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sjam   
13 Jan 2009
History / 70th Anniversary of start of WWII [50]

Can anyone tell me if anything has been or is being planned for the 70th Anniversary of start of WWII (2009) in Poland ?

Don't know what is happening in Poland but a major new Polish Forces War Memorial is being designed and built at the National Memorial Arboretum, Staffordshire, England is to be unveiled at a commemoration ceremony in September 2009. This is a non-governmental initiative by the families of UK Polish veterans and the memorial pays tribute to Polish land forces, Airforce, Navy and Underground Resistance forces—it also recognises those Polish forces that fought alongside the Red Army in the final victory over Nazism in Berlin 1945.

Project website is at (www) PolishForcesMemorial.com


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sjam   
13 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Soviet governments’ refusal to use their air fields was just that, a test to see if Allies will uphold their part of the bargain reached at Yalta, which btw Allies seemed to pass with flying colors.

I have probably missunderstood the point you are trying to make but factually the Yalta conference took place in February 1945 some four months after the Warsaw Rising capitulation. So any western Allied landing rights on Soviet contolled air fields were an irrelevance by the time of the Yalta conference?
sjam   
14 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I am specifically targeting Tehran in late November of 1943. It was at this conference where Stalin pushed for the the borders of post-war Poland to be set along the Oder and Neisse rivers and the Curzon line.

Is it not now widely accepted that the Oder and Neisse line proposal mentioned was not originally a Soviet concept but one that was postulated much earlier by General Sikorski as a pragmatic solution to Poland's place in post-war Europe.

Sikorski's wartime policy was aimed at the recreation of an independent and viable Poland after the war. Sikorski's aim was that a revised Polish state boundary along the Oder and Neisse rivers (and an approximation of the Curzon line in the East) would secure Poland lasting peace with the USSR.

As part of Sikorski's post-war plan for Poland he also envisioned a federation of central European states which would be a counter-balance to USSR power and any future resurgent German state.

First class study on this issue is:
Poland's place in Europe : General Sikorski and the origin of the Oder-Neisse line, 1939-1943 by Sarah Meiklejohn Terry

As an aside it does make one wonder which faction would want to see Sikorski dead—if his death were no simple accident?
sjam   
14 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Piorun:
This particular mission was strictly on the voluntary basis, look it up and then preach.

You are making the claim: you back it up.

Hope this helps?

"Under relentless political pressure from the Polish Government and its military staffs in London, Air Marshall Slessor relented and on August 8 allowed volunteer Polish crews to fly to Poland."

Sources for further reading:

Michael A. Peszke "Polish special duties Flight no. 1586 and the Warsaw Uprising". Air Power History.

Airlift to Warsaw: The Rising of 1944 by Neil D. Orpen

Destiny Can Wait: The Polish Air Force in the Second World War
Edited by M. Lisiewicz, J. Baykowski, J. Glebocki, R. Gluski, and Dr. W. Czerwinski
sjam   
14 Jan 2009
History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

Poland for whatever reason you want to use (too pussy/too nice/too fair) never exploited other nations.

In 20th Century history I think some Ukranians (and to a smaller extent Slovakians when part of Slovakia was occupied by Poland in December 1938) might have reason to disagree with such an absolute and definitive statement.
sjam   
14 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

This is all true of course. But I personally do not see how Sikorski or his government's position re a Red Cross investigation of Katyn would mean Sikorski was a target of some USSR, USA or British sponsored assasination conspiracy? But weren't the two previous Sikorski aircraft related 'incidents' which included an onboard explosive device much earlier that the Katyn graves disclosures and subsequent furore?

It has proved a great debating subject for decades and it would make for even more exciting future debates if evidence could be found that implicated one government or another....but somehow I don't think any such evidence will be found on these three suspects.

I have no problem with the fact that General Sikorski proposed the Oder and Neisse line in the west. The problem is that both Roosevelt and Churchill officially agreed that the eastern borders of Poland would roughly follow the Curzon Line.

An approximation of the curzon line eastern boundary was also proposed by General Sikorski. The giving up of eastern Polish territory was to be compensated by the westward shift of Polish borders to the Oder and Neisse line again this was Sikorski's concept. Therefore this can't be fairly or entirely laid at either Roosevelt and Churchill's door. The issue was that Sikorski's plan was obviously an anathema to many in the Polish-government-in-exile and was never likely to be acceptable to them. Ironically Sikorski's plan though was eventually the settlement that became the post-war reality however the big difference was that Stalin (with the de facto occupation of central Europe by the Red Army) was able to exploit the weakness of his western allies (including the sidelined Polish-government-in-exile) to his own ends as there was no willingness by Roosevelt and Churchill to fight the Soviets who had aftreall played a major role in the defeat the Nazi regime.
sjam   
14 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

The second point has little to do with the reliability of the source rather than my choice of quotation of the source(s). From the same source:

"The following is based on a number of historic accounts and the reports of the RAF Command in lhe Mediterranean theater of operations on August 4, the whole British RAF 148 Squadron of 15 planes, including the Poles, prepared for a flight to Warsaw. At last moment, Air Marshall Schlessor rescinded the order bUI allowed rhe mission to territOries in Poland but outside of Warsaw itself.

