girl to get laid, so if even an unattractive girl can get laid with a good-looking guy, then it's a bit shameful that a good looking girl ends up going for an unappealing guy.

In any case, you might be surprised to know that slightly unattractive girls can be more difficult to pick up than attractive girls. There are many reasons for this. Mostly, I think they get more attention from desperate guys who don't have the courage to go for hotter girls and they are aware of this and it makes them feel low.


You can imagine the damage it does to the ego when an average-looking girl from Poland (where girls are supposed to be 'easy' and where most men are very ordinary looking) turns down a handsome, educated foreign guy....then for the foreigner to see the same girl later with a very ordinary-looking guy...that's a night destroyer for many guys, and the bad feeling can last well into the next day :) I won't deny I haven't been there before...and it's one reason why I started approaching much hotter girls than I used to (sorry, average girls :))

Love / Are Polish girls charity workers? [132]

Charity workers implies that girls recognise those who are 'needy' and 'destitute'. I don't think that's what going on in their heads when they're in a mis-match relationship. I've looked those girls in the eye, and I do not believe they are awake. Or are they?

Love / Are Polish girls charity workers? [132]

Ok, I think the language of these threads is getting a bit harsh :) and this dead horse has been flogged...but...

Can you Polish girls just give us an explanation...straight from the horse's mouth...dispel our confusion and these threads will stop:

What is going on in your minds?....why do so many Polish girls go out with ordinary (I'm talking about the whole package here) or below ordinary guys when they can clearly do much better and have opportunities to do better? Do you prefer such guys? Do you believe better quality guys are out of your reach or can't be trusted? Are you doing 'charity work' as Luke says....into 'mercy dates' (credit Beckski..LOL)? Do you even see differences?

I am asking these questions out of curiosity, not bitterness. I am genuinely curious and I am entitled to be so. I don't even think it's always such a bad thing, you can even argue that it's a good thing for balance and harmony. I'd just like to comprehend it. So, do any of the theories ring true?

I am not in doubt about the observations because if so many guys notice the same thing, there must be something to it. Choose to believe that you don't belong to this category of girls, fine. But coming from the same culture you must have a clue of what's going on.

Thanking you in advance :)

Love / Are Polish girls charity workers? [132]


If I get a satisfactory explanation straight from the horse's mouth, I officially declare that I will not post on the subject anymore :)


Appreciate the contribution, but I would say that being American and therefore influenced by American culture you probably don't belong to the category of girls we are talking about.

Love / Are Polish girls charity workers? [132]


a cute one too ;)


just beat you to it :)


According to the theory of bad selection, that would get him a lot of girls.

Love / Are Polish girls charity workers? [132]

He has already declared himself to be tall in another thread.

Love / Are Polish girls charity workers? [132]


Hmm...that would explain my successes then.

Funnily enough, as I write in a pub in Krakow, I just witnessed a foreign guy getting picked up by a particularly bold Polish girl. A soft, unsure looking guy. She seemed to have a nose for such a guy and it looked as though she was enjoying being in control of the situation. Hmm....I think a survey needs to be carried out in Poland...a questionnaire designed to get to the truth...that would be interesting :)

And on an unrelated topic...why do hot girls visit the toilet more often than less attractive girls? There're two girls sitting nearby...the hotter one is off every five minutes.

Love / Are Polish girls charity workers? [132]


Ha ha..'crap guys'. Delightfully diplomatic. But it's not like those girls can't do better. That's the weird thing. Do they not see that? Or do they fail to recognise differences? Or do they feel more comfortable that way? Anyway, perhaps it's pointless trying to figure out women..they can't even figure themselves out it seems.

Love / Are Polish girls charity workers? [132]


I've had similar experiences. A girl I once had a thing with told me that she didn't like me at first because she thought I was too sure of myself, but later she realised that I had 'insecurities' and wasn't such a confident person....that was when she started to become attracted to me.

After reading that comment of yours I stopped two girls in Krakow today and did like you did, pretended to be shy. I even told one girl that my Polish was worse than usual because I'm very shy around pretty girls. Well...you seem to be right. They were both very friendly - got one number (from the hotter one), the other told me she had a boyfriend but was friendly nevertheless.


It is not about looks - not for me. I accept that some girls will not find me good-looking while others will. It's about the whole package, including humour, lack of neediness, independence, uniqueness, ambition, coolness, etc. Of course a low value guy is going to be 'caring' and 'affectionate' with a high value girl.

As for your statements on 'love', there is a difference between love and attachment/dependency. A low value guy in a relationship with a higher value girl is obviously going to be attached - his self-esteem depends on it - without the girl he's gonna feel like a loser/nobody again. IMO, 'true love' can only exist between two people of equal self-worth.

Love / Are Polish girls charity workers? [132]


This is where our communication ends.

Love / Are Polish girls charity workers? [132]


I never said it was a bad thing that they are not into succesful guys (in materialstic terms). I have always said that it can be a good thing. But I do not believe that they 'see beyond' anything. I wasn't saying that they should only go for successful, wealthy guys. Hell no. There are plenty of cool guys who aren't flashy. I'm just trying to figure out why many of them make the strange choices that they make, like dating guys that their less-attractive western counterparts wouldn't touch.

Love / Are Polish girls charity workers? [132]

We are talking about men in general. Some Polish guys are cool, some are very ordinary. But that's in Poland. Outside Poland, southern, Luke and others, including even Shelley, would say that far too many of them go for 'crap guys' from all kinds of places.