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Bratwurst Boy   
14 Dec 2008
News / All this mess about Danzig... [122]

"The Polish Post Office (Poczta Polska) in the Free City of Danzig was created in 1919 under the Treaty of Versailles,

...no comment necessary!

That's probably the reason I've never heard our German friends making any claims to Kaliningradskaya Oblast' lol.
Just joking - it's a typical German hypocrysy if you know what I mean.

Well, Poles made it hard for Germans to reach Königsberg already BEFORE WWII (not even a railway was allowed), so they won't even try now..
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Dec 2008
News / All this mess about Danzig... [122]

A suggestion of a new moderator? :):):)

Wellski...meski notski speakingski anyski polski....so notski I fearski...:(
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

It is always easier to nip a problem in the bud before it metastasizes.

Well...most Germans who supported Hitler felt he "nipped the problems". As nobody else wanted to help them...

Imagine a referendum for all Germans...on one side stands Hitler promising to right things again, on the other side you, Babinich, telling them....what?
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Dec 2008
News / All this mess about Danzig... [122]

You infer that BB's by nature NOT so gentle, therefore little is needed to set him off, eh?

Okay guys and gals....I'm running out of smilies...back to the topic!
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

In 1935, Hitler violated the Treaty of Versailles by introducing compulsory military service. In the same year, the UK signed the Anglo-German Naval Agreement. In 1936, Hitler reoccupied the demilitarized zone in the Rhineland.

In 1938 there was the little matter of the Anschluss in Austria and the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia.

Point here is that many people didn't wanted to go to war for something they believed the Germans had a right to do it.

- Hitler didn't "re-occupy" the Rhineland, he freed it from the foreign occupation forces. There was a big, happy party in the Rhineland as the Wehrmacht marched in.

- Likewise in Austria...watch the footage from the applauding masses, and as
- Czechoslovakia never came through with their promise to listen to the Sudeten but was opressing them so it came of no surprise that Sudeten were also happy as the Wehrmacht came....about the rest of the Czechs...well...

There was no big will to deny the Germans their rights of self-determination which was so crudely abused in the treaty of versailles which the majority be then heartily came to dislike too, hence the lack of action...

GB was a democracy and how should London explain it to John Average who sees happy, re-unified Germans that his sacrifice, a war, an invasion is need to keep them unhappy!

PS: A smarter man than Hitler would have taken what he got and be away with it but he was insatiable, a fanatic on a mission!
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Dec 2008
News / All this mess about Danzig... [122]

Interesting statement Würstel so I decided to extract it from Crow's Slavic delirium and started a new thread....

Well...maybe you shouldn't have as it was an answer to Crows drivel about getting back "holy" Kosovo which now mostly ist also to 98 percent Albo!

Curiously he never answered that...
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

How do you explain it? Fault lies with Das Deutsches there...

Well, they might have differed about what the Poles thought they "deserve" to have...
Hitler promised to make things right against...people believed him, nobody else gave a sh'it!

Actually come to think of Poland was the big winner in both World Wars... after the first one they got their state gifted to them plus german lands, after thes econd one their border moved further west inclusive even more german towns and lands...my you of all should be glad, shouldn't you but still you are moping all the time..
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

No, it’s the German mentality and humiliation that brought this on. Pride is a powerful force and frankly I don’t blame them for this as you seem to blame it all on that treaty, it’s just hogwash.

If it makes you feel better...
But neither GB nor anybody else owes Poland a thing, they did what they could to the best of their abilities. Without them Poland wouldn't be even existent...so stop that whining already!

But NOOOOO you couldn't do that, could you?????

Nope...we wanted Danzig back and all what rightfully belonged to us, sorry!
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

You don’t really believe that do you? It’s the German people who democratically elected him to the government and give him a status of a God

Without this treaty Hitler would have stayed a failed painter in Vienna, sorry if this fact rocks your boat to much!
Maybe Poles who profited so much from this treaty find it hard to gulp but that's what brought you and Czechoslovakia to birth was the reason for the slaughterhouse of WWII....now how does it make you feel??? Don't you owe Europe a thing or two???

What do you think will happen when Americans finally withdraw? Will they blindly follow every policy set by them, even if it’s their puppet government in place?

And? Maybe we have different explanations about what "conquered" means?
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

That’s exactly what Poland did not want to do, government bowing to the Germans.

They were never given the choice so spare me your holier-than-thou attitude!

We were overrun in 5 weeks not conquered there is a difference, modern day example would be Iraq; they were overrun but are they really conquered?

Well...I can't see any Hussein troops still holding out against the allied troops...can you?
If you think some trucks exploding on some marketplace as a sign for Iraq not being conquered then I can't help you!

Installing puppet government is not the same as collaboration; having few people in place protecting their own position (carriers if you will because they do not necessarily share your view of the world) and bowing to the masters is not the same as whole population blindly following some ideology. Could it happen? I’m sure it could have and as a matter of fact it did when the communists took over after the war.

And the same would have happened if the Nazis had treated Poland as...say...France - so much for the "specialty" of Poles, eh?

This is why Germany didn't deserve Gdańsk.

It wasn't a matter of deserving...The inhabitants of Danzig were to 98 percent german, it was a german town!

Do Poles "deserve" Warschau??? To the English "deserve" London? Do the USians "deserve" Washington or New York???
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

After WWI, who could blame Poland?????

What's with WWI???
Poland belonged to the big winner of the treaty of versailles, the same one who brought on Hitler and sowed the seeds for WWII.
For you this treaty might be a blessing for the rest of the world it was a catastrophe!...now what does that say about you?

Deutsches, schulden sie gehabt!!!

