History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Why a war, Russia's live in denial, this need not be a war. Sooner or later the truth we have to be dealt with, not everything can be solved with fighting.

ONE of Russia's most popular television shows is "Wait For Me", a true-life tear-jerker that finds and reunites separated couples and families. Sometimes the stories it tells are run-of-the-mill melodramas that could have happened anywhere. But often they are tragically Russian, combining huge distances, lavish and indiscriminate cruelty and impenetrable bureaucracy: siblings separated 70 years ago when their parents were executed; lovers who lost one another in prison camps.


This could not be further from the "truth". Instead of dealing with this "truth", you try to fight the victims from speaking out. This no longer will work.

He writes of the "genetic fear" that percolates through generations, and the need to believe in bad rulers because the alternative, believing in nothing, could be worse. "Either they were guilty", Simonov says of Stalin's victims, "or it was impossible to understand." The terror, Mr Figes notes, "tore apart the moral ties that hold together a society." It is still recovering.

economist.com/books/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9982824

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]

I could go on and on with who they are, the last link that gives the numbers was from 2002.


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KGB headquarters to demand the restoration of a monument to its founder which jubilant crowds toppled in 1991.

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As a poll demonstrates, the majority of those interviewed favor the idea of re-erecting the Dzerzhinsky monument in its former place (56%), and 14% disapprove. Public stands on this issue are strongly affected by socio-demographic characteristics. The greatest support is found among communist sympathizers, elderly people and primary school graduates, while university graduates and people with relatively high income levels (1500 rubles monthly per capita) are basically against it. Young respondents are more likely to be undecided on the issue.

bd.english.fom.ru/report/map/yakusheva/ed023828

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]


Yes that they keep saying they may put back up.

Under President Vladimir Putin, the pendulum has swung further toward the view of Stalin as a leader who deserves some measure of honor. Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and Russian President Boris Yeltsin both denounced Stalin, Yeltsin perhaps most vehemently in 1996 when Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov mounted a strong challenge for the presidency.

"It is so typical of Russians that people can get very upset when one person dies, but when millions die, they are indifferent," said Yakovlev, one of the leading figures behind the economic reforms of perestroika and now the head of a state commission to clear the names of those persecuted under communism. "This is thick skin, and I think this is scary. People do not seem to care whether we confront this chapter of our history or not."

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[Putin has authorized the issuance of 500 special silver coins bearing Stalin's portrait and unveiled a plaque honoring Stalin for his military leadership. He told Polish reporters this year that though Stalin was a dictator, "it would be silly to ignore" the fact that he led the Soviet Union to victory in World War II.

quote=ConstantineK] Neverthless it's a question of money?[/quote]
You brought it up. This was a USSR and Communist Poland aggreement. What does that in itself say?

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]


This plus more, I am sorry but this is not the whole story. From the USA, we lost our country, homes, and family members. This whole truth will come out and the truth about your exiled families that did not run away, but were to be killed if they came back to communist Poland.

History / THE POLES ON THE FRONT LINES OF WWII [92]

WW2 conscription into the German army and other issues, differed from year to year and depending on who was listening, but one thing is relatively certain, most able young men from those areas were rounded up (lapanki) and either deported to Germany as slave labour and/or conscripted.


Especially about the territories of Poland like
Silesia regarded by Germans as their own.

News / The new Polish government is going to do... reprivatisation [25]


This was set up by communist Poland 60 years ago. Yes there are applications and yes funds for this.

"Polish
Compensation Law for Land Lost during the War beyond the Current
Borders". You have to be a Polish citizen (which means you or a
family member were born in Poland) and you need documents OR 2
witnesses attesting to your claim. There is a sunset clause; claims
must be lodged by the end of (or 2008?) only, then it's closed
forever. The financial compensation offered is not great, but is
based on a ratio (20-60% for Lwow believed) of the current land
value of an equivalent property around Krakow in present-day Poland.

News / The new Polish government is going to do... reprivatisation [25]


This is not a Jewish thing, this is a Polish that were sent to Siberia, killed and removed from their own property thing. Look up "osadnik", this was property given to front line heros that fought for a free Poland. Other military could purchase property. My grandfather was given the property and had to forfiet his medal for bravery on the front line. Of the ones deported by "Stalin"by July 1,1941 reports were over 10,000 were dead, today we know this is much higher.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]


First, Pres. Putin might try the truth vs. putting Stalin in your childrens history books as some great hero. Stalin was a great killer. Second, stop with the lie's about the past treatment of Polish. Stalin's value of the people was nothing, his own people included. Third, Maybe a little sympathy for the past deads of killing so many. Monuments for the millions that lost their life's, family's, homes. Just for a few.

Since Poland became free in 1989, floods of documents have been released, people are able to seach for loved ones left behind. In short the "Holocaust" is no longer a Jewish crime. Catholic's are now able to speak out, the cat is out of the bag so to speak.

Since you brough up money, I will ask you, why should Poland compensate the families from eastern Poland when it was Russia that took their homes and lives and I might add, Country?

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

This artical gives food for thought on some things Russia can do.

"They are the pride of the nation," the President said of the disappeared. "We still remember this tragedy. We need to do a great deal to ensure that this is never forgotten."

Yes, we do. Build a big central memorial to them, this lost nation of ghosts. Dig up Stalin and bury him in an unknown pauper's grave. Crush the Stalin cult of rehabilitation- run endless documentaries about the truth of the Gulag. Bury Lenin- this macabre waxwork founding father of a deadly experiment. And let's have some trials, finally, after all these years. Slay some monsters for the victims, Mr. Putin- you know better than anyone who they are.

