Life / Black people in Poland [357]


Excellent point! It is a possibility and I did consider it. In fact, I think that is very likely. I replied as if it is sincere because I have too much time on my hands and there would be not much point in replying to the post if it was sarcastic. :)

Life / Black people in Poland [357]

Hey! Just when I thought my hopes for finding intelligent life on these forums was dashed you come along and say something halfway decent.
You are correct that I challenge many posts with a counter argument. This my "modus operandi". I push hard and fish for those out there that I can spar with on my level.

As for the sincerity of post #230, I'm sure you understand I have an answer for you! :)

The post is a hybrid of sarcasm/sincerity. If it is true that this person has had a religious experience on the level of a visitation from Jesus or a all powerful being, these question are applicable and would not be hard to answer.

If the person is reflecting a dream or a weak daydreaming/imagination experience then it will put them in their place or make them consider that what they had was not worthy of being raised to a claim of visitation from Jesus Christ, son of God.

News / Is tan skin common among polish people? [57]

Yuk! :)

Life / Black people in Poland [357]

Why be concerned about "destroying the hopes" of someone who has had a visit from Jesus ? I mean, after all, it's a visit from Jesus. The odds that you can jar the hopes of someone who has had a visit from Jesus are pretty slim to be sure.

News / Is tan skin common among polish people? [57]

No, tan skin is not common. Beautifully pale, white, and milky skin is! :)

Life / Black American Living In Poland [283]

Classy, really classy. Is this also how you respond to your Polish wife when she says something you do not agree with? Maybe you stomp your feet and hold your breath too?

:)

Life / Black people in Poland [357]


Could you describe in detail how you asked ? Did you speak it ? Just think it ? Did you have to ask many times?
The period leading up to the visit, did you experience any unusual changes in body chemistry?
What type of physiological changes did you experience during the visit ?
What form did Jesus take ?

Thank you, I am looking forward to your input.

Life / Black American Living In Poland [283]


I suggest you read all of Post #47. His "major valid point" is a fallacy of argument. I know you can do better Patrycja, just use a little more critical thinking and for once, just once put aside your desire for an idealistic and Utopian world. It would also be a good idea to read all of the replies before you make a post as you would realize the point he makes is also based on assumptions about my argument.


It's not transposable.

Life / Black American Living In Poland [283]


I don't really mind being called ignorant as long as it is true and the person calling me ignorant provides the knowledge I am missing. Now, I am going to call you ignorant.

Here’s my claim:
You are committing the "Tu quoque" fallacy, not me. Now, let that sink in for a minute.

The "Tu quoque" fallacy actually protects the hypocrite from having his argument invalidated based on that hypocrisy. So, not only do you commit the very fallacy you accuse of me of, you also commit blatant red herring fallacy (which of course I'll graciously point out to you).

So, let's begin...

The knowledge you are missing is to whom the fallacy of "Tu quoque" applies. It applies to you.

Let's take a look at what this fallacy is about:
It is a form of asserting or implying that argument Q is incorrect because proponent of Argument Q also commits Q.

Proponent makes argument Q.
Proponent is also guilty of committing Q.
Therefore, Q is dismissed.

Let’s discuss the variables as they apply to our discussion:
You have expressed that I speak for "Polish people" in a later reply. I assume you also saw things this way when you made your initial accusation. Therefore, proponent of argument Q is “Polish People”. Argument Q will be the argument against immigration of non-whites into Poland. For things to make sense we will have to condense that into an argument against immigration in general.

The breakdown:
Polish People make argument Q
Polish People commit Q
Therefore, Q is dismissed.

Now let’s take a look at your accusations again:


AND


You are dismissing the argument. And you are doing this based on what? The hypocrisy of the proponent of the argument.

Now let’s take a look at the definition of "Tu quoque" again:
It is a form of asserting or implying that argument Q is incorrect because proponent of Argument Q also commits Q.

