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The Polish First Armoured was part of the British Army when they fought at Falise.
It is not incorrect to say the British releived Breda.

It was felt unwise to fan flames of anger amongst the Nazis occupying Poland.
It was also felt unwise to fan the same flames of anger with the Ruskies.

If you consider the way the bloody handed Wehrmacht butchered unarmed Polish civilians in the undefended parts of Warsaw during and after the Rising, you may understand the wisdom in that decision.

If you consider way the Russians held back whilst the Polish Free Army fought the SS during the Rising, you may understand the wisdom in that decision.

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The 101st Airborne also stopped the Nazi advance Nunczka, they made their stand at Bastogne.

Our Typhoons (Brit/Polish) were our main anti-tank weapons against Nazi armour, along with our 17 pounders.
Bad flying weather meant that the Typhoons could not be used against the Nazis during the early stages of their break out.

The American M18 tank destroyers were effective against Nazi Tigers during the Battle of the Bulge.

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Bratwurst, whilst it's true that the Hitler Youth faught with fanatical courage, you may reduce the romance in your contributions if you study they way Nazi High Command distributed their best units, expecially their best armoured units, against Europe's Liberators.

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Marmite certainly sorts out the men from the boys Bubbles.

'Marmite is the most rancid scrapings from the festering underpants of the Devil himself.'

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Coventry was the first British city to get "Coventrated" Nunckza.
I don't know if it was the most bombed.
I think that one raid in 1940 more or less wiped it out.
And wiped much of our motor industry out.

London was probably the most bombed, but it was a lot bigger, and wasn't wiped out.
Although the Docklands got a pretty good pasting.
Night, after night, after night until East Enders were nearly ready to throw in the towel in fact.

Have you read 'Up Front' by Bill Mauldin Nunckza?
A brillant account by a Doggie of a Doggie's life from Africa to the South of France via Sicily, Salerno, Anzio, and the South of France.

South of France was his best "invasion".

It always amuses me to read that Americans "invaded" Europe.
From our point of view, Italy was the last invasion.
The landings in Normandy was us liberating Europe from the Nazi Jackboot.

Somewhere in his book Bill tells what life was like for a Doggie in terms that the folks back home might understand.
He makes the point that American soldiers didn't know what it was like to have their homes destroyed, their wives raped, and their children killed, so they had a different view of the enemy, whom he calls Germans or Krauts.

Too true, over here, we called them for what they were, Nazis.
Our Sweats reckoned that the only good son's of Evil Adolph were those hanging from trees.
We knew most of them weren't German.
We knew that they came from every country in Europe.

I read elsewhere on this forum that the so called "Germans" surrendered without much of a fight and cried like babies.
I expect it's true since it's an account of an eyewitness account.
Bill records how, in the South of France, "Germans" prefered to be captured by his 45th Division to being taken by the French civilians fighting with rifles ahead of the doggies.

In Normandy, our guys, which included the Polish divisions, found the opposite.
They found the enemy kept their fingers on the triggers until they were close enough to stick their bayonets in them.
And that Nazis came from every country in Europe, even from Poland.
When the Poles finally broke into Cassino, they found Poles fighting stubbornly for the Nazis, not one was taken alive according to a friend who served with the Polish Corps.

Another book well worth reading if you are interested in Poland's experiences at the hands of the Nazi Army is the 'Wehrmacht' by Wolfram Wetter.

The first 100 or so pages are about as dry as dust, the rest is better.
I found it helped me understand what I had learned from WW2 veterans, and how most of the Hollywood accounts portraying the Vehrmacht as human beings was pure bunkum.

/Wehrmacht-History-Myth-Reality/dp/0674025776/

I expect you've found: ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/gcpol2.htm

but I'll mention it just in case.

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'German infantry rode their tanks into battle, and the dogfaces shot them off like squirrels but they didn't get them all ___ some came in and bayoneted our guys in their holes.

Four American tank destroyers crossed the canal and bounced shells off a Tiger until it turned its massive gun and disintegrated them with 5 shells.

Bodies of fanatical you Germans piled up in front of teh machine guns, and when the guns ran out of ammunition the Wehermacht came through and was stopped only by point blank artillery.'