And your German sucks!
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

If Poland were not that big of a threat it wounldn't have taken two major country's from all sides to attack. Tell me what other country has ever faced the odds and held out fighting from the start until the end of the war?

Well, Poland wasn't seen as a big threat...I posted before what Germany wanted from Poland (no reaction from you about that) but Poland choose to be haughty and provocative/arrogant instead of trying for negotiations (the old we-are-the-better-soldiers/army/whatever-than-you-and-we-can't-wait-to-kick-your-ass-syndrome).

The Poles also didn't "held out" very well as Poland was conquered in 5 weeks.
They did what every other country which was occupied did too...they organized a resistance (there were free french for example too).
What do you think was so special about Poland???
I tell you what it was...the Nazis never gave Poland the same choice for self government they gave other countries, that was the difference...now what if that had been so?

I tell you what I think, Poland would have collaborated the same as did other countries, inclusive a polish government bowing to the Germans...don't fool yourself here Cel!
Bratwurst Boy   
9 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

No, but simple acknowledgement of these victories would suffice.
You do not even acknowledge that they had partial importance in European history...

Okay...I agree to have downplayed Poland...but it's a kneejerk reaction to so many posts of "we are the greatest, the bravest, the most loyal, the best fighters, we are the saviours of Europe, the sun shines out of our arses etcetcetc)...do you see us Germans behave that way?
Bratwurst Boy   
9 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Bratwurst, I don't see why you can't at least give Poland some due respect for these victories. (Legnica was more like a draw...)
I know it would be hard for a German to do such a thing...

Because when I give you the finger you want to take the whole hand!
When I say yes it was an important victory a Polonius (just one example) would make it to a singlehanded battle which saved the whole of Europe!

I will never forget how Poles are so readily ignore that the battle against the Turks at Vienna was a JOINT fight, without the allies, without the brave Viennese who suffered so long at the siege the Poles would have won nothing.

It's the same with Kopernikus - I wanted to share, acknowledge the symbiose between the Germans and the Poles but for some Poles (remember Lukasz) even that is to much asked for....he has to be a German-hating full blood Pole!

So sorry when people are more inclined to play you down!
Bratwurst Boy   
9 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I would bet a months wages that Polish children are more savvy in European history than average European.

I dunno...Poles still believe Kopernikus was a Pole! That they saved Europe countless times, that everybody is out to betray them and that the world owes them something.. :):):)
Bratwurst Boy   
9 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Were the US party to the Treaty of Versailles? If so, why didn't they do anything about it?

Actually Wilson pulled out after he thought it was agreed on his "14 points" (something the Germans agreed to too).
He thought the Treaty which later came to pass much to vindictive and plain stupid, not one to reconciliate and to ensure peace!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points

....Wilson was awarded 1919 Nobel Peace Prize in 1920 for his peace-making efforts. ...

The US are the least to blame here!

Haty seems just to be another polish big mouth with lots of demands, empty phrases and reproaches...but no viable alternatives!
Add to that a lacking of historical understanding and you have your typical mix...
Bratwurst Boy   
8 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I would like to ask BB what German's say about Polish being betrayed?

I told you so before....it would have been better for Poland to at least negotiate with Germany as the demands (Danzig, a corridor to East Prussia, giving back the territories which belonged to Germany before and had a german population of more than 75 percent) weren't unreasonable in my eyes.

But they preferred to hide behind promises, rejecting ANY talks (not even allowing a railway straight from Germany to East Prussia), where one look at a map should have told you alot about the futility...

Where they betrayed? If it makes you feel better thinking so...okay.
But most of it was just un-smart diplomacy and un-smart policy on the polish side!
Bratwurst Boy   
8 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Do you entirely miss the point??? WAS there a WAR called ONE????? Did the allies win it?????
Was it fought against Germany when it was the second reich???

What do you know about WWI???
Hint: it wasn't the "second Reich" and the Kaiser wasn't a "little Hitler"...
Bratwurst Boy   
6 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Like I said, mongrol nation.

Well...english and polish are Europeans, are they not?
I'm against the old borders between the european people too, to many wars
and hate...but you won't deny a white race, won't you?
Or maybe you want to do just that...but then you prefer to be a mongrel nation, so please excuse me if you are going alone down that path, no use discussing this!

PS: I didn't invent these ethnic groups you just saw in that list...it's official used by the US, blame them!

The English are a mixture of Normans, Vikings, Gallics, Celts, Romans, Anglo Saxons, Jews etc. etc.

Normans - Germanics
Vikings - Germanics
Anglo Saxons - Germanics
etc.etc.etc

You can not describe the features of a typical English person in the same way that you can describe the features of a typical Pole.

I always thought Rooney was somewhat a prime example for an english looking guy...:)
Bratwurst Boy   
6 Dec 2008
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

England is a mongrol nation (and proud).

Erm...okay....so you are black or mixed? I think the majority is still germanic in nature and I also think most would like to keep it that way!

Ethnic groups:

white (of which English 83.6%, Scottish 8.6%, Welsh 4.9%, Northern Irish 2.9%) 92.1%,

black 2%, Indian 1.8%, Pakistani 1.3%,

mixed 1.2%, other 1.6% (2001 census)

cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/uk.html

A mongrel nation looks different...:)

For Germany:

Ethnic groups:

German 91.5%,
Turkish 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Greek, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish)

For Poland:

Ethnic groups:

Polish 96.7%,
German 0.4%, Belarusian 0.1%, Ukrainian 0.1%, other and unspecified 2.7% (2002 census)

for Russia:

Ethnic groups:

Russian 79.8%,
Tatar 3.8%, Ukrainian 2%, Bashkir 1.2%, Chuvash 1.1%, other or unspecified 12.1% (2002 census)

...no mongrel nations either!