History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Southern, could you please tell me what wrong are freaky Russians doing trying to control their natural resourses? Why do western countries, mainly the U.S. and Britain, have developed a habit of thinking that commanding and prejudiced tone is appropriate with nations to access their possessions or to meddle in their internal affairs? Yes, Russia is not a democracy. Not yet. That'll take some time in a big country as Russia especially to change the mentality. But it will never go to its previous Stalinist state. That's for sure. And why don't you give Russia a break? So far, none of you has shown good intentions towards Russia. Some of you have said:"What good has Russia done to the world?". Well, I am not going to answer that, but let me pose the same question with the subject and the object reversed. Since the dawn of its existence, more than a thousand years now, who hasn't tried to invade Russia, subdue its people, and claim its land? You name it! Ever since we are forced to live a militarized life, always on the lookout for the next invasion. Nowadays, it's the U.S. who wants a piece of us. As I said, we haven't seen any good intentions from you, "benefactors". Could anyone tell me, why even after the demise of the Soviet Union in the 1990 the U.S. kept evading ratification of some key treaties unilaterally, spending ever-increasing amounts of bucks on the military development, deployment of forces here and there, advancing NATO eastward, closer to Russian borders, recently culminating that with a defense shield project? Who is cheating now?

As for Poles, nobody said that Russia has problems with Poland being part of the E.C., developing good trade relationships, or simply being friends with U.S. or any country else. And that's propostrous to say that Russia envies or is jealous of Poland because of that. As a matter of fact, Russia couldn't care less for that. I can assert with ease that we Russians have never wanted to be like Poles or be in their shoes when it comes to playing political roles. But when a country, be it Zimbabwe, Poland, Vatican, or otherwise shows clear signs of hostility such as the missile shield issue which is obviously directed against us, then yes, we have a very big problem with that, and we are going to react accordingly. That's natural; you cannot blame us for that. Now, I am stating this in simplest terms. Any questions?

So much said and even more unsaid.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

First, we are not asking from anyone to deal with us.

Second, I am not trying to dispose of Russian guilt towards Poland. Yes, in the general context of history Russia has commited crimes and should apologize for them. I can understand your saying that most of the times Russia has been on the offensive, because it is true, only from your perspective: Russia has taken part in most of the partitionings of Poland. I must admit Russia has gone off the far end with Poles, that shouldn't have happened. But after what? Who was aggressive enough to start up a fight first? Take a guess. Or was it that poor, peacefull Poles aimlessly wandering in the woods in 1600s, got lost in the process, all of a sudden found themselves near the walls of old Moscow, asked the Russians for directions back to Poland, but the stupid Russians refused to cooperate, so ended up being slaughtered and their homes robbed and burned down? Huh? Or is it not mentioned in your history books? We know you people. We know your "Wojska Polska" very well. Was it Pan Kazimir in the lead? Poles had slaughtered enough of us to designate them as occupants and enemies that should be treated as such ever since. Too bad, we ignorant, uncivilized peasants/barbarians didn't understand your noble ideas of building an expanded Poland from sea to sea from north to south and extending to the far reaches of Siberia in the east, practically the whole of Russia. Of course, the tsar has been to be replaced with his Polish counterpart, the Pan or whatever. Now we would be so gullible as not to call this an attempt to occupy Russia, provided you haven't lost the battle and were driven off? Or such Polish ambitious plans are not in your books? You just can't forgive yourselves that failure, for it all was so feasible, and nowadays Russia, as we know it, would have been Poland as we will not know it, because it will never going to happen, Matthias, not even with the U.S. on your side, not even in your wildest dreams. All what is left for Poland to do, is to take revenge through helping others to render Russia weak and helpless. Well, if that has become the purpose of your existence, then good luck with that. You may succeed to some extent but will ultimately fail. Take your sweet revenge while you can, because, contrary to your belief, Russia, be it not in near future, WILL BE A SUPERPOWER whether you or your masters like it or not. Not such impediments that we've overcome. Seen worse days. So thanks for your luck.

Third, if you look at Russian history more closely, you will find out that most of the time Russians were defending their own homeland from invasions posed by (not in chronological order) the Germans (the German tribes or whatever they were called), the Polish intervention, the Tatars and Mongols, the Swedes, the Turks, the British incursion, the French, the Germans again, the Japanese, and the Chinese. Did I leave someone out? And now the Americans are drooling over us. Ain't gonna happen.

Fourth, I think I can sleep well now and have sweet dreams, for I am sure to know that NATO/U.S. is trustworthy and will never attack first like it didn't threaten througout the Cold War period to attack us, like it didn't attack first Korea, Vietnam, Iraq in the First Gulf War, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq for the alleged weapons of mass destruction, and now possibly Iran? How could I think that NATO/US could not be trusted? Whatever is wrong with me? Thank you, that was insightful. Now I know. NATO=Defense!

Last, I do not think that the U.S. will install the missiles and just smile at them. They are trying their best for these missiles to serve their intented purpose, and this is only the first step to their defense shield. They will install other components in other places if haven't already done so. It is obvious, they are preparing for a possible war with Russia. Nuclear deterrance, ever heard of it? Once they are certain that their shield is capable of shooting down all and that nothing escapes, they'll strike. Maybe not now, maybe after 20, 50, 100 years, but this will happen if we don't wake up and do something about it.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Yes, a long queue of freeloaders, so that I totally forgot about the Czechs. Spasibo 4to napomnili, paczka. A pro Litovtsev, pr9mo taki i ne znal, ili beznadejno zabyl.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Thousands of years??!! lol.


I and more than half of this globe know a very particular nation who always wants more, who can never get enough, and this being so, there is something abnormal about that.


A typical way of fueling hostility among nations to realize one's own goals and interests. Way to go!

What should Russia do to show that it is not seeking confrontation or occupation and yet is capable of defending itself?

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

That is atrocious, monstrous, despicable, shameful, and deeply regretful. I can not take any pride in that. Not that I can see or know about. Nonetheless, I mentioned that Russia's guilt towards Poland is evident, to an extent for the suppresions that took place with the partitions of Poland in 1772, 1793, 1795, and 1832, and to a greatly larger extent for the Katyn' in 1939-1940. Russia must apologize for that atrocity – officially.

News / Will Poland stick to plans for "Anti missile shield" under new threats? [62]


Because if they didn't do, they would be lying in similar graves.

News / Will Poland stick to plans for "Anti missile shield" under new threats? [62]


No, it doesn't.


An analogue excuse.