But the commander of the flight, Major Arciuszkiwicz, got four crews to volunleer to fly to Warsaw. The Polish mission was successful but the RAF crews attempting to drop supplies into Poland took heavy losses. Four were shot down and one crashed on landing at base.

Not surprisingly, given the Polish "independence" and RAF losses, Slessor ordered all flights to Poland to be placed on hold. This order was forcefully challenged by the Polish military in London. All efforts were made to get help and to get Slessor to rescind his order. Finally, under intense pressure from the highest political center of the British government, Slessor, with understandable poor grace. allowed Polish volunleers to fly to Warsaw."...........this was August 8. So the Warsaw Rising Museum is correct and so is my original quotation of the source if my point was to illustrate volunteering to fly to Warsaw.

The obligation of honoring the Atlantic Charter.

Absolutely agreed 100% ..... if it were otherwise my late father would have felt able to return to his home in Warsaw to live after the war!
sjam   
14 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Exactly, what made Poland so special?

Absolutely nothing in this respect.

The Atlantic Charter merely formalised the changing of the guard from Britain to the US as the world's leading superpower.

The USA, the USSR and China were the new post-war superpowers as seen by FDR and the old world empires of France, Belgium and Britain on the wane.

Two tiny little points:
Firstly, we are talking about British pilots, so giving us information about Polish crews and a Polish squadron isn't particularly helpful.

Forgot to address first point:
British RAF and South African SAAF crews were not volunteers for Warsaw Rising operations.
After initial heavy RAF losses only Polish crews undertook ' flying coffin' operations to Warsaw between 18 August and 1 September. Sosnkowki's continued pressure on General Wilson got Slesser to send RAF and SAAF crews back into action over Warsaw.

See: Airlift to Warsaw Rising of 1944. Neil Orpen.

If we are being pedantic a "Tiny point" also :-)
The Warsaw Uprising Museum is actually the Warsaw Rising Museum. The 'Rising' title was deliberatley chosen so as to distinguish the 1944 Rising from the 1943 Ghetto Uprising this was to address the fact that most people have never heard of the 1944 Rising and always assume any reference to aWarsaw Uprising was related entirely to the Ghetto Uprising.
sjam   
14 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Yet the European powers were allowed to keep their colonies, as were the USSR. The Atlantic Charter therefore did not constitute a US obligation to Poland.

Sadly the Atlanic Charter was as meaningless then as the Charter of The United Nations is today.
sjam   
14 Jan 2009
History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]

I've always been baffled by this. It's not like Poland somehow became wealthy post WW2 so how/where did this Jewish wealth come from?

Is it the cooperation with America and more precisely American Jews? This to me would make the most sense.

Walking around the streets of Warsaw (and other Polish cities) one only has to look at how the huge American investment in Poland in recent years has transformed the landscape since the collapse of communist economy. Maybe in another 25 years (which by then will roughly equate to the timescale since of the formation of the State of Isreal today) Poland will be equally as wealthy as Isreal is today but still 25 years behind. Russia with all its natural resources will of course outpace Poland and most other European economies.
sjam   
14 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I’d disagree with you about most people having never heard of the ’44 uprising but have heard of the ’43 uprising.

You may disagree it is absolutely your prerogative. But this rational was considered and acted on by the principles of the Warsaw Rising Museum and was pointed out to me in personal meetings with the people involved with the decision at the time. Research clearly demonstrated that when asked what the term 'Warsaw Uprising' was and who was involved the answer most often stated was it related to the Jewish Ghetto Uprising, full stop. This was most marked in the USA. I can email you the contact address of the relevant person at the Warsaw Rising Museum if you would like to hear first-hand confirmation of reasons they made this decision?

Shall I go on or would you like to stop talking about knowing what it feels like to be betrayed?

I doubt you. like me, are old enough to have known what the betrayal of the Ukraine or Poland actually felt like in the first person. It is a non-argument, in my opinion.

But I am not arrogant enough to say that in my life I have not betrayed someone in some small way or another or that I have not experienced being betrayed by some else in a similar small degree. Betrayal is in our human nature and is reflected in our national persona throughout the history of all nation states. So we all have, in my view some experience of what it feels like to be betrayed but not to the events described above.
sjam   
15 Jan 2009
History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]

Actually most of the investment has come from Europe. I'm struggling to think of even one large building or development in Warsaw which is American. Certainly none of the major shopping malls or skyscrapers here are American.

How did you miss the new Arkadia Shopping Centre, which is considered Poland's largest shopping area, and was built with finance underwritten by J.P. Morgan-Chase of the US.

Source American Chamber of Commerce in Poland:

Over the past ten years, American investors played a leading role in the Polish market. U.S. companies have contributed 15 percent of total cumulative foreign investment in Poland: a total of US$ 56 billion between 1992 and 2001. U.S. firms were the leading source of foreign investment during the years 1993-1997, ahead of investors from Germany, France, and Italy. Every year since, American companies have ranked among the top three FDI sources in Poland.
sjam   
15 Jan 2009
History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]

Think also of how many European countries have very little in the way of natural resources.

Surely, like Britain, didn't most European countries use European coal to fuel the furnaces of the industrial age to generate their industrial wealth and didn't these ecomomies benefit from metals and minerals exploited from conquered territories by the European imperialist empires of old?

It is people who make money, people with ideas and vision, but also ruthlessness.

Totally agree!

