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tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
UK, Ireland / My Views Of Poles Working in the UK [169]

Well, I'm not sure about that one. I think rather than anti-Polish then, they may be anti-immigration...

yes maybe some are anti-immigrant, not immigration, i think there is an important difference here. People like myself are anti-immigration, meaning we think the policy is wrong and needs to be changed. Being anti-immigrant is against the people themselves which i can say i am not against any individuals who enter this country.
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
UK, Ireland / My Views Of Poles Working in the UK [169]

BTW - I know you aren't included in the anti-Polish brigade.

i don't actually think there are many anti-polish, they are just confused
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
UK, Ireland / My Views Of Poles Working in the UK [169]

the problem is mate, nothing will ever be done because of statements and views like this issued by people like yourselves. For those of us who are concerned over the immigration policy this sort of thing does not help. It just gives fuel to those voices taht say 'your just being racist'. If you want to help your country then fight the immigration policy not the immigrants.

I have a lot of feelings the same as you about the UK etc, however there are ways and means and this is not the way or the means.
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
UK, Ireland / My Views Of Poles Working in the UK [169]

What a laugh.. Churchill is having now... to see how idiots are running our Country.

he's turning in his grave i'm sure
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
UK, Ireland / My Views Of Poles Working in the UK [169]

However, it will take rioting on the streets and civil unrest before anything changes though. Even then, the chances of REAL change are slim.

We need a Government with a radical agenda, however, we need some radical politicians first.

yeah its true it probably will take civil unrest for something to be done, it should not come down to that.

As for teh radical politicians, they won't get through the screening :)
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
UK, Ireland / My Views Of Poles Working in the UK [169]

oth ways

which came first the chicken or the egg, or in this case, the unwilling immigrants or the unwilling UK residents :)
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
UK, Ireland / My Views Of Poles Working in the UK [169]

Tornado, I'm _Sofi_, I just have a new profile.

ow sorry i didn't realise :) thanks for letting me know :)

i think it`s the employer`s fault though if they decide to hire people whose english isn`t even basic.

i agree it is down to the employer who they appoint for certain roles within a company

i agree with that as well, but just as with your first point, it does not only apply to the polish. if you look at the muslims or hindus, they don`t seem to want to intergrate either. personally, i noticed that a lot of english girls seem to be reserved towards me for whatever reason (maybe i look scary lol) so i can`t make friends with them but my parter`s friends who are english, are nice and i enjoy the time i spent around them (that is when we get to meet up cuz with a 1 year old it`s not so easy hehe)

yes i understand its not just polish i think i said that in my post that i wasn't picking on the polish only. I also take your point that some of the british populaion don't seem to want to intergrate with the immigrants. There needs to be effort from both sides.

some people just don`t want to work. those jobs were available in the uk before 2004, nobody made lazy a$$es do them so the eastern europeans had to come here and do them.

yes i understand that, i think i did mention that too in my post. I just think the money spent on benefits should be spent getting these people into work, instead of taking the easy option by opening up our borders to every ski, scu and ahmed.

which benefits do you mean? i`m getting child benefit and child tax credit, currently seeking work (we just moved house + coming back from maternity leave) so claiming JSA, i also received maternity allowance and sick pay. i never worked in poland, have lived in the uk for 4 years (1 yr on the isle of wight and 3 yrs in london). so do you think i should not be getting this? i think some people are commiting benefit fraud and that should be monitored better.

well if you have never worked in Poland then i can assume you've been here for a long time, so therefore can be considered a british citizen. So your welcome to those benefits and you hae a right to claim them :)

your welcome :)

cheers and thanks for the contribution

you are really out of touch Tornado;0

lol, i'm trying to be polite instead of blunt :)

I am not talking about you. I don't know and I don't want to know what you have done or didn't do. It is not my bussiness. It is up to you.

wow ok darling be forceful thats fine i was just replying to you, if you want to say 'i don't give a s**t what you think' you might as well :)

writing a letter intelligently put together doesn't have to be racist at all. Just a though.

no your correct, although as i said writting to the MP's that got us here in the first place, lol :)

