Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]

Ignorance is the main thing, media the other. To know what is Islam (the real Islam) one have to make a research or just like you - get married with muslim. Then it become clear. These days when people think of Islam terrorism is the first idea that rushes to their heads - again, out of ignorance and media. No one who made attempt to kill innocents could be a muslim, regardless to what they say.

Depth of knowledge, laying inside Islam is fantastic. It's not just religion - this is the way of life. I think the mistake made by ordinary people is that they make equal sign between Islam and people - arabs, tadjicistans, tatars, world terrorists - you name it. And that's a huge mistake.

To live in this world you have to use your own head. In Islam, if you lived a day without makimg a step towards to be a better human being means you lost the day. But this implies a struggle - nothing is easy and you have to make efforts. And this is totally different with - "we like to masturbate - we need religion that allows us doing so! And doctors say it's good - so why bother?" And yes - "the holy scriptures" regulate every tinest kind of thing in human life, so that no parts are missed. But to understand even what is written you have to struggle to understand. Not easy way but easy and rewarding at the same time.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]


This is doesn't have anything with "attractivness" - you just feel one day what is wrong and what is right. If you are not burn muslim, you have to study subject first. To do so, you have to be at least interested in religions and compare them - then you will have questions and will try to find answers. attractive or not attractive - who cares if you're trying to find a truth?


'Cause no muslim woman can't marry a man who are not muslim. Man can take Christian as wife but the head of family has to be Muslim, with pure heart and thoughts.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]

This was funny. You do this - and if it comes known before sunset, it would be your last night on this Earth (if she's not your wife).

That's what I'm talking about - people know nothing about Islam - they judge about it by so called Muslims actions. Well - that simply means you don't need to know, you just don't need it - so why all the fruitless dicussions? One more time assure yourself that everything will be great in your life because "your religion" is not like "religion of that murderers"? I'm telling you - nobody needs to find the truth - because it's very easy to pretend that "you're on the right side". Very easy to watch TV about "Islamic countries stuck in the past" and talk about everything "Islamic" - but it's nothing - you will never ever come to the Truth. To read the Holy Quran you have to know arabic - and you have to study many and many years - because if you read in in translation - nothing again, just for starters, you won't understand a thing. This book was given TO YOU also, because YOU'RE the one of human beings among others, who live on this Earth - YOU also has a right to read Tora, Bible and now The Holy Quran - all Books that was given. If you decide not digging into this but rely on others ideas about it, based on watching people behavour - up to you.

I think everybody knows this famous phrase of a scientist - "Thanks God I happened to know Islam before I happened to know muslims".

If my neighbor, who called himself a Muslim, will kill his sister, who changed her believe - it's not my problem, it's his. He will be responsible for that. But if I will throw away Islam because I saw my neighbour killed his sis based on his believe , this gonna be my problem and I will be responsible for my action.

I know for sure that anyone who cares about his life and who is trying to find answers will find 'em sooner or later. Why God puts veil on people's eyes - that's another great secret over which you could be pondering the whole life.

With peace to all of you reading.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]

I didn't mean that killing sister is a good thing - I wanted to show that you are responsible for your self only - you are not responsible for terrorist who blowing a bomb - this is his life and his fate. If you can - you can try to stop him, but the one bears full responsibilty for his own deeds.

The one who killed his sis will be judged by shariat - Iа he lives in Islamic country and by the law of non-islamiv country if he lives, say, in sweden. the system of shariat very complicated to ensure that evertyhing is fair.


Sorry man - I have a lot to do then focus on somebody else's deeds. Have my own to be focused on.
I was thinking exactly like you when I was 24 or 25 or 26.

Tried to get into everything with my own ideas which seemed to be "right".
It's ok, just needs time to evaluate.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]

For darius -

I really am sorry that I hurt your feelings - didn't mean to do that. Didn't mean to start discussion here. Being emotional is not a good thing, just like not washing your hands - you're right. If you don't have control over yourself, (or over your life) - then someone else does. believe me.

And I don't think that killing (men or women) is allowed for anybody - muslims, christians, buddists, zoroastrists etc. For those who converted from Islam to another religion - I heard that in some countries this is dangerous - and I think because of people (again - stupid ignorant people) - but this is fanatism. Why number of fanatics in Islam more then number of fanatics in any other confessions? Maybe because that ones who are born muslims (stupid expression - everybody born as muslims, then comes THe Church and everything people are taught by those who beside them) - more emotional then others? I don't know - I really don't know. What I know is that this system is totally different (as you said), and I believe to God who said - eye for an eye, arm for an arm, wound for wound (same size and place that was cut) and life for life. But if somebody would forgive and doesn't crave for revange - it's better for him. - And I think it's pretty fair. (Although you or some people won't like it).