I know why the Germans fight so stubbornly even when they seem to have lost the war. They don't want to take the rap for what they've done.

Germans know how much people hate them. When they surrender, most Germans say "We are regular army -- not SS". Maybe they feel a little less guilty.

No actor on earth could have imitated the thorough contempt and disgust and hatred that was on the face of every French child who watched German prisoners march by.

From an eyewitness account by a frontline infantryman autumn '44.

Included to give a picture of the sort of problems faced closing the Falaise gap.

It wasn't like they show on the movies.
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Salomen, I've read the rules about Volksdeutch, and know the way the Nazis applied them.

My Polish cousin by marriage and his two brothers were recruited into the Kreigsmarin, to save their parents' lives.
They lived near the German Polish border but were 100% Polish and had no Nazi sympathies.

When their U-boat was sunk, they survived, travelled across Europe on the underground, re-trained in Persia, and joined the 8th Army in North Africa.
My cousin was seriously injured at Cassino.

A friend in the Polish Home Army tells me the Nazis in Warsaw recruited any one they could get.
It was simply a case of signing on the bottom line, no questions asked.
If you stop to consider that the total population in German in 1939 was a bit over 50 million, less than half of whom were males.
That many of the males were too young, too old, not medically fit, you will realise that the Nazis had a serious man-power shortage considering they were fighting on three fronts in 1944, and had lost huge number to prison camps and graves.

If you check you will find the Nazis kidnapped hundreds of thousands of Polish children to Nazify.
By 1944, a proportion of those children would be fighting with the Hitler Youth.
By 1945, their brainwashing was so complete that most of them refused to accept they were Polish and refused to return home.

From what I read on the Internet, Poles were spread through various units rather than concentrated in one place.

History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]

Salomen, I've read the rules about Volksdeutch, and know the way the Nazis applied them.

My Polish cousin by marriage and his two brothers were recruited into the Kreigsmarin, to save their parents' lives.
They lived near the German Polish border but were 100% Polish and had no Nazi sympathies.

When their U-boat was sunk, they survived, travelled across Europe on the underground, re-trained in Persia, and joined the 8th Army in North Africa.
My cousin was seriously injured at Cassino.

A friend in the Polish Home Army tells me the Nazis in Warsaw recruited any one they could get.
It was simply a case of signing on the bottom line, no questions asked.
He was active in defending Poland from the Nazis from the Nazis from 1939 until the end of the Rising.
He is due to travel to meet the President in Warsaw this summer.
He has already been awarded the Krzyż Komandorski Orderu Odrodzenia Polski.
His knowledge of what what teh Nazis got up to in Warsaw is probably as reliable as any.

If you stop to consider that the total population in German in 1939 was a bit over 50 million, less than half of whom were males.
That many of the males were too young, too old, not medically fit, you will realise that the Nazis had a serious man-power shortage considering they were fighting on three fronts in 1944, and had lost huge number to prison camps and graves.

If you check you will find the Nazis kidnapped hundreds of thousands of Polish children to Nazify.
By 1944, a proportion of those children would be fighting with the Hitler Youth.
By 1945, their brainwashing was so complete that most of them refused to accept they were Polish and refused to return home.

From what I read on the Internet, Poles were spread through various units rather than concentrated in one place.

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Bratvurst, why do you think a doggie in the US Army's Fighting 45th Division,
who'd gone in under fire at Sicily, Salerno, Anzio, and the South of France,
a man with a substantial International reputation for integrity
would lie?

Just to embarrass and confuse you 65 years later perhaps?

If you really want to know what the Heer behaved like, read the Whermacht, by Wolfram Wetter.
Read the eye witness reports from Warsaw civilians.

It's all available now that the Cold War is over.

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They were not my sentences Bratwurst.

Those sentences were written in '44 by a doggie liberating France.

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Exactly what do you feel that insight should have told that doggie Bratwurst?

Incidentally, the writer was probably one of the most insightful people alive in '44.

Tell me, have you any knowledge of what happened to the children the Nazis left behind in France?

Or what happened to the French ladies who fraternised with the 'Boche' ?