Probably because it was built by a company named European Retail Enterprises BV. Not an American company.

As you have noted US money paid the builders ;-)

With respect did you miss:

U.S. firms were the leading source of foreign investment during the years 1993-1997, ahead of investors from Germany, France, and Italy.

15% = the leading single source of investment. Full stop.
sjam   
15 Jan 2009
History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

Perhaps you might like to read and think before posting?

Maybe we can all take something from this

....must get back to work now.
sjam   
16 Jan 2009
History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]

Funny how nobody challenged the assumption that holocaust survivors are wealthy. You just can't get rid of the stereotype of money-grubbing jews, can you?

Good point.

But I think part of the reason that these stereotypes persist is that to many, the Jewish survivors of the Holocaust appear to have had a greater voice and been better compensated by the German state than other victim groups such as non-Jewish Poles—millions of whom were also concentration camp survivors and victims of forced labour to the Riech; for example my own grandmother from Warsaw, a prisoner at KZ Ravensbruck in April 1941 and then at KZ Sachenshausen and KZ Gethin in October 1944. By mentioning non-Jewish Poles I am not excluding the tens of thousands of other nationals and persecuted groups such as Roma and Sinti gypsies that were also victims of the Nazi racist war.

One cannot argue that the world (and I use this term loosely) still sees the Holocaust as a wholly Jewish experience which to the millions of non-Jewish victims is not the whole truth.
sjam   
16 Jan 2009
Genealogy / Why would someone lie about their age? [26]

He was born in 1928 but according to the church they said no he was born in 1924.

By using a false date of birth maybe his family were simply protecting him from being deported to Germany as a forced worker during the German occupation when thousands of teenagers and older adult Poles were forcibly taken in street-round ups and sent en masse to work in German industries and agriculture.
sjam   
17 Jan 2009
Genealogy / Why would someone lie about their age? [26]

I have to agree with the military suggestion above

In my opinion this is a very unlikely scenario given the time period.

At this time (1920s-30s) many young Poles (boys and girls) joined the Polish scouting movement which was a very different type of organisation than scouting in other countries; it was much more akin to a paramilitary organisation similar to army cadet corps in UK.

When war broke out these Polish scouts invariably enlisted (volunteered) into military units proper and without hesitation; many that were under age gave false dates of birth to be able to join the fight for their country. In the countryside there were also the paramiltary Forrester battalions which also had junior branches for young Poles to join these units mainly transformed into military units of the Polish underground resistance army or partisan groups composed of adults and teenagers.

I believe it would have been exceptional to want to avoid military service at this time.

You will undoubtedly have read about the later scouts heroic exploits during the Warsaw Rising? Poles were (are) probably one of the most patriotic nations on earth...it is in their DNA.

In my opinion if one was giving a younger false age it was more likely to have been to avoid a Nazi German dictate that was age-related such as deportation to forced labour. This age was from fourteen upwards.

This age restriction was in practice abandoned later in the war as German losses in battle mounted and German war industries needed more labour to continue production so very young children (from Poland and other German occupied countries of Eastern Europe and USSR) were also deported to the Reich as slave labourers. Young children's small fingers were very adept at assembling small munnitions and many were worked to death in German ammunition factories.
sjam   
17 Jan 2009
History / Polish soldier stories [50]

My great uncle fought against the soviets from 1944-1948 but was captured and went to jail.

The anti-communist resistance (or some call it a civil war) is one of the great forgotten stories of Poland's early post-war struggle to gain independence from Stalinist control. Some anti-communist resistance cells were still fighting until 1956.

Which AK unit did your great uncle fight under?
sjam   
17 Jan 2009
History / Good Polish History resource (book), any suggestions? [11]

If you want a good reference work for Poland WWII then I would recommend Poland in the Second World War by Dr. Józef Garliński. It may be out of print but I believe a new expanded edition is being worked on by his son Jarek Garliński.

Dr. Garliński has written a number of authoritative works on Poland's contribution to the allied victory in WWII. The best in my opinion was Poland the SOE and the Allies which recounts in part the formation and military operations of the cichociemni (or the Unseen and Silent) special force paratroops of the Polish Underground Army.
sjam   
17 Jan 2009
History / Polish soldier stories [50]

Kazimierz Tkacz : A Polish resistance fighter

PART 1

This is a great memoir account from Cierniste drogi żołnierzy AK given to me by my good friend Mr. Zbigniew Zielinski former Secretary of State for veteran affairs in the Polish government and now an author:

Kazimierz Tkacz : A Polish resistance fighter who defends himself by shooting at the NKVD with a gun in each hand like a cowboy in a Western movie!

This is a real road of thorns story. Kazimierz Tkacz avoided capture at the hands of the Germans, the Soviets and the UB.

He was born in 1915 in Radomsko and came from a worker-peasant family with a tradition of freedom-fighters. His father served as a volunteer in 1920 during the war against the Bolsheviks. Brought up a patriot with a love for the army, the young Kazio joined the boy scouts, then the Rifleman organisation and the paramilitary Army Cadet Corps and PT Corps. He did his compulsory military service, completed NCO training school and, as a regular, was posted to the Frontier Defence Corps (KOP). He served on the southern Ukrainian sector of the frontier with the Soviet Union in Czortków, where initially the regimental commander was Lieutenant Colonel Stefan Rowecki psc.