This forum is not a place for religious discussions - this is just to say a word of support for those who need it or just to bla bla bla -


- nothing personal, Filios, but if you can't see the difference nobody can do that for you. If you're ok with that - just leave it, this is not for you.

I know I'm doing something I shouldn't do writing in this forum and talking to people who don't give a sh..t about what they are talking about. But I think this is my last message here, so I will tell my little story in a few words -

I was a musician, playing in the band, touring other countries and enjoying life to the brim (as what I thought).
I was very spiritual from the beginnig, of cause didn't believe in God - believed in Spirit, was interested in shaman practice, in some old mistic technics and smiled to those who believed - explaining them (depending on their education level) why there's no God but A Power in the Universe. For many years day by day I practised some technics that allowed me doing some things that would seem very unusual to say the least to ordinary man. I traveled to Mexico seeking this knowledge, and I thought this is the only thing the human being has as aim in his life - to see Reality and to be closer to Reality, because ordinary people as far from Reality as they could be - they live in their own constructed world. Those who studied psychology knows that - this world is not that we see by our eyes.

Then I married a girl, which was saved by Islam - Islam saved her life, literally.
She was Christian before, but as many Christians who think and seek the truth, she was many years studiing religions and everything that connected to it. She feeled taht something was wrong with Christianity, something was not REAL.

I don't like to talk much about it. I'm a happy man, very happy, and I thank God who eventually directed me on the road. And I'm going to stay on this road, whatever happens. There are so many ways that leads to God - my was very complicated.

I wish to those who are there to hear - don't lose your energy, listen to your heart, be strong and remember that our days are counted. Every day could be the last - keep this thought in mind, it helps a lot - and some day the connection will be made, just don't lose it once you found it.

Was very nice being here, thanks to everybody.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]

1)'cause you don't have your own?
2) you have your own but love's gone and you envy what others have?
3) just feel that your not the monogamy type and it brings some more pleasure in life? So why not use a chance?
4) 'cause think it's normal and all real men have to show "what they have ' to be proud of?

Am I right?:)


To stop possible violence and to keep the family - not saying about many other reasons, which are way more important.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]


'cause when men see a beatiful woman many and many of them "get interested" - it's normal for some - again, it's human nature. Not everybody strong enough when it comes to seduction either. If you check rape statistic and compare it to countries where Islam is official religion you'd be surprised.

Everything that females use (make up, earings, parfume etc) is just for ONE aim, to draw attention of men, although it's considered now in cocial aspects. Again - this is human nature, evolution needed that. But when you're try to do everything to get men's attention and finally is being chased by drunk machos - who your going to blame for that? They are just what they are - but women are responsible - 'cause seducing (even when you didn't intend doing that) is VERY awful thing - you shove the other one into this and that's what true muslim women is scared - open view of her legs could be the reason why the guy can find himself in a very bad situation one day. (and I'm not talking about bieng stoned to death).

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]

:)

I understand what you feel- I was just like that some years ago. Funny but understandable.

It's very simple - "Hide your beauty from the stranger", - evrybody who feel the need in doing so - followng it. Anybody who don't have a reason for that - just don't do it. I know many muslim girls who don't wear "the towels" as you call it:) They say they don't want - but they admire those who have strength to do so. They pray 5 times a day, they do many things a muslim should do, but no towels - anyway they don't leave a hope that some day they will.

No -makeup is not a signal that one who wears it should be raped - common:)
I didn't want to mislead you - you probably think now that muslim women don't use it:)

Why you had this reaction - I think that you totally disagree with the statement that woman should belong to one man (her husband) and no other men have a right to make any sexual connections with her or anything that may lead to sexual. Then it come these simple rules - you want - you follow. You don't want - up to you. Nobody force you. I know a girl who feels like naked when she don't cover her hair from other men's eyes. She said before when she was wearing tight jeans or this kind of clothes, she felt every men's stares and she said - you will never understand it - cause your not a lady. But again - some women love it - some can't live with that and have to use a shield.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]


Of course - in Tunis it's restricted to wear hidjab in official places.