Do you know what happened to French men who fraternized with the 'Bosche'?

Perhaps you feel that they all lacked insight?

Perhaps you feel that you alone are gifted with insight into events that you did not witness?

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Sokrates, there weren't enough home-grown Germans to go round.

The Nazis defending defending Evil Adolph Empire came from all corners of his Empire.

Between 500,000 and 1,000,00 Polish Nationals signed up to become Nazi soldiers.
Why not, the Nazi army was the best fed and best equipped army in Europe.
Nazis lived off the fat of every country in Europe, their soldiers got beer, sausage, and bread every day.

If you were a Nazi, you were a member of the Master Race.
If you were volksDeutch Nazi, that was nearly as good.
Your family got fed, while those around were half starved.
You didn't get kicked around by Nazis, your wife wasn't raped by Nazis.

The alternative was often a slave labour camp.
Sometimes a punishment camp.

Bratvurst, nought out of 10 for insight I'm afraid.

The post war myths were deliberately brought about by the Western Allies to hold free Europe together in their stand-off with Russia.
They let the Nazi Generals write their own history.
They re-armed Germany, and let the Nazi Generals who had orchestrated the Vehrmacht's many attrocities because they need to get their own men home.

You are correct that it is ridiculous to blame Germans for the Nazis.
Many Germans died in punishment camps because they didn't toe the Nazi line.
Germans were outnumbered by other Nationals by 1944.

Nazi-ism was the most evil plague that ever crawled this earth.
Under Evil Adolph's guiding hand it infected much of German and Austria, and smaller groups in other countries.
They'd seen Germany's standard of living rise on the backs of industries funded by money stolen from Jews and Jews working at slave labour in those factories and wanted some of it.

Please God let me be so dumb
that unto Auschvitz I shall not come.

Evil Adolph wasn't German.
Austrians in the SS outnumbered Germans pro-rata at the start of the War.

They held on to Europe for a very short time as Empires go.
Evil Adolph reckoned on a thousand years.
His Empire lasted barely one 1000 days.

Nazis certainly didn't get enthusiastic support anywhere.
Evil Adolph need brutal troops in every occupied keep teh lid on a smouldering cauldron of hatred.

They held onto it through fear, which proved their downfall in the end.

But there, I relying on historical fact not your insight, so I daresay you'll have some propaganda to ricule fact.

Oh yes, I expect that author had a way with words.
I find authors tend to have a way with words.
In fact, I suspect that having a way with words is a pre-requisite to being an author.
But a way with words doesn't make a man a liar, and it doesn't rob him of insight.

However much you may wish it to.

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I couldn't get your link to work Bratvurst.

Could you check it for mistakes and publish it again please?

Jo G's picture are always worth a 1000 words.

Would you agree with me perhaps that dear Jo G had a very special way with words?

Is that you or me lost for reality Bratvurst?

Sub-humans Bratvurst, erstwhile humans devoid of human decency.

Not stuck anywhere, perhaps I have a bit of a way with words?
I'm fairly fluent with many Englishes.
If you care to tell me your favourite, I'll consider it.
But please don't expect me to spell Martians with a small m.

Many divisions in rural France robbing Frenchmen to fuel alcohol and lust.

What makes you think I'm a boy Bratvurst?
I never assumed you were a sausage.

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Nunczka, do you believe that Pope Benedict was not an active participant in the Hitler Youth?

IsThat. . . ,

Less than 10% of the population supported the Nazis in the areas you mentioned.
Less than 10% does not constitute support.
It was just the normal minority of thugs and rapists seeing a good career opportunity.

The idea of a Nazi invasion is fatuous.
Hitler was more interested in murdering Russians.
The thugs, rapists, and paedophiles in any country are eager to grab any opportunity.
The problem in any war is civilizing people, uncivilising them, as Evil Adolph demonstrated, is easier than falling off a log.
What surprises me is the enormous difficulty the Nazis had in uncivilising their empire.
Even in Paris, they got less than 10% support.
Not that many French ladies welcomed the Nazis with open legs.
Most seemed to prefer poverty and near starvation with the ever present risk of being carted off to slavery in Germany to fornicating their way to luxury and syphilis.