When Sergeant Kazimierz Tkacz came home to his native Radomsko for a short leave in the second half of August 1939, his mother, who was concerned at the threat of war with Germany, gave him when he left a picture of Our Lady of Częstochowa saying: “Always keep this picture with you.” and she blessed him with a sign of the cross.

On his return to barracks in Czortków, Sergeant Tkacz learned that the KOP battalion in which he was serving was to be transferred from the eastern frontier to the frontier with Czechoslovakia in the area of Zwardoń and Istebna in order to reinforce the frontier guards there. This was a time of mobilisation and military preparation owing to continual German provocations.

The new area was somewhat similar to the eastern frontier, it was covered in spruce trees and was equally mountainous. The battalion was stationed somewhat behind the frontier which was guarded by the Border Patrol. The KOP was well equipped with automatic and armour-piercing weapons, additionally they had several all-terrain vehicles and horses for reconnaissance.

The night of the 31st of August/ 1st of September was peaceful and bright, with a full moon. There was complete silence, and only in the distance the sound of rutting deer and the occasional dog barking on the farms of the local highlanders could be heard. One could say that this was the proverbial calm before the storm.

So it was. At about 6.00 am it was announced on the radio that the little town of Wieluń between Częstochowa and £ódź had been bombed and that a German ship, the battleship Schleswig-Holstein, lying off the port of Gdańsk, had begun a furious bombardment of the Polish Hel peninsula. It was war. The KOP battalion was put on full alert.

The sound of aircraft engines could be heard coming from the west, but the aircraft themselves could not be seen in the blue sky. The platoon commanded by Sergeant Tkacz dug in on a hill overlooking the road from the frontier post at Zwardoń. At around 7.00 he gets a call from the Border Patrol that a column of armoured vehicles and a group of motorcyclists have crossed the national frontier and an exchange of single shots is about to take place. The KOP men can see the indicated column moving along the road. Sergeant Tkacz passes the order along the improvised line: “Look out, the enemy is in our sights.” When the column was about 150 metres away, the order “Fire” was given. The anti-tank gun fired and hit the leading armoured vehicle, blocking the road. Kazimierz Tkacz is next to a machine-gun. The battalion CO passes the order down the line: “Open machine-gun fire.” They have the motorcyclists following the armoured column in their sights. A quick squeeze on the trigger and a burst of rounds hits the motorcyclists. There is confusion in the German ranks and there are dead and wounded. Tkacz turns his weapon on the next group and the scene is repeated. But this did not last long. A German mortar battery opens up from over the hill and rounds hit the KOP positions. There are some initial dead and wounded, amongst whom is Sergeant Kazimierz Tkacz. A grenade splinter hits him in the leg. At first, the wounded man is unaware that he has been hit, but after a moment he notices a tear in his trousers with blood seeping through. A medic was close by and bandaged the wound. There was a splinter about 2 cms long stuck in the calf muscle and so the wound was several centimetres long. Tkacz hobbles up to the CO. He says: “I’ve been hit and it’s the first day of the war, but I want to go on.” The battalion commander receives an order from Cracow Army HQ to withdraw to the north and take up positions on the outskirts of Cracow.

The wounded Kazimierz Tkacz refused to be taken to the field hospital in Cracow. He rides on a supply wagon. The KOP battalion receives a further order to withdraw in the direction of Rzeszów and then to the area of Tomaszów Lubelski. It was already the 16th day of the war. Cracow Army was in a very bad strategic situation. On one side were the attacking German panzers, and on the other the threat from the east, the proverbial ‘knife in the back’, when Cracow Army and other units of the Polish Army were trying to regroup and launch a counter-attack before the Bug and the San as well as open up an evacuation route to Romania through Zaleszczyki.

Despite the critical situation, the men’s spirits were excellent. They counted on France and Great Britain eventually reacting and opening a front along the Maginot and Siegfried lines with the allied air forces bombing important German strategic points. Therefore, they had to stay at their posts. Kazimierz Tkacz jumps down from the wagon and runs over limping to a machine-gun post. The gunner is squeezing burst after burst into the advancing German infantry. Suddenly he is hit and falls over dead. Sergeant Tkacz pushes the dead man aside and himself pumps bullets in the direction of the enemy. He sees them fall convulsively one after another. Suddenly he is hit twice again. A round from a German field gun hits the machine gun and tears off three of the gunner’s fingers. A moment later a dive bomber drops a bomb and ‘Karol’, hit in the head by splinters, and losses consciousness.

This is how he recalls this incident:

All I can remember is that a medic ran over to me and grabbed me by my arm, which fell limp and that I could not say anything. He called out to the doctor: “He’s dead.” Then my screen went blank and I do not know what happened to me after that.

The next day, or the maybe it was the day after, I suddenly regained consciousness and saw a white canvas ceiling. I slowly look around me and see some figures in white gowns speaking German. A moment later I feel German doctors changing my dressings on several wounds, which they are sewing up. A nurse is putting a new dressing to my lips and I feel giddy. I do not know how many times I regained consciousness. When I came round a after a few days a German doctor said: “Die wunden werden heilen und Du wirst leben (The wounds will heal and you’ll live).” They brought a little bag and hung it next to the bed. These were the documents taken from my pocket. The picture of Our Lady of Częstochowa, which my mother had given me before the outbreak of war when I was saying goodbye in Radomsko, was also there. That’s a good sign, I thought. After a few days I could get up and move around on crutches. I had bandages on my leg, my head, my stomach and my arm. If I could have seen myself in a mirror, I would not have believed it was me. Fortunately, there was no mirror.