Completely agree with you


Actually this is very strange - these are the same words that muslim women use when trying to convince non-muslim women that they (non-muslim) have rights as women. Muslim women think that non-muslim lady has no protection from law - she can be beaten by hasband, she can be cheated by hasband - and so on and so on.

Nobody could belong to anybody - you're right. But - when people get married, they take on some responsibilities. If you don't want to bear responsibility - don't get married. If my wife saying taht she is free hguman being and go hit the bars with strangers - that's ok, but I don't like this woman to be my wife - and I have a right toclaim for divorse. Marriage is sacred. That's what I believe in. And vise versa - woman has a right as wife to claim for divorse (despite of that her hasband is free human being). Or you think it's not fair?


My godness:))) Of course you have the right to wear anything! And of course NOBODY has a right to tell you what you have to wear. We talking about women, who feel "unsafe and uncomfortable" wearing tight cloth! And they have a right to hide their bodies also. We are not talking about poor european girls who are forsed to wear hidjab - we talking about muslim ladies who is in danger wearing hidjab in europe.


I really don't know where you get this - of course raped woman is not punished - for what?! If somebody come up to you and hit you on the head, you think you're going to be punished?! I really don't understand who has a perverted vision.. Of course attackers will be punished not a victim.


Never heard about it - once in former soviet union republic I asked why the guy has no finger and got the answer that it was cut off because he was a thief - but it was not islamic country.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]


Mistake again. If you want to know about something - don't use these sources for get informed. You could see for yourself where the problem is - you rely on other's opinion and thoughts - never do this in case you need a REAL answers for your questions. Of course only in case you need it - if you don't, you may live your life with idea that "don't tell me about Islam - I know all about it - one guy on forum told me what it is" - and you'll be the coolest guy in your company:) Until you clarify your version of Islam to one who knows - oops....

"Now, last summer I saw a muslim girl wearing a pair of tight white jeans that left little to the immagination - yet she covered her head. but thats okay?"

I don't think it's ok but this girl may think it it is - it's her life and she is the one who makes decisions, right?

"They feel uncomfortable because of the perverts in muslim countries, because men have little or no respect for women, this is why they fear, it is men who makes them feel so.

As for muslim women in danger who wear the hidjab - I dont think so and if they are its probably because people are scared that there might be a bomb under it! or even a man trying to flee from the country!"

It would be too simple. The case is, that I was talking to girls, converted to Islam and who is living in Europe - and who is not Muslim born. They are Europeans. ANY man in ANY country will take estimating looks at nice girls - I was doing so before and I thought it was very natural. Everybody doing so. And most of the girls like it - except some that need protection from this.

As for "hidjab wearing danger" - you think it is important to me what is the reasons - because of people's fear of terrorists or anything else? Before I tried to convince my wife not wearing it when we travel to places where hidjab view can provoke a violence, but she has love to God in her heart that is more then fear of being violated. And she is strong in her believe.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]


I really don't think so - if you need it, I will try to find exact info.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]

to find it out, I need to refer to muslim jurisdiction system, caled "Fikh", or ask someone who studied Fikh and have a degree in that. Internet is not a place to look for this kind of informantion.

Work / ABOUT POLISH WORKERS [28]


Polish are good and hardworking when it comes to work. I know what I'm talking about - was working with them in Florida and we had some construction projects in Virginia which involved Polish guys. But they have to be motivated - like everybody else I supppose. Think you just had a bad luck.

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and that's very cool:) and going to be like that maybe for another 50 or 60 years, if you're lucky enough and will be living to this age. Never thought what comes next?:)

Again - I think it's very fair that when a man living on this Earth, during his lifetime he gets the most of life with all its beautiful gifts regardless wether he is a believer or not-believer. Only after he dies he get what he really deserves. And I think there's a wisdom in it.

'Cause if anyone has a clue what fornication can lead to (just nice one-night-stand out of wedlock) , think he would thought that lashes (if it will save him from what is going to come) is most beautiful thing in the world. Sounds apalling to you, I know - but this is for people who prefer to stay sober and realise what life is and why it was given to them.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]

and some was lucky enough to get brain in addition

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]


about the world you live in, buddy.

Law / Where to invest in Poland? Maybe export, import? [5]

invest in land in ukraine - we invested 5 months ago and got 200% already.
And they have international law - investors are safe.

Law / Traders and Exporters [8]

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