What does your imagination believe the Nazis did with the wealth they plundered from Jews then?
What does your imagination believe the Nazis used Jewish slaves for?

True the Americans didn’t have such a rough time liberating Vichy as they did Normandy, but much of their success was down to the French civilians.

Eye witness report from an infantryman liberating Vichy.

‘The Maquis and FFI helped a lot, particularly in the mountains. By actually pitching in and helping to chase the krauts out, the French saved many of their towns from destruction.’

Salomen, well you can't take water to a horse and make it drink that's for sure.

Just as you can't bring knowledge to a brat and made him learn.

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Nunczka them as didn't participate actively ended up at Auschvitz.
Or some other punishment camp.

Priest who didn't actively preach the gospel according to Evil Adolph in their churches went to Mauthausen where they were worked until they dropped, and then killed in an "interesting" way.

Non-participation wasn't an option.

It was a Nazi thing.

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From a contemporary account of skirmishes between Vire and Falaise.
Not Poles I'm afraid, but they faced a similar enemy.
Nazi in this instance, since the writer is British, means any soldier either regular or SS.

'The Nazis gave up the village, and in one house the white flag was hung out.
Just as the Commanding Officer's jeep was passing the building an N.C.O. saw the muzzle of a rifle poked through the top window.

A shot followed and the C.O. was hit.
Guardsmen rushed up the stairs and fired into the room.
The German surrendered and came down with his hands up.
The Guards, however, were in no mood to have mercy on a man firing under cover of a white flag, and the Nazi was shot.

Later on a British lorry was driven down the road towards the Guards with a white flag flying from the driver's cabin.
Two Guardsmen stepped out from their cover and were shot down by a Nazi lying under the canvas hood.

A hail of machine-gun bullets tore into the lorry, setting it on fire, and the Nazi sniper received four bullets in his stomach.
Trapped under the hood, with the flames mounting around him, the wounded German sang the "Horst Wessel" song at the top of his voice until his wounds overcame him and he died in his flaming shroud.'

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Temper, Temper.

If you continue to throw your dollies out of the pram Bratwurst, I won't even bother to read your contributions.

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IsThat. . . , you ducked my questions.
Here they are again.

What does your imagination believe the Nazis did with the wealth they plundered from Jews then?
What does your imagination believe the Nazis used Jewish slaves for?

How do those questions constitute a lecture please?

Exactly how have I accused anyone of holocaust denial?

You sure it was the Reich that printed the money?

Incidentally, I spoke purely of recruitment in other countries after Krystalnacht Is That.
Since the Nazis didn't start robbing and enslaving Jews until after Knacht, how can you possibly muddle the two?
Why do you quote the size of the Jewish population in Deutchland Is That?
The Nazis rapped, robbed, enslaved and murdered Jews from teh Med to the Artic Circle, and the English Channel to the Urals.
The Vehrmacht murdered 50,000 women children and old men in Yuri Gar.

I daresay you know how many perished in in various extermination camps.

I am very familiar with the excuse that 'I didn't want to do it Sir, the big kids made me do it,'
I daresay every ex-schoolboy is.

We called Nazis carnivorous sheep during and after the War..

The only distinction I see between SS and Vehrmacht is that Evil Adolph ordered the SS murder civilians, whilst the Vehrmacht murdered civilians without orders from Evil Adolph.

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Is That . . . I give it one more go, but if you continue being rude to me, I'll close the door and that will be that.

Part of the problem is that the quote system takes things out of context.
The context is Poles at Falaise.

There were 3 distinct types of Poles at that party.
American ones.
"British" ones.
Nazi ones.

The comments you took out of context, and then argued against looked at view of invaded country (Poland) recruits into the Vehrmacht.

Immigrants (Jews) aren't loved in any country.
They weren't loved in Poland.
People resented that Jews got rich, stinking rich.
They blamed Jews for their poverty.
That's the way people saw Jews after the depression, you can point out that it's not historical fact until you are blue in the face, but you won't alter the fact that that was how people saw Jews.

You won't alter the fact that that's how potential recruits to Nationalist parties see immigrants.