…One day an officer came to the field hospital and spoke in German, with an interpreter repeating in Polish: “Wounded German soldiers are being evacuated to a hospital in Cracow, but wounded Polish soldiers will come under the care of the Soviets who are occupying this area in accordance with border agreements. German forces are withdrawing to their zone.” A terrible fear gripped me - they did not know much medicine and even worse they might kill me, for rumours were flying that in Lwów they had murdered officers and innocent civilians who had not greeted them. There were several wounded Polish soldiers amongst the many Germans in the field hospital. As the Germans were packing their gear, we waited to see what would happen. Several Soviets arrived behaving boisterously. Some of them seemed to be tipsy. This was also the first time that we had seen the red star on caps. When the Germans were leaving the field hospital, one of them came back for something together with a nurse. I beckoned them over and got them to understand, using gestures and a few words of German, that I wanted to get away from the Soviets. The German said nothing and did not react. The German nurse, however, took me by the arm and led me out of the tent pushing aside the Soviet officers standing there. She said something to them in German. I am convinced that they did not understand, but at the time they had respect for their allies. When she put me into a vehicle with a red cross, she got me to understand that she too was a Catholic and that communists did not believe in God. Then I was put onto a train with wounded Germans. When the train started to move, I thought anything to bring me closer to my Radomsko.

To be continued...............
sjam   
17 Jan 2009
History / Polish soldier stories [50]

Kazimierz Tkacz : A Polish resistance fighter

PART 2


Kazimierz Tkacz found himself in a hospital in Cracow where the staff was Polish and German. He thought to himself that this was a good situation, although the hospital was guarded by German sentries and the wounded Polish soldiers were still treated as prisoners of war. However, he began to think that when he had improved a bit and could move around on his own, he might manage to escape. This is how he recalls it:

The doctors and nurses in the hospital were mixed – Germans and Poles. Amongst the Polish nurses were some nuns, I no longer remember from which order. It was then that I thought that only they could help me escape. One day a number of doctors arrived and examined me, then I was brought a form filled out in German. I still have it. It contained a description of my wounds and a statement by a board that I had lost 75% of my health, in other words I was a war invalid. On the one hand, I was glad, on the other I kept wondering how to get away. One day when I was alone for a moment with a nursing sister I told her that I wanted to escape from this hospital, and could she help me by bringing some civilian clothes. I would change and walk out lost in the crowd of civilian hospital employees. So it came to pass. This nun also put a little money in my pocket. I immediately went to the railway station and took a train to Kielce. There I changed for Częstochowa, from where it was but a short distance to my native Radomsko. When I got home, my family at first burst into tears at my dreadful appearance and then started hugging and kissing me. I told my mother: “Mummy, I’ve had that religious picture with me all the time and I’ve still got it.” I took it out of my pocket and showed it to her.

He stayed at home for a dozen or so days telling his family and friends about his path of thorns from the very first days of the war. One could certainly say that he had survived by a miracle. But what would have happened, had he remained in the Soviet zone of occupation? The local doctor in the county hospital looked at his fortunately healing scars. He prescribed some medicines, peace and good food. Many acquaintances visited Kazimierz at this time, including some of his school friends Stanisław Janiszewski and Witold Piwoński. It was they who told him that a secret armed organisation called the Union for Armed Struggle (ZWZ) had been formed in Radomsko. Tkacz was so interested in this that he decided to make immediate contact. This was not difficult, since the ZWZ organisers in the area were also friends of his: Marian Nitecki (a pre-war officer in the 1st Regiment of Light Horse), Stanisław Sojczyński (before the war a teacher in the village of Rzejowice and then just before the war a school head in Bór Zajaciński near Częstochowa and a reserve officer in the 27th Infantry Regiment in Częstochowa.

They had a meeting in mid-1940. He was sworn in by Lieutenant Marian Nitecki ‘Pikador’ ] and Lieutenant Stanisław Sojczyński ‘Zbigniew’ (later ‘Warszyc’). Kazimierz Tkacz took the nom de guerre ‘Hardy’ (later ‘Karol’). Although he wanted to be active, he was told to let his wounds from September 1940 heal. At the beginning of 1941, Kazimierz Tkacz started recruiting proven people to the organisation. Weapons were stored and secured, and young people who had not yet ‘smelled gunpowder’ were trained. A sector, the equivalent of a county, was formed in Radomsko, with sub-sectors the equivalents of local districts, and outposts in the largest villages or forester’s lodges. The first underground organisation was formed: radio monitoring.

Meanwhile Nazi terror was growing and there were numerous arrests and even public executions. ‘Hardy’s’ hands were itching to avenge this human and material damage with a pistol. In 1942 he uncovers some agents, in other words Gestapo and field police informers. There was not long to wait before the sentences on these traitors were carried out. Various acts of sabotage were also organised. In 1943, in revenge for arrests and executions, an ambush was set up for the head of the German field police in Pławno, the infamous persecutor of Poles Schwarzmajer. The sentence was carried out on the main road between Radomsko and Pławno. ‘Hardy’ and some of his friends took part in this operation. In the attack on the head of the Gestapo Willy Berger and his deputy Johan Wagner the sentence was carried out by Second Lieutenant ‘Robotnik’ (Bronisław Skoczyński) and Officer Cadet ‘Staw’ (Zygmunt Czerwiński). Kazimierz Tkacz, that is ‘Hardy’, covered the operation and organised the withdrawal after the sentence had been carried out.

