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Here is a simple version so maybe you and that 70% who don't support the shield understand..
EU cannot provide Poland with military security. Don't be surprised by that comment, what do you except from an organization that spends 30 to 40% of its budget on agriculture..on average countries in the EU spend only 2% of gdp on the military.. You say a lot of people agree with you....doesn't make them right, I remember a time when the majority said the world is flat..lol

Secondly, I would choose the US over Russia anyday... if you disagree doesn't show that you know much about history and our current relationship between these countries... You want to be friends with Russia that's great that doesn't mean that its the best option for Poland..

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Bartek, you have this ideal of an EU, which is great but in reality it does not behave in the way you idealize it.. Many countries in the EU don't give two sh*ts about Poland.. Poland should take care of its own interests..which means being an ally of the USA. not saying to do everything US says, but when something is reasonable then why not..once the EU learns the true meaning of solidarity and can grow a backbone to deal with Russia then maybe just maybe we might not need the USA.. Which even though we might not need them doesn't mean we shouldn't be allies with them..

Like to add no way in hell are you Polish...No intelligent polish person would be so pro Russia at a time the Kremlin is using gas as a political tool, issuing nuclear threats, orchestrating a cyber attack on estonia, etc....

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Well you know, it's about time.....was bound to happen eventually.....good to hear it

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Poland has option of choosing first...lol what logic is that?
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What if Russia said that no Polish politician can travel to the US or any EU country or they will direct nuclear bombs at Poland.. According to your logic poland has a an option of choosing first.... I guess to you its not important that Russias has no right to make that demand and those threats..

that's like Poland saying we will bomb all oil pipelines in Russia if they build Nord Stream..

Kremiln cyber attack was initiaed in offices linked to the Kremlin and sure maybe others joined in but once again it started in Kremlin offices.. you forgot to deny the kremlin using oil as political tool....lol

please use better logic to defend Russia....

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USA will not be on German side....In case you didn't notice their relationship is not very solid right now...Im not saying USA will choose Poland but at the very least they will remain neutral..

I too would like EU to be successful, problem is that when it comes to foreign policy, military and enegy the EU is not successful and Poland cannot rely on EU at this time.. Maybe one day in the future once EU grows a backbone and learns the meaning of solidarity...

US goal is too make EU stronger..America is tired of having to defend EU. Its in the interest of America for the EU to be powerful. Im surprised you don't see that... America just doesn't want one or two countries(France and Germany)to dominate EU decision making...

In case you didn't notice our problems with Russia have very little to do with US...its has more to do with Russias attitude toward former commie countries...our interests in eastern EU are opposite of Russian interests..this has nothing to do with US....No we are not puppets, lol......

From reading your post I get the impression your scared....Be it Russia or Germany.. do not worry Poland is fairly safe...

on a side note... if you think Russia and Germany want what's in Polands interest you are fooling yourself..

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No EU offers political and economic security.......US offers military security... that is why we need to have good relationship with both....

I thought EU cowardness when it comes to Russia is fairly clear...

My point is we need to be friends with both EU and US...and even with Russia when they are ready...

Our friendship with Russia will be on our terms not Russias..

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Bartek the only reason we have gained any influence in the EU was because our relationship with the US.. Both EU and US are trying to buy our support....Its great let them both keep vying for our attention..

If you think Poland would have a say if EU knew that we can't go to America.. then your fooling yourself...look at what happened with Chiraq and Shroedar..only when we allied with US did these fools get replaced...it pays to be Americas friend..and the warming of ties with US and france and to a lesser extent Germany just shows you that these countries also realize that...

We don't need to influence America policy, we just need them to upgrade our military and aid us in case of war...

were never going to agree......your naive...

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these comments leave the USA and UK behind are beyond idiotic...hate to break it to you those countries have more to offer then Russia ever will...I think we should have good relationship with US UK and Russia..but if Russia is going to make us choose, you can be sure we won't choose Russia..

So accept our friendship with those countries or you can kiss our a*s...

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Paczka, its clear the missles Russia is aiming at Poland is not to defend themselves. Those missles unlike Polands are not defensive. We both know Russias aim is to intimidate Poland and scare them from placing this shield. So don't dress this up as some sort of self defence.. good try though..

On a side note. If Russia wants to place some nukes aimed at Poland, I would support Poland building its own nukes pointing at Russia. Sh*t its only fair.

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Paczka, tell that to Russia because its clear which country follows the eye for an eye approach.

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lol, now that I think about it I don't we think we ever accomplished anything together.... Im pretty happy about that......

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Yeah Im Polish, are u?

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Much less than half, and those that did, it had more to do with hate for Germany then support for Russia..

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Paszka are you just looking for some excitement.?? it is boring around here lately...

Nazis are the Germans who supported Hitler and to a lesser extent the Russians who signed an agreement with Hitler...

Poland didn't support Russia because Russians were invaders just like the Germans... except at the time of ww2, Russia was the lesser of two evils..... may add though that not by much...

