Posts by Bratwurst Boy

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Prussia made Bismarck,

Na ja...you simplify it so much it becomes wrong.

Monastic state of the Teutonic
Frederick William
Frederick III
Frederick William I
Frederick II
Frederick William II
Frederick William IV

Lots of stuff happened BEFORE Bismarck was even born and if that stuff hadn't happened he couldn't have used this powerfull Prussia to unify Germany.

And I won't even go into

Bismarck made WW1

as every good historian book will tell you that his forced leave from office by the new, inexperienced King was one of the many reasons which led to WW1.

A case could be made that with Bismarck there wouldn't had been a war...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck#Foreign_policies

Foreign policies

Bismarck devoted himself to keeping peace in Europe, so that the strength of the German Empire would not be threatened.
He was forced to contend with French revanchism - the desire to avenge the loss in the Franco-Prussian War. Bismarck adopted a policy of diplomatically isolating France, while maintaining cordial relations with other nations in Europe. In order to avoid aggravating the United Kingdom, he initially declined to seek a colonial empire or an expansion of the navy....

He was a cool guy and because of him Germany not only unified but experienced a golden age (Gründerzeit), so please throw away your blinkers!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCnderzeit

1875-1914

Prussia but its an idea that always will lead to destruction of Germany

Read the book

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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You already accused me of writing from a different accounts.
Now that I'm not Polish?
What next? Maybe I'm a Ossi (pish) too? ;-]

Well, you did!
And no...an Ossi wouldn't be as stupid as you are.
You are an embarassment for real Poles...and they told you already so!

Actually you grew so large because of masterful diplomacy,

Whoa...at least one crumb...I started to wonder...:)

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Nope,

Well...I find it hard to believe that the Teutonic Order and also Prussia grew so large and influential without winning some more wars as you (or this list) want to admit...:)

Anyhow, the next one won't be fought between us!

You make me question the IQ list of Europe.

I tell ya, this guy isn't polish!

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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And maybe they also won a war or two?

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Can we concentrate on the german-polish history please?

All of the Teutonic wars??? How came they played such a big role and build such a huge society in what is now Poland???
Sokrates, your balance sucks too..:)

Germany in its fractured state would be turned into a nice parking ground by all those armies if not for that sucky list,

???

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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You really want to me recount all of them?

Just point them out to me on this list as you used it to support your argument...I'm really curious.
I personally think this list sucks but when I'm wrong I can admit that..

I mean what is this for a calculation if you call a battle with some landlord in 900sumthing a war with Germany but won wars for Germany only count from 1875 onwards???

Who do you think partitioned you??? Prussia doesn't count as Germany but the Teutonic Order???
No wonder this balance is skewed!

Also you have to realise that a number of those have been big in their time, an army of 70-100k men was huge in 16 century, the Deluge is actually several wars in rapid succession.

But still it's either called "battle" or "war"....

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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if we count only huge wars than we're down to about 60,

60 huge wars??? And you won them all???

Okay...I'm skimming through this list again...this is what I would call as wars with Germans (even as the Teutonic Order is not Germany):

1409–1411, the Polish-Lithuanian-Teutonic War
1431–1435, Polish-Teutonic War (1431–1435)
1519–1521, Polish-Teutonic War (1519–1521)

1618–1648, Thirty Years' War
The Deluge

During the 18th century, European powers (most frequently consisting of Russia, Sweden, Prussia and Saxony) fought several wars for the control of the territories of the former Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

1806-1807 - Prussian Campaign Napoleon establish Duchy of Warsaw, Polish Army fought on the French side

WWII

?

That's what I found...come on...where are your 60 huge wars...

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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No, I meant the other ones....some obscure date where there wasn't even thought of a Germany..

But even following this...where do you get the 70 or 90 from???

On the other hand it puzzles me why you fear the Russians as your enemy so if Poles have such a great military history...neither Germany nor Russia could say the same.

Especially Russia seldom left it's own borders...it all seems very crazy to me I must admit and actually I have a hard time believing it...:)

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Well we tortured quite a few Slavs, we were famous for impaling Cossacks and captured Tartars.

Mean, mean Poles...:)

Oh in one of those we invaded Germany as a whole and it still lost:)

Oh I know about that but the rest of the list sucks...you have to admit that! :)

I mean...what is that?? Who fought? Who won???

# 1003–1005, against Germany
# 1007–1013, against Germany
# 1015–1018, against Germany

# 1109, against Germany
# 1146, against Germany
# 1156, against Germany

You are not counting that as won wars over Germany, don't you?

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Na ja...I wouldn't call Hitler an "invention"...

Could you please inform Crowie about this list the next time he bubbles again on and on about the poor tortured Slavs and their beastly neighbours, the monstrous Germans?

(Even if it always states "Germany" when it in truth was just some landlord and it not actually states who won)

Thank you:)

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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If we discard minor conflicts and WW1 as well as uprisings (both won and lost) you're still left with over 70 wars, notice how Germany wins only one or two.

Tja...who is the militaristic, agressive people here? Not the Germans, nor the Russians...