When in August 1943, on the basis of a tip-off, the Germans carried out a round-up in the village of Rzejowice, called by them Banditendorff and burned some homesteads and arrested several dozen peasants and Home Army members, the Kedyw commander ‘Zbigniew’ (Stanisław Sojczyński) immediately decided to rescue the prisoners. Therefore, he rounded up 105 partisans and 50 wagons to carry the partisans and the rescued prisoners. He split the partisans into 5 groups, of which 4 were to cover the German barracks and posts, while one was to make the direct attack on the prison. Second Lieutenant ‘Robotnik’ (Bronisław Skoczyński) commanded the assault team, while his 2 i/c, Officer Cadet ‘Hardy’, was entrusted with leading the team through the streets of Radomsko and the actual assault on the prison. ‘Hardy’ daringly overcomes every obstacle and, after they have blown up the gates, the partisans are inside. They then overpower the prison guards, open specific cells and release the prisoners. The Germans raise the alarm, but the covering detachments pin them down with machine-gun bursts. The prisoners are loaded onto the wagons and there follows an evacuation which is covered by ‘Hardy’. Altogether 56 prisoners were freed, including 46 Home army men and 11 Jews. The partisans suffered no casualties. A few days later the BBC in London carried a report on this daring large-scale operation. For the operation the commander, Lieutenant ‘Zbigniew’ (Stanisław Sojczyński), received the Virtuti Militari, while Second Lieutenants ‘Robotnik’ and ‘Postrach’ and Office Cadet ‘Hardy’ received the Cross of Valour.

In mid-1944 a re-organisation of the Home Army structure takes place. Two Home Army regiments, the 27th and the 74th, are formed in the Radomsko, Częstochowa and Włoszczowa sectors. Each had two battalions and each battalion had between 2 and 4 companies and so on. Kazimierz Tkacz, after completing Home Army officer training school, is promoted Second Lieutenant and becomes a platoon 2 i/c in the 74th Regiment. He takes part in a great many operations in the above-mentioned sectors.

When the march to relieve fighting Warsaw was ordered, the doctors checked the soldiers’ physical endurance ahead of such a long march of over 200 kilometres. Kazimierz Tkacz failed because he was not fully fit from his 1939 wounds. Despair followed; he could not imagine this march taking place without him, particularly after he had heard on the radio that the Germans had been murdering not only insurgents, but the civilian population. Eventually, after an intervention by Second Lieutenant ‘Robotnik’, Kazimierz Tkacz is allowed to take part in this difficult and dangerous march. When they reached the Kielce ‘Jodła’ Corps’ assembly-point in the area of Przysucha on the 26th of August 1944, they learned that the relief march had been called off by district HQ, for the Rising was dying down. Kazimierz Tkacz ‘Karol’ took this badly. He decided to avenge the damage inflicted on the inhabitants of Warsaw and take an active part in so-called Operation ‘Tempest’ in his own area.

He took part in a number of operations, including blowing up German trains on the Warsaw-Częstochowa and Częstochowa-Kielce lines. The high point of his struggle with the Occupier was the five-day battle in the Włoszczowa forests between the 25th and the 30th of October 1944 where the ‘Las’ battalion, supported by ‘Wojna’ battalion, including a company from the Peasant Battalions, forming the 74th Home Army Regiment moved from the defence to counter-attack causing the Germans considerable losses of men and materiel. Amongst other things, they took 99 prisoners, three wagons of arms and ammunition and an 81 mm mortar. Second Lieutenant ‘Karol’ received a bar to his Cross of Valour for his conduct in this action.

The winter of 1944/45 was approaching and many of the detachments were stood down for the duration of it. There remained a so-called skeleton detachment, which in the spring was to reconstitute the previous armed underground formations. Second Lieutenant ‘Karol’ (Kazimierz Tkacz) continued to be active and on the 3rd of January was present at the meeting with General ‘Niedźwiadek’ (Leopold Okulicki) the Home Army Commander-in-Chief which took place in the Zacisze forester’s lodge near Radomsko. Then, on the recommendation of the CO of the ‘Jodła’ District, Colonel ‘Mieczysław’ (Jan Zientarski), the general gave him his commission. He also decorated Kazimierz Tkacz and several other officers with the Virtuti Militari.

When the Soviets arrived in the area and Lieutenant ‘Robotnik’ and his 2 i/c were unaware of the Home Army Commander-in-Chief’s order disbanding the Home Army, they came across a retreating German unit in the forest. A firefight began and Lieutenant ‘Robotnik’ came within an inch of being killed, but beside him he had his reliable friend and first-rate riflemen Second Lieutenant ‘Karol’, who decimated the Germans with his automatic pistol.