Nazi ideology exploited that racialism amongst in invaded countries.
Those with a natural pleasure in bullying, robbing, raping, torturing, and murdering wanted some of it.
· To their mind, the Nazis were robbing the Jews to build up their industry.
· To their mind, the Nazis were enslaving the Jews to build up their industry.
And the Poles who joined the Nazis wanted some of it.
Hence my questions to you, the ones you ducked, are relevant because they get you to look at it from a viewpoint other than your own.

Invasions are expensive.
Occupations are expensive.
Invasions and occupations were a growth industry in Nazi-Germany.
The Jews helped to fund it.
The Nazis even took the gold fillings out of Jews' teeth.
The Nazis used the gold fillings to top up the pot that bought the diesel for the diesel engines that poisoned the Jews.
The Nazis even collected up the dirty knickers from Jews in case they might be useful.
The Poles wanted some of that became Nazis.

Understand their point of view, or remain ignorant of it; it's your choice.

Thank you for identifying and confirming where Vehrmacht butchers killed so many Jews.

Did you know that during their retreat across Russia, the Wehrmacht dug up and burnt the evidence as part of their most successful propaganda coup?

The myth of the Wehrmacht's clean hands?

Is That . . .
A Nazi Heinkel 111 at "rooftop" height straffed a infants' school children in the school playground just before 0900hrs in Bexleyheath Kent in the Spring of 1943.

He killed several and injured many.
The school lay to the left of his flight path.
He only squeezed off a short deliberate burst rather than randomly spraying the area.

Bexleyheath was an entirely residential area at the time.

Immediately before straffing those children he opened up on other civilians.

It was fairly normal practice for hit and run Nazi bombers.

Id That . . .

It is reliably reported that when the Nazis seached Picassos flat, an officer stopped to look at a painting of Guernica, he asked.
. . . Did you do this?'

Picasso replied'

. . . 'No, you did'.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_(painting)

For them as don't know about Guernic, it's where the Nazi Airforce established it's reputation as an anti-civilian terrorist organization.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Guernica

Is That . . .

If it's murder, it's murder, is to blunt a tool.

The Nazi's 'murdered' for personal gain.
When they murdered their way into another country, they went to the Bank to withdraw the gold reserves for Evil Adolph.
They raised taxes to pay the costs of their Occupation.
They took a large percentage of what the factories produced for Nazi consumption.
They murdered the halt the sick and the lame.
When they invaded Poland they murdered the prisoners and their guards.
They murdered Jewsih women and children.

When the RAF "murdered", they murdered to save life.
Rightly or wrongly, they expected mass bombing to shorten the War.
They expected that by shortening the War they would save lives.

If you transfer the comparison to Japan.
When the Yanks took an island, the Japanese civilians on that Island committed suicide.
Additionally, Japanese soldiers "murdered" a lot of GIs.
And a lot of GIs murdered Jap soldiers.

It's estimated, rightly or wrongly, the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved at least 2 million lives more they they cost.
There seems little doubt that if the Emporer had not told the Japs to lay down their weapons, the Japs would have fought to the last man, and the civilians would have committed suicide.

I've never seen any balance sheets for Allied bombing in Germany.
I don't know if it prolongued or shortened the War.

I do know that the intention was to shorten the was, and to save lives.
That's both Nazi and Allied lives.

It's "HEAR HEAR"

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B17s bombed Dresden just after us Nunkzka.
The raid had two purposes.
1) To reduce troops movements against the Ruskies.

2) To advize the Ruskies to advance no further than the agreed line.

I've seen academic arguments both for and against the idea that our bombing saved lives.

Yup our Typhoons certainly used to make a mess of Nazi armour.
A friend who flew during the Battle of the Bulge told me he almost felt sorry for the Nazis.
A rocket from a Typhoon burst a Tiger open like a paper bag.
We used to flash our Fireflies (up-gunned Shermans) to draw the Nazi armour out so the Tiffies could have a bit of fun.

So far, I've been unable to find a contemporary account of fighting undertaken by British Pole during the push to trap the Nazis at Falaise.

Here's an account of fighting undertaken by other Allied troops in the same area.
I daresay, it's very similar to what the Poles experienced.