I believe this is where you get on you knees and bow before a superior intellect. I’m just kidding, I’m humble. Really, I am. :)

Besides being confused about the "Tu quoque" fallacy, here’s where you went wrong:
Two of your sub-premises are based on assumptions:

First, I have never claimed I speak for polish people. I never said Polish people do not want blacks in Poland. I said I do not want blacks in Poland. In addition I have claimed that many Poles do not share my views. Your accusation is based on an assumed premise.

Second, I have never made claims as to my position on emigration out of Poland. You assumed I supported it.

Red Herring:


This is a red herring.
# Topic A is under discussion.
# Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic .
# Topic A is abandoned.

Immigration into Poland is Topic A. Immigration to England is Topic B. You want me to abandon Topic A. Strictly speaking, the immigration into Poland by blacks is not relevant to immigration of Poles into England.


You have me mixed up with someone else. I did not say this.


I did enjoy this, gave me a good laugh and an opportunity to sharpen my understanding of the "Tu quoque" fallacy. Cheerio!

Life / Black American Living In Poland [283]


Why don't you describe in detail what basic error I made, why it is an error, and what kind of precautions can be taken to avoid it in the future. Then, I'm sure you will discuss a few things I missed in the argument which led me astray. I'm giving you an opportunity to educate me. The question is, will you take it?

Life / Black American Living In Poland [283]


You claimed I was a hypocritical idiot. Why would you care what hypocritical idiots have to say about the claims you make?

Life / Black American Living In Poland [283]

Then why commit the most basic of them if you understand them? I commit some myself I'm sure, and anyone who can point mine out will earn a measure of respect from me. But I try to refrain from the most obvious ones.

So why not just dissect my views and arguments, show how illogical they are with some solid arguments of your own and be done with it ? Why waste your time on fallacies?

Life / Black American Living In Poland [283]


I never called you any names nor used such words as subhuman intruder. YOU are using those words.
Read this before you continue with any replies, either on this forum or anywhere else.
nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

Life / Black American Living In Poland [283]


So here you are saying that you have no idea where I "get" my ideas. If you have no idea where I get them from how can you wholly give an informed opinion of my ideas. I would respect someone much more if they could explain why I believe certain things and why I am wrong then what you have to offer, which isn't much.

Your reply really makes no point about my US citizenship claim that it is being eroded due to multiracialism. The fact that you may be happy with your "group", or that people on this forum may be obsessed with race has nothing to do with my claim.


You are partly right, depending on the situation. If the German runs into a random Pole and immediately believes the Pole is a thief then that would be foolish and an incorrect use of a stereotype. If the German says to himself "this Pole is more likely to be a thief then another German and I should be more on guard", then that would be correct use of a stereotype. More on guard does not mean he should not trust the Pole. It means the burden of proof for trustworthiness rests on the Pole. This does not unduly burden either party. It actually benefits both parties as the German minimizes his risk and the Pole who is indeed trustworthy does not have to alter his behavior much, since he is indeed trustworthy.

If the German government were to use a the stereotype to stop all Polish immigration in an effort to lower robberies, then this would not be foolish in as much as we are talking about the rate of robberies. Robberies per capita would drop. In the process the benefits of trustworthy Poles would be lost but the goal of lowering robbery rates was achieved.

It depends on the application of the stereotype whether it is a foolish or not.


So here you are proving my point about the danger of race. You are a Hispanic calling for the banning of a Polish person on a Polish forum. You are also saying you know what is better for a country that you have no racial or ethnic ties to. Immediately we see the conflict that arises from race and real consequences as a result.

It is easy to call for me to banned isn't it? You have no real constructive responses or refutations of my arguments so you use a few ad hominem attacks and try and sweep the issue under the rug.

Life / Black American Living In Poland [283]


James's social or economic status in the US does not change the reasons for my views. As for overriding my racial beliefs and loyalties to Poland, no status or military rank will do that. Simply because I live in the US does not require I forgo my loyalties to Poland, nor would I want to do so. I am not a US citizen and I have made no oaths to the US. Citizenship is becoming more and more meaningless by the day. I am tied to this country for the next 2 years but I am making plans to leave and return to Poland. The next amnesty bill will be the final stab in the back for any respect due a person of US citizenship. Ironically, the foundation of this destruction of US citizenship is multiracialism.