The time came to come out into the open, for there was a threat of arrest by the NKVD and the UB. Despite being urged by ‘Robotnik’ to come into the open, ‘Karol’ decided to fight on, making contact with Lieutenant ‘Warszyc’ (Stanisław Sojczyński) who was forming a new armed partisan organisation called the Underground Polish Army (KWP).

It was at this time that ‘Karol’ learned of his mother’s death. He decided that he had to bid her farewell. His friends warned him not to do so assuming that the NKVD and the UB would take this opportunity to ambush him. To this ‘Karol’ said: “I must see my dead mother, even if it means my death.”

He loaded two Colt 12 pistols and headed home. He went inside and knelt down by his deceased mother, said a prayer and placed the picture of Our Lady of Częstochowa in her hands, then he kissed her forehead and left the house. There he saw men from the NKVD and the UB standing with weapons pointed at him. At the shout of “Hands up” in Russian ‘Karol’ slowly began to raise his hands. Then they lowered their barrels, confident that that they had in their hands a ‘bandit – a dwarf of reactionary filth’. In a fraction of a second, ‘Karol’s’ hands are inching inside his jacket. He shoots at them a gun in each hand, like a cowboy. The surprised attackers raise their weapons, but ‘Karol’ makes a lightning dart to the side behind one fence, then another. They shoot at him, but miss.

Recalling this incident, Kazimierz Tkacz says: “This symbol of our faith, the picture of Our Lady of Częstochowa, must have saved my life again. I resolved to continue hiding in the forests, for there was nothing else I could do. Once with my boys from the forests I ambushed a train with Soviets who were transporting requisitioned cattle from Germany. We stopped the train with bursts of automatic weapons fire. The Soviet soldiers surrendered. We told them that ‘We are free Polish soldiers and that we will not shoot at men surrendering, but we shall hold you until all the cows have been unloaded.’ We immediately informed all the neighbouring villages so that the peasants could take the cows. Some of the cows were not claimed and for some time wandered around the forest like deer, but were later caught by the peasants.”

Kazimierz Tkacz continued to be active, taking part in actions against the NKVD and the UB. He even wanted to mount a raid by a larger KWP detachment to rescue from prison in £ódź Captain ‘Warszyc’, who had been treacherously arrested in Częstochowa, but his friends, especially Lieutenant ‘Robotnik’, restrained him, for there would have bloodshed and loss of life, and it was unclear whether they could rescue ‘Warszyc’.

‘Karol’ continued to stay in hiding. He did not respond to announced successive amnesties to give himself up. He survived until the so-called ‘thaw’ and then came into the open. A UB officer told him: “You were lucky, for we made sweeps for you several times, but you always managed to get away.”

When, many years later, Kazimierz Tkacz applied for a war disability pension, the board turned him down. At that time former Home Army men were not normally granted disability rights. Eventually after further attempts, a board as a favour recognised a 30% loss of health. At that Kazimierz Tkacz produced the document from the German Military Medical Board of 1939 declaring a 75% loss of health, thus shaming his ‘fellow countrymen’ on the biased board, which at that time was awarding disability pensions to others for no real reason.

Starting in 1990 Kazimierz Tkacz nearly always took part in veterans’ events commemorating the battles of Home Army soldiers. He usually served as an altar boy or read the lesson in army uniform. He has been depicted in many books on the history of Home Army operations in that area. After successive promotions, he reached the rank of colonel in the Polish Army. He was also president of the Radomsko branch of the World Association of Home Army Soldiers working actively to erect monuments and memorial plaques and providing assistance for the poorest and sick comrades. He was well liked and valued not only in his circle. His last public appearance was the presentation of the 27th Home Army Regiment’s colours to the Knights’ Hall at Jasna Góra. This is what he said just before his own ‘final parade: “I tried to be faithful to my God and Country. God now is summoning me and maybe he will forgive me for my mistakes.”

I hope you found it worth the reading?
sjam   
18 Jan 2009
History / Polish soldier stories [50]

Wow that is one of the best things i have ever read in my life time.

Have you read the truly remarkable story of Captain Witold Pilecki?

That man was a true hero,Are you related to him or something?

Kazimierz Tkacz was just one of many such heroes. In late 1944 alone more than 40,000 such heroes were deported to Soviet slave labour camps by NKVD following the liberation of Poland by Red Army...their only crime was to be fighting for a free Poland.

I am not related to him.
sjam   
18 Jan 2009
History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]

The term "holocaust", however refers specifically to what they did to the jews,

That is not my interpretation and I do not accept it. But that is my personal opinion and nothing more.

I think the reason the non jewish victims of the nazis were not as well known is because the communists turned the history of this era into "the struggle against fascism". This blurred the identity of the victims.

I agree but I believe this 'blurring' of the holocuast (by my definition) is also perpetuated today by Jews to the exclusion of other victim groups.

One cannot of course argue against the fact that the Nazi German policy of racial annihilation of the European Jews not the same as the racial policies against the Poles which was to be one of slavery rather than extermination. My grandmother, from Warszawa, was prisoner no. 5953 at KZ Ravensbruck in April 1941, then was transported to KZ Sachsenhausen and after some time to Außenlager Genthin in October 1944 (as recorded in USHMM) where mainly Polish women were worked to death at the rate of 900 a month. But if my grandmother was not a victim of the holocuast then what was she a victim of?

But if I can also demonstrate in a small way how distorted a view of the Holocaust I think the world has. And I do write it to not stir up animosity but ask for you thoughts?