Turns a totally new light on Polands history and misfortunes...maybe it was a good idea to partition you between your neighbours?

Not the "eternal victim" after all, terrorized by big, bad neighbours??? Interesting...

But this...

972, against Germany, see battle of Cedynia

There was no Germany at that time...are you sure that list is correct???
You really mean Poland won 70 wars against Germany and Germany only 2???
THAT is an interesting view on the history between our peoples...I really wonder why we don't speak all polish already!

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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I hope they will take it easy, though it's their choice if the huns choose to go into hierarchial self-flagellation again let them go, the "Ossis" were used to it up to 1989, since at least Bismarck

Wait...aren't you the guy who loves communism and says Napoleon was a great "humanist"?

But then...you must be used to being wrong and laughed at...poor sod...

There's 8 wars we lost throught history, there's more than 90 we fought, our military achievement is quit a bit larger than yours:

History since when? 90 wars or 90 battles? (Not even the Germans or the Russians could boast 90 wars I think) Some links? :)

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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the very nature of the system requires military achievement

Well...and I thought you and Rafal were lamenting exactly that??? The lack of I mean..

Just imagine...Prussians against the Islamists!

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Did you actually read the article??? :)

The number of Prussianists is on the rise...
Poland needed some time too to get his state back, right?

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Sokrates....your blind hatred of Prussia makes you the wrong person to judge or explain anything German, sorry!

You should better start learning more about it that you can assess it's place in german history and what Germans think of it.

Just because YOU have on opinion doesn't make it the truth!

May I recommend a fair and obective book?
/Iron-Kingdom-Downfall-Prussia-1600-1947/

In the aftermath of World War II, Prussia--a centuries-old state pivotal to Europe's development--ceased to exist. In their eagerness to erase all traces of the Third Reich from the earth, the Allies believed that Prussia, the very embodiment of German militarism, had to be abolished.

What we find is a kingdom that existed nearly half a millennium ago as a patchwork of territorial fragments, with neither significant resources nor a coherent culture. With its capital in Berlin, Prussia grew from being a small, poor, disregarded medieval state into one of the most vigorous and powerful nations in Europe. Iron Kingdom traces Prussia's involvement in the continent's foundational religious and political conflagrations: from the devastations of the Thirty Years War through centuries of political machinations to the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire, from the enlightenment of Frederick the Great to the destructive conquests of Napoleon, and from the "iron and blood" policies of Bismarck to the creation of the German Empire in 1871, and all that implied for the tumultuous twentieth century.

The same time as you Sokrates state Germany has lost it's identity I say Germany would be the better for if we would bring back Prussia and adhere more to the prussian values.

Who knows what will happen...:)

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Guess its not so dismall at all.

The facts speak a dismal language Sokrates...you overestimate the role of the Poles whenever you can and you underestimate the Role of Germans.
You dismiss the number of Lithuanians at Grünberg...you are not objective.
Also are you prone to bring esoteric psychological reasoning into discussions...something you can't proof...
It's hard to discuss things seriously in this world of drama, romanticism and wannabe psychology...

...and losing historical identity you've created a creeping enemy that decays from inside, against whom discipline is useless.

See?

Such crap is useless for a discussion!
Some more rationality would get us much farther...

Heh:)

Sexy Prussia

goethe.de/ges/mol/thm/tde/en3182928.htm

All things Prussia becomes very interesting again for many Germans (including me)...
You could speak of a renaissance!

The prussian Iron Cross as symbol of the Bundewehr:

Nearly one Millennia is this cross now in that form or similiar in use...how is that for historic identity?

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Nothing to be proud about in my eyes.

Well...good handiwork is something to be proud of...and we always excelled in arms tech...it's some kind of german tradition...:)

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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The same Vienna where in two battles Poles break the back of the entire Turkish army,

You like to forget that the Poles alone wouldn't had achieved anything....it's down to the Viennese mainly and the alliance who whithstand the cruel siege for so long.

Or you could say in the same way also that Blücher and the Prussian won Waterloo alone since they came at the right time and were the dead shot what killed Nappi's ambitions in the end...

the pacification of Prussia

:):):)

The same Prussia what owned you for centuries later???

Also your beloved Battle of Grünwald was an alliance of Poles and the same number of Lithuanians...Poles alone against Germans have a dismal record!

(But you are good with alliances I give you that..)

...but I still like you! :)

But the point is your assessment that because Germany lost WWII now lost mysteriously their ability to fire a weapon 65 years later is unsubstantiable.
Germany was in her history in much dire circumstances...even your much beloved Prussia...and it came up to the top again every ******* time!
Much to the detriment of it's adversaries...who like to underestimate it...

While Germany has a militant streak deep down the "Prussian spirit" was an artificial construct which came and now went.

What isn't an artificial construct?
Poland only existed because of some demarcation at a drawing board.....

Nope, what you describe is are general civilizational and cultural traits aquired and shaped by Germans over the centuries, the militant philosophy of Prussia and by extention of the Reich was what made Prussian spirit and that part died for good, you have said yourself that Germans are content, what you fail to notice is the reasons behind said content.