Just because James, on the individual level, may not adversely affect a community he immigrates to does not invalidate the overall adverse affect of his race upon a community. Once immigration is accepted as the norm and the government increases the numbers then you have an increase in the randomness of those brought in. In addition, there is also a bias toward the lower ends of the races bell curve since this segment provides a suitable supply of cheap labor. To have James come in is even worse because he is a Trojan Horse. He looks harmless enough, but on his coattails are masses of others whose presence will have the opposite effect that James may have. There is one other reason I am against it. I do not wish for Polish woman to miscegenate.

As for your student spouting stereotypes, that is what he was doing. But what is your point? Stereotypes are called stereotypes for a reason. Once a characteristic of a particular group of people is elevated culturally to a stereotype the probability of it being correct is almost 100%. Therefore, the reason there is a stereotype that Poles steal is because Poles do steal just slightly more often enough to trigger the innate ability of humans to recognize patterns of behavior in other humans. Let’s say you have 10,000 randomly selected native white Germans and 10,000 randomly selected native white Poles. The stereotype is that Germans steal less, Poles steal more. The stereotype claims that we will find more thieves among the Polish group then the German. I believe that is correct.

The numbers aren't that great. It's not like 1000 of the Germans fit the stereotype and 4000 of the Poles. The numbers are small, but recognizable in the minds of individuals who come in contact with that population. It could be that 200 of the Germans are thieves vs 500 of the Poles. And hence, a stereotype is born. Stereotypes are stereotypes because they are born out of truth. This is why people are hurt emotionally by them.


Social status and race are two rams butting heads. When put to the test race will always have the higher probability of being the decisive factor.

When people of different races intermingle, be it due to free will or being forced, the race factor becomes slightly passive. Social status immediately has no other choice but to come to the forefront. But social status is one of an unstable nature, it is allowed to exert its force at the whim of race. Race remains underneath, like a snoozing oversear.

I'm sure you know what a bear trap is. You can put your hand inside one and you will be fine as long you don't hit the trigger and close the trap. Social status is like that hand in the bear trap. As long as you tiptoe around and be careful, the trap is harmless. But one wrong move and the power of the trap (race) will quickly let you know who's boss.

This is exemplified in how easily a person's repuation and social status can be destroyed when that trap shuts. Recent example include politicians and comedians:

1) Former U.S. Senator George Allen points to a Webb aide, referring to him as "Macaca".

2) Kramer (Micheal Richards) from Seinfeld went on a race laden tirade in a public venue.

In both cases race immediately, like a 500 pound gorilla, overtook the little mouse that is social status. You can't escape race. You can't run from it, hide from it, or avoid it.

When I say race I also include ethnicities/blood. As for religion, it is the monkey wrench in the whole equation.

Life / Black American Living In Poland [283]

What's the holdup ? Did your keyboard jam right before you where going to explain in detail which part of my post is hypocritical and which part is evidence for my idiocy ?

Life / Black American Living In Poland [283]

I'm Polish and a racist. I have no qualms or reservations about being a racist.
I would not wish for you to live in my homeland nor have relationships with Polish woman. You will meet many Poles who share these views. You will also meet many who reflect the egalitarian viewpoints espoused on this forum. Most are naive to the reality of race and the dangers of multiracialism within Poland.

When a foreign race begins trickling into the communities of another race in very small numbers it becomes a novelty at first. The problems that come with an increase of blacks in white populations are not noticed until it's too late.

If Poland begins accepting large numbers of your people it is 100% guaranteed crimes will go up. Murders, rapes, robberies...etc. When your people begin to increase in proportion it will embolden them and the genetic tendencies for behavior in your race will begin to be unleashed from the suppression that comes when you are few and far between. It will be the same as in England, the USA, and in every white demographic area worldwide that has accepted a large influx of blacks.

It's all fun and games until the influx becomes to great. I do not want you in Poland.

For all those who wish to call me ignorant you will have to explain exactly what knowledge it is that I do not have that will change my viewpoint. Then you will have to provide this knowledge. Otherwise, you're pissing into the wind.