The late Dr Józef Garliński, Polish author and historian, was in US and at a meeting mentioned that he was a former prisoner of Auschwitz. One of his audience guests said ' Oh I didn't realise you were Jewish?'

Showing the tatooed number on his forearm, Dr Józef Garliński replied he was not a Jew and they couldn't believe that non-Jews were ever in Auschwitz! I believe this misperception is still true for many Jews today, I have personally come across this several times. One only has to read about 'Polish Death Camps' in national papers in USA and here in UK.

Garliński also wrote a best selling book 'Fighting Auschwitz' which was the story of Captain Pilecki who volunteered to go into Auschwitz so he could report back to the Polish underground on conditions in the camp. He set-up a restistance movement in the camp, helped prisoners escape, built a radio in the Auschwitz hospital block from smuggled in parts. Smuggled reports about the extermination of Jewish transports to the Polish underground which were then sent to London. Pilecki himself also escaped from Auschwitz in 1943 when the allies refused to support his plan for the allied bombing of the camp to facilitate a mass break out of prisoners which he had planned with support of local AK units outside the camp. My point about telling this story is that Garliński was a approached by major US film company to discuss a possible film deal but there had to one proviso that Pilecki was to be portrayed as a Jewish character which he was not. Garliński politely declined.
sjam   
18 Jan 2009
History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]

~januszbrus/allegro/36flis_zyd1.jpg

Not sure what he relevance of posting this picture is? Unless to promote some stereotypical image for an anti-semitic agenda?

Poles did very little,

Not quite true ..... up until 2001 almost 1,200 books (mainly Polish language) were published just about the Warsaw Rising 1944 alone....... but sadly there is no money for a film about elite battalion AK 'Parasol' (Umbrella) and its hard fought battle for the Cherniakow bridgehead.
sjam   
18 Jan 2009
History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]

Many people here believe that having this kind of stuff brings good luck in finances.

Really? In my opinion this just plays into the hands of the many that believe another archetypeal stereotype— that all Poles are anit-Semitic. Which like most stereotypes is not true.
sjam   
18 Jan 2009
History / Polish soldier stories [50]

Yeah the Russians to hide this made up lies saying that we killed Jews etc.

It was not all lies. Some factions mainly from NSZ did execute Jews but not because they were Jews but because they were communists or thought to have collaborated with NKVD against Polish independence movements. The NSZ were ruthless against anyone that supported the Soviet regime in Poland—Poles, Jews it did not matter if they were thought to have communist sympathies they were dealt with often harshly. This is what the Soviets were not telling. The NSZ were often against the authority of A.K who they saw as being willing to mediate with the Russians.
sjam   
19 Jan 2009
History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]

lebensraum. That was the plan. The plan was to kill everyone in Poland

Not so. I think even you will accept that Lebensraum was actually the overarching title for the Nazi German policy of colonisation of new (conquered) territories in the east (Poland but more specifically the USSR) and by colonisation Lebensraum meant the establishment of peasant farms by the German occupiers. It has nothing at all to do with extermination the Poles per se. Poles, Slavs and Russians —the untermenschen—were to be the slave workforce of the Germans just as Africans were to the old colonial empires of Europe. The several millions of Polish forced workers deported to the Reich during the war would support view this also, as is the fact that Poles were not exterminated in death camps en masse as a matter of policy. One could argue that extermination through work was a similar policy as extermination by gassing or shooting as they had the same end result but this was more to do with the gaining the absolute maximum productive activity from a human with the least cost to support that worker. A simple cost versus benefit accounting exercise in Nazi thinking.

Every people has a stereotype. They didn't get those because they are the exact opposite or not true..

I disagree. Sterotypes and prejudices derive from the ways in which perceived cultural differences are socially constructed in an exaggerated and simplistic form with the aim of exclusion and ridicule.....a self defence mechansim for those with inferiority complex whether as individuals or as a nation.

Who was it that said something along the lines if you tell a lie often enough it becomes a truth?
That is how stereotypes work!
sjam   
19 Jan 2009
History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]

That might be true in today's globalized internet world that someone might be successfull with a slandering or PR campaign but the stereotypes we speak about developed over centuries...

As well you must be aware the image you linked too is merely a modern interpretation of a stereotype image of a "money grabbing hook nosed Jew" that has been used in anti-semitic propaganda going back over centuries even by the Catholic church. It is not a modern phenomenon as you make out. This stereotype image of "a typical Jew" was at the centre Nazi propaganda well before the internet.

I think if you were honest you would acknowledge that the reason you chose to use this type of image to link too was not as illustration for some kind of a good luck charm for financial success as you imply but to promote a facile anti-semitic message. That is where I see the truth of it—period. We can agree to disagree.
sjam   
19 Jan 2009
History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]

I didn't post an image!

Profound apologies for this error my comments should be directed at Grzegorz_: mm.pl/~januszbrus/allegro/36flis_zyd1.jpg and I unreservedly retract them as pointing to yourself.
sjam   
19 Jan 2009
News / Poland's Future Includes Fewer Poles, More Foreigners [324]

Look at America, its going down because of all the immigrants, so if Poland needs to do something is to stop that same problem before it starts.

Surely apart from the original native Americans; America has only ever been a nation of succesive immigrants?