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What???lol once again Poles supported Russia because Nazis were the bigger threat.... Do you honestly think Poles would join red army if their were no Nazi threat?? please answer honestly

That statement is 100% true...... but its funny that you don't think that....

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aaaaaahhhh....

no thats definitely not a shame....

if anything is a shame its that Poland was not able to kick both there as*ses

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Crow if Serbia was actually a significant country for Germany or Russia during WW2 to defeat.... then you would have been defeated.... If your saying that Serbia could have resisted a full onslaught from either Nazis or Soviets or both then it is you who is deranged....

Im not a big fan of Germany, however your view of Germany as still being some nazi machine is taking it to another level.....

Serbia does not have to join EU....its your choice?... also EU would have not been on your a*s over kosovo if serbia could have controlled themselves and not committied genocide.

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there were terrorist attacks committed against Serbia.. Yes the muslims started the war, and yes Serbia had the right to defend itself but Serbia took self defence to the extreme when they decided to commit genocide...its k to kill terrorists even if sometimes civilians die by mistake.. however targeting all muslims is a different story... a few terrorists attacking serbia doesn't give serbia the green light to kill all muslims..

Listen, Germany and all of EU care about human rights in Kosovo.... its not to punish serbia per say its to create a safe haven for citizens of kosovo..

as for you dont overestimate the human spirit.
Serbia by itself would never defeat Russia no matter all the human spirit it has.

last 2 comments of yours, can you rephrase them so I know for sure what your trying to say..

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Crow what is told by the media is much worse, they talk about the genocide but they never mention the terrorist attacks against Serbia which led to an escalation by Serbs of the situation... You should be grateful I took it upon myself to learn that information.

As for you comment that we supported the muhajeed....we didn't support them because we wanted to.. we did it to stop the genocide of muslims... the crimes of the muhajeed were not as horrible as the crimes of the serbs..... try looking up videos of children being shot in the back of the head by Serbian soldiers... that is of course if the Serbian internet is not censored.

don't portray your country as the victim of that war because you will gain no sympathy from me..

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lmao, good they deserve it for electing a retard to the post of President..... its clear theirs is a roll back in democracy and the free market system...

side note not that putin is a stupid man, just retarded in the sense of his childish ideology.

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Quote from Putin:

international vote monitors should "teach their wives to make cabbage soup" rather than teach Russia how to behave.

lmao, yes the vote moniters should not try to help democracy in Russia, instead they should teach their wives how to make soup.

To think Russians actually buy this cr*p. russian intelligence = monkey intelligence, and that's being generous to the Russians and insulting to the monkeys..

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Lukasz who said your a racist????

As for the intelligence comment, it was directed not at Putin but to the Russian public for not seeing or not caring that democracy is being rolled back...

on a side note, I am a racist..........., against stupidity......

actually normal, if I can call you normal...... im as much of an American as you are Polish..... btw if I wasn't a proud Pole, then I wouldn't mind being a proud American

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Dice wrote:

PS. Matthias, I like the charity work you do for the single mothers (judging by your avatar).. I know it's tough, but someone has to do it. Keep up the good work, my friend.

lmao : )...... thank you, it was either that or help democracy in Russia.... believe it or not the decision was not that difficult... : )

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What does Russia represent?????

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Dice I agree, doesn't have to be exactly Nuclear Power but some form of alternative energy..... Or improved technology to burn coal with much less or no emmisions....(liquified coal).. in addition to diversifing its energy suppliers.

The good news is Poland knows what it needs to do and has for a long time....bad news is kind of difficult with some in the EU building closer energy ties with Russia..

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lmao, not yet.......

Im not against Nuclear energy per say.... in a small country like Poland it can be an easy target in case of war.... only objection to nuclear power.... However chances of war are

slim to none

But theirs are good chances that a nuclear plant will be built in Lithuania and Poland might take part......

Like to mention many new alternative sources of energy are being developed... Russia better start diversifying their economy instead of relying on oil and gas..

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Your right Constantine, their is no difference between Russians and the state...... so those who hate Russia unfortunately/fortunately hate Russians...... can you blame them??? you don't become liked by threatening with nuclear weapons...and...you don't become liked by using oil as a political tool.. you wanna be liked then act like a mature, civilized society.......

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crow, ill take that as a complement coming from you....... you must not have read my other posts about how US screwed Poland after ww2.

btw US response to terrorism wasn't perfect but much better then Serbia's...

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Celinski wrote :

It's that joint he's smoking. lol

lol, I didn't have a chance to lite up yet ........ if I did I would be more about peace and love... holding hands and singing about rainbows...

on a side note...... jeeze I had an avatar of a baby smoking a joint for one day and all of a sudden im the polish forum pothead.... : )

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really? lol....... I didn't know.....

lets just leave it that Americas behavior though not perfect in some aspects..... overall Americas behavior is much better then Russias..... especially when related to how America treats Poland as compared to how Russia treats Poland...