Here we were, then, sitting at the bottom of . . . , its thickly forested slopes hiding a considerable force of Nazis.
During the months of preparation for the Normandy invasion the War Office planners realised that this mountain was the key to success.
Plans were made for its capture at the earliest moment, but events had ordered otherwise, and now, two months from the date of our landing, we were making the first assault on an objective which, if held in strength, could prove almost impregnable, and could, in any case, hold up all our plans for smashing the Nazis unless it could quickly be reduced.

The broken country protecting the main mass of the mountain was thickly wooded and broken by small streams running between deep banks.
Towards the broad, rather flat summit the trees gave way to stunted bushes and heather.

The task of carrying this stronghold by assault was given to . . . , who were assisted by a regiment of tanks, the . . . Hussars. The infantry Brigade consisted of the . . . Battalions of the . . . Infantry.

For three days the battle raged along the mountain slopes.
Then, on the night of . . . two months after we landed on the beaches, a troop of Sherman tanks from the . . . clambered up the last slope, followed by the footsore warriors of the . . . .

For those three days the . . . had fought without rest and almost without food.
They had fought amongst the silver birches and the waist-high bracken and had faced heavy mortar and machine-gun fire as they forced themselves up and through the enemy.

During those three days they had three meals.
Each morning they had a light breakfast and then nothing until the next morning.'
Only men endowed with supreme courage and trained to perfection could have accomplished such a stupendous task. . .

"The Germans were clever," he admitted, "and waited until we were a few hundred yards from them before opening fire.
We could not go back and we couldn't call up artillery to help us, so we just had to clean out the machine-gun nests."

The words sound so simple. "We just had to clean out the machine-gun nests."
I have seen that process.
Men crawl on their bellies through grass and along hedges.
Before them lies the machine-gun.
They can see little, but usually the enemy can see them as they crawl, and a stream of bullets suddenly screams a few inches over their heads or bites into the ground at their side.

The work of cleaning out a machine-gun nest is arduous, with sudden death the reward for an instant of inattention, and sometimes death comes just the same.

I was able to picture that scene along the valley slopes of these gallant men stalking the Spandaus, dying under the lovely trees, their hands clutching convulsively at the wild flowers, the sun fading as the sombre shadows of death closed over them.

The Colonel took up his tale again.
On the second day they went into support of the . . . , their sister battalion.
The Colonel looked up, his eyes shining as he spoke of the . . . .
He gave ungrudging praise to them, for it was they who broke through the German defences in a bloody battle.

"Theirs is the credit for our success," he said. "They did the close work."
The . . . came up against strong infantry defences, and on those steep, shady slopes fought out a grim battle.

Men fought in little groups, taking on the enemy in hand-to-hand combats.
A burst from Sten guns and then the bayonet.
In those forest glades men slipped and struggled against an enemy strongly entrenched and camouflaged 'by the natural surroundings.
The Nazis fought it out grimly, for their orders were to stand to the last man.
The men of Wiltshire saw that the Nazis died.
The ground was red with the blood of the slain and the wounded.

Fought out in a silence broken only by the sobbing breath of exhausted men and the shrill cry of agony as bayonets struck fiercely into yielding flesh, the battle swayed up and down the hillsides.

Both battalions came into the scene, and the . . . were caught in a terrible crossfire from machine-guns and mortars, but they broke through the enemy, and chased them up the mountain.

No tanks could aid them in this close country, and after each advance up the mountain they would be held up again by cunningly hidden machine-guns and mortars which did not open up until the . . . were nearly on top of them.

At last, on the third day, the tanks, which :had been struggling up the mountain in country where tanks would not normally attempt to operate, broke through and fought their way to the summit.

Crashing "through the bracken, avoiding demolitions of gunsites and concrete forts, they stood in a little group, this troop of the . . . .
Behind them came the . . . , weary but happy.
. . . was ours.

All that night they heard the Nazis digging in, and for both tanks and infantry the position was very uncomfortable.
Exposed to anti-tank guns as they stood starkly on the summit, the little force might have been overwhelmed by a sudden counter-attack, but the enemy, too, were tired, and they had been cut to pieces in hand-to-hand battles and were not anxious to renew their acquaintance with the . . . .