Well...if you say so!

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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And wont be for generations to come, post WW2 trauma associated with killing more than 30 milion innocents coupled with overblown social system managed to kill off the prussian heritage for good

That is crap...the prussian heritage is very well alive.
Many values the Germans are famous for like hard working, prudence, thrift etc. are prussian values.

A lost war doesn't kill the spirit...or you Poles would have lost it long since.

But most sane people need a good reason to fight...and most Germans just don't see any!

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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We've been on opposite sides in quite a few and thus far you won one:)

Heh...Poles bailed out by a whole alliance after being marched over in only some weeks can hardly count as winning! :)

Not again the battle of Grünwald half a millennia back please...:)

German army is the most powerfull in Europe in terms of equipment, its training is sometimes lacking but is generally on high standard and while it may no longer be able to repeat the feats of WW2 its still the strongest martial force out there barring nukes

I see it that way:
Equipment isn't everything if it comes to war. France had a better army than Germany in WWII if you only take numbers and stats.

The spirit is most important!
Right now there is no fighting spirit in Germany (including me). We have all what we want, we feel save, are relatively wealthy, most of our wishes get internationally fulfilled...most lead a good, quiet life...energy questions or the current financial crisis notwithstanding.

So we might make still the best weaponry because we somehow have it in our blood, but would prefer someone else would use it. :)

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Another version of "In one week in Berlin"?

Poles shouldn't trust their measurements of foreign powers! And if that would be the only thing the war should have taught you...:):):)

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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French, German, British, Polish, Spanish etc... You would be amazed to what an energy crisis can push countries, together we ceirtanly have assets to secure ME resources

...I'm not hot on it...but better we pull together our EU-army soon!

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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most of which include our ability to occupy them and take their resources

Erm...you and what army?

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Russia is the single greatest threat to civilization and European order, i'd put Islam first but its still developing while Russia is a full blown problem.

I would definitely put Islam first...

I've read your posts, i stand by opinion that we should NOT strengthen our ties with Russia rather than heavily invest into alternative sources since Russias collapse or crisis is not a question of "if" but "when" with an answer "soon".

Becoming independent from the fossil resources is priority. But as I showed to you even Germany can only hope to get to 45 % by 2030 and we are a leading country in renewable energy, so most countries even won't be as far.

So we will be dependent on countries like Russia or the gulf countries for many years to come...there is nothing we can do about it soon.

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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This Rafal/Elbprinz is such an embarrassment for the Poles...can we be sure that he is a real one and not just a wind up troll?

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Cause he is not Ze German. He is an Ossi (every German from the west will tell you that).

Yeah...so is the chancellor Mrs. Merkel, read the press if you want to know what they think about her and her policies!!!

Ossi against Wessi choice:
javno.com/en-world/german-poll-gives-merkel-big-edge-over-steinmeier_239757

It's an Ossi-conspiracy...me and Mrs. Merkel against the poor real Poles!!!! Be afraid...be very afraid!

Apropos:

Cause he is not Ze German.

My grandfather marched into Warsaw 1939...doesn't that count at least for a tiny bit "Ze" German in your eyes??? *pouts*
Come oooooooon....

Bratwurst Boy

9 Apr 2009

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Invest in something that will make Germany and Poland not dependant on Russia.

Erm...how about other pipelines projects like...say...Nabucco you mean?
Or more of this?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany

What else do you have in mind?

Maybe the Ukraine can help us with that? What are you doing?

Though from what I saw you are defending all the time, it smells fishy whether you are truly German ;)

But? Now I'm curious....how would a "true German" react?
Would you prefer I would call the Russians my enemies and defend stupidity?

Bratwurst Boy

8 Apr 2009

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I still think depending on Russia is a suicide on an European scale waiting to happen especially when we have alternatives.

Read some of my posts in this thread Sokrates (I don't want to repeat myself again)...Germany does everything she can to support several projects and of course the development of renewable energy to counter the future challenges...

But during the next years we can't change the facts as they are and one better acts on them!

#107
#124
#142

Bratwurst Boy

8 Apr 2009

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I actually meant the Russians and their energy resources, so did Nathan! :)

...at least I think so because till now Germany AND Poland are dependent on Russia for their gas mainly....but some Poles still talk about Russia as if they were their worst enemy ever..

Bratwurst Boy

8 Apr 2009

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It is not done for free, EU will receive discount through gas transportation that will cover all your expenses + interest, BB - you are welcome!

I believe it when I see it!
The Ukraine is broke, the generous EU will most likely never demand anything very seriously, not wanting to throw the Ukraine in the abyss...

What is irrational about it?

Well...trying to antagonize the only one who keeps you breathing is "smart" yes? And you have thought it through thoroughly, yes? And you still think it's a good idea???

Oh and if the one who keeps you breathing still lets you live and makes sure you stay alive even after and during so much antagonizing is a real "horrible" enemy, is he!

Hopefully you will never get a worse enemy!

The German Army in Moscow...we made it...after more than 50 years....finally!