The true enemies of Russia aren't America or England, Estonia or Georgia, Ukraine or Poland. Russia isn't the backward nation of yesteryear- it is a military, financial, and resource superpower. Though Russia has suffered horribly from invaders, equally bad have been the enemies from within, and until it learns to resist their enticements, it is condemned to repeat the past.

hammernews.com/monsters.htm

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]


This is not about money, this is about respect. Stop thinking Polish will be pushed under your carpets. We may have lost our country, but some of us did survive to speak out.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]


No, it is a very large piece of history that has been distorted, denied. If this was blame, it implys we do not know who is responsable, we do. I clearly do not understand how such a large number of people have been silenced for so long?


Yes, and there are some parts of history that are beautuiful and show the human growth. I may be affected because of personal events, yet as a human still be able to see the wrong in not showing remorse out of respect. Ignoring Stalin's treatment toward Poland is not going to work for Russia anymore. For Russia to do this only further serves to show the country as just as cold and uncaring as before. Poland is no longer silent, I am here to remind Russia they now must take responsability for the actions taken 1939-45 on Polish population.

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Are you kidding Stalin ate his people for breakfast. This was started before 1939.


Say what, Stalin lied and said he was helping set up a free Poland. "Evil occupier" was none other than "Stalin" himself.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]


My family were near Wolyn, right next to Losiatyn. My father had a hard time talking about his life in Poland. Most of what I learned came from my aunts, grandfather and documents I found. I grew to love Poland and her people just by hearing about it from my grandfather. He never gave up hope that the Polish eagle would fly free.

As I learned the truth I was very upset, how dare anyone hurt my family upset. I guess I could have said this was enough for me, instead I found out that this misinformation was what people believed. When I looked at the amount killed, slaved and exiled I was outraged at the hidden truth. Stalin had silenced a country under communist rule, USA just didn't bring it up, maybe out of shame.

In history to have this many people, treated so horrific and yet it was referred to as the "holocaust" as we all know was the suffering of Jewish. We were and are the "Forgotten History" and I feel we have a responsability to make sure our loved ones are remembered.

I speak for my family and other victims that suffered at the hands of "Stalin" who killed in Katlyn, sent the reserve Polish military, and just Polish in general to Siberia to slave and die. The one that lived after this, he used them as his own and when done, took their country and exiled them to another country.

This has nothing to do with today's Russian's unless they decide to put "Stalin" on a pedistal as a great hero. He was not a great hero, he was a mass killer. Germany has taken the rap for actions perpitrated by Stalin. I want the truth to be told and the Russians, Americans and the rest of the world to understand what took place and why.

It is accountability, and without this (reguardless of timeframe) responsabilty must be taken or respect is not being given to the victims.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]


First and for most lets let our children be children. I love the sound of childrens laughter. As my children grow I want them taught the truth. History is our childrens to explore just as it was ours. In order to assure they don't repeat "bad history", they must understand the bad parts as well as the good. Todays children are tommorow's future, reguardless of where we live.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]


News Flash, History is never a closed page. This is why it is called "history". It is documented and studied for the rest of mankind.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Liberation my a**. What Stalin didn't kill he slaved, then he silenced communist Poland, any military were exiled vs. being killed as "enemies of the state". Stalin took over Poland, even the under ground top brass that reported to Stalins meeting, were killed. There is no way to make this pretty, people were killed and used just as Stalin used his own. And this my dear is history.

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]


When we look at Russia's role in eastern Poland it has been ignored, denied, and I am sorry it bores you. 40% of Poland was killed off, exilied forever to another country. It was not Germany doing this in eastern Poland it was on Stalins orders, it was not just Jewish, it was Greek and Romam Catholic. It was Stalin that refused to allow USA access to airfield to assit Poland in the end.

Poland being held captive by communism was pre planned take over of a country I lost. If this bores you so, I can suggest not clicking on this link but going to another one. What bores one may have altered anothers history.

Exiled as hostiles, "enemies of the state", Communist Poland, 1951

History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]


yes, if it is the truth. Is there a link to this in English?

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I have not seen the movie yet, but can't wait.

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I want the whole truth, the reserve family's from eastern Poland included.

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Or the truth a "cold blooded serial killer" of the worst kind.

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Pres. Putin's recent push to have Stalin in Russian childrens history books as a "great hero", makes me care, for one.

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heroes & killers of the 20th century

Have you read the numbers that were killed? Do you really want to use the church to hide behind?

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moreorless.au.com/killers/stalin.html

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LOL What I want to know is when is the American festival. Yes mattias I can laugh here also.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


I thought they wanted into the EU?

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

If Russia will not con't to work with Britian who will?

The presidency underlined the important role the British Council and other cultural institutes of EU countries play in fostering cooperation between Russia and the EU, noting that cultural institutes form an essential element for the mutual knowledge of peoples and cultures, and should be strongly supported.

EU concerned over Russian demand of closing British Council

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Whats that saying "money talks"

THE INFINITE PUTIN

"Putin has simply achieved the unitary power that Bush only dreams about, the absolute power to dispense tens of billions of dollars, crush any critic, imprison any potential rival... without a single"

hammernews.com/infintiteputin-captimes.htm

History / Want to know more about Poles and Polish soldiers during WWII? [18]

There is access to three short Real Audio interviews of Mieczyslaw (Mitch)
Lutczyk by Marcelina Styczynska. Mitch speaks primarily in Polish, and
Marcelina gives brief English summations. (If you don't have Real
Audio, there's a link on the site.)
Mitch talks about being attacked by the Germans and Russians in 1939,
then fighting back as a tank commander in Normandy in 1944.

vac-acc.gc.ca/general/sub.cfm?source=feature/normandy/norm_ report/daily_jun10

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Russia must learn how to treat Britian or any other guest in their country. It is as if Russia does not want to have interactions with other powers. Or I should say country's that think for themselves.