Besides, the tanks were there, and where a few tanks stood more tanks could be brought up, so the Hun gave it up as a bad job and left the mountain to the victors.

The opposition never materialised, and the Colonel, who was now nearly asleep, looked up and added his last words on the subject. "The only Germans we saw on top of the mountain were those who gave themselves up."

He closed his eyes, the map slipped from his knees, and he was asleep.
I tiptoed away.

The cooks had tea ready, and the men dipped their canteens into the dixies and went back to their hedges and trees.
Some took a sip and then went straight off to sleep. Some washed the grime from their faces first and then slept, but within half an hour not all the artillery barrages of Normandy could have waked . . .


A)
Me, I'd be so brave, so cool, so calm, and so collected Nunczka,
that I wouldn't even notice I'd filled my underpants and puked-up my last meal
and be busy praying that my chattering teeth didn't give away my position.

b)
I'd avoid both of them to the best of my ability Nunczka.

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Your mistake is to blame one race when many races were involved.

The Nazi creed, the most vile plague that ever crawled this earth, established it's evil largely through racial hatred.
Nazis were the so-called Master "Race".
But it was only a matter of signing on the dotted line to become a member of the "Master Race". third class.

Race became a matter of party membership.

Nazis saw some races as a threat to the purity of the "Master Race".
They, Jews, needed exterminating, along with mentally ill, gypsies, etc.

Other races just needed their non-Nazi leaders exterminating.
The rest would be useful workers, incapable of original thought.
Nazi considered Poles fitted that category.
Big mistake.

The Nazis were happy to work "inferior" races to death as slave labour.
Polish Nazis were happy to work Polish slaves to death.
French Nazis were happy to work French slaves to death.

The creed is to blame not a race.

It's pointless blaming modern Germans for Nazi evils.
They are victims of Evil Adolph's crazy creed.
Modern Germans are not responsible in any way for the racial hatred that engulfed Europe after WW1.

Blaming Germans and Nazi-ism have much in common.
They are bloated with evil, and awash with racial hatred.

Blaming Germans for the Nazis is an Evil Creed.
Just as evil as Naziism.
And and spawned by the Evil genius.

Move on.
Attack Racial Hatred.
Attack Naziism.

There's probably less racial hatred in Germany today than in most other countries in Europe.

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Your mistake is to blame one race when many races were involved.

The Nazi creed, the most vile plague that ever crawled this earth, established it's evil largely through racial hatred.
Nazis were the so-called Master "Race".
But it was only a matter of signing on the dotted line to become a member of the "Master Race". third class.

Race became a matter of party membership.

Nazis saw some races as a threat to the purity of the "Master Race".
They, Jews, needed exterminating, along with mentally ill, gypsies, etc.

Other races just needed their non-Nazi leaders exterminating.
The rest would be useful workers, incapable of original thought.
Nazi considered Poles fitted that category.
Big mistake.

The Nazis were happy to work "inferior" races to death as slave labour.
Polish Nazis were happy to work Polish slaves to death.
French Nazis were happy to work French slaves to death.

The creed is to blame not a race.

It's pointless blaming modern Germans for Nazi evils.
They are victims of Evil Adolph's crazy creed.
Modern Germans are not responsible in any way for the racial hatred that engulfed Europe after WW1.

Your blaming Germans, and Nazi-ism have much in common.
They are bloated with evil, and awash with racial hatred.

Blaming Germans for the Nazis is an Evil Creed.
Just as evil as Naziism.
And and spawned by the Evil genius.

Move on.
Attack Racial Hatred.
Attack Naziism.

There's probably less racial hatred in Germany today than in most other countries in Europe.

History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Your mistake is to blame one race when many races are involved.

The Nazi creed, the most vile plague that ever crawled this earth, established it's evil largely through racial hatred.

And you still haven't learnt the lesson that lies in the in the horrors brought about by [b]negative racial discrimination have you?[/b]

You are still banging on like Evil Adolph's biggest fans.

Take the advice that Thumper's mother offered him,

'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.'