Polish people or any migrants should not be allowed ANY benefits. If you cannot find work you should go home. This is common sense. It goes to show this nonsense that Poles are here doing jobs we don't want to do if there are some not working and on benefits. You can look for work in Poland at the expense of the Polish government. This is why we have nationalities/countries and passports. Poles are not subjects of Britain.
THIS NONSENSE HAS TO STOP!

your right in a way, if they have not been here long enough to be a british citizen then they should claim polish benefits.
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
UK, Ireland / My Views Of Poles Working in the UK [169]

I am not blaming anybody here T. I am sure that you know what I meant and I don't need to explain to you how democracy works.

lol thats funny, yes i know what you mean of course and yes we live in a democracy, however we may have voted the government in but they won't even give us a referendum on the EU so its not the man on the streets choice, so to speak!!!.

Besides, it is boyond my undrstanding how so many people come here and complain and only one member of PF actually have undertaken some steps and wrote a letter to his PM. He has done something and took the legal road to change it, the rest of people are just venting and it is not to be taken seriously.

good on him we need more people to do the same. I think there is a difference between venting and putting down your real feelings. Although i am sometimes drawn into the rant, i feel most of my contributions are more than just that.

I wonder how many people actually have done something? Action speaks lauder than words and it applies to anything in life.

what can i do without being accussed of being a racist?? lol. writting to your MP are you joking look at what the MP's in charge of the country got us into, you really think they can lead us out of it :)

When I said Britain, I meant the govt tornado. We all know that. If u doubt my sincerity, go and check what I have written elsewhere. Hitler caused all sorts of bad views of the Germans, Bush of the Americans and so it goes. Separating the actions and views of the govt, or even individuals, from the people is of CRITICAL importance. U probably won't find a greater acknowledger of this fact than me. Go and ask other PF members my take on this.

ok mate i believe you, lol, its just you did say britain and i wanted to make sure that other people understood that it was the government, i wasn't having a pop at you

Well said Tornado! No one EVER asked me if I wanted my town to become like a giant airport. The government have allowed this but now this problem is affecting the middle classes that's why it's such a big issue. Even the BBC, that bastion of PC is getting involved. I really wished I didn't care, I'd like to be like Sophia and have a pointless existence, a bit like a turd on footpath - but I do care. At least debate is being allowed without the racist card being played.

By the way, My town is 'up north'.

it is frustrating when something you don't like is happening and is totally out of your hands. I'm sure there are thousands maybe millions of people who feel the same, well actually according to the latest polls a lot of people actually care about immigration and the fact it needs sorting out.
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
UK, Ireland / My Views Of Poles Working in the UK [169]

Seanus:
BRITAIN allowed this, BRITAIN!!

that summs things up nicely.

no no no no no, don't blame Britain and the people, its the government!!! they are the ones who decided to join the EU, they are the ones who have allowed mass, uncontroled immigration, not the British people!!!

It is also the fault of the EU as there is too much freedom of movement.
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
UK, Ireland / My Views Of Poles Working in the UK [169]

Sophia

please may i ask a few questions, firstly are you polish yourself??

secondly, is it the points commonsense is making that annoy you or is it the way he is writting them??

Thirdly, are you offended by anything i wrote??

Finally, do you live and work in the UK?? (If the answer to the first quesiton is no, then you can ignore this, lol )
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
UK, Ireland / My Views Of Poles Working in the UK [169]

Ok here is my real, honest and straight up opinion of what i think about 'poles working in the uk':

Firstly i am quite happy with polish people coming to the UK and working, i have no problem what so ever with this. There are many very intellegent, switched on, hard working and committed Poles willing to work and its only fair that they have the oppertunity to work here. As Poland has been part of the EU for a while now i think its important to remember than unlike some immigrants they are not illegal, they are allowed to be here and as long as they pay their taxes work here.

However there are certain elements that i do not like and that i would be unhappy about or think needs changing, so here goes:

1. Non-English Speaking: So this is my first issue, Poles who do not speak english and do not make an effort to learn the language. As i understand English is taught in most schools in Poland to some sort of level. THis means taht there should be a basic understanding of our language. However more and more i find people in jobs, in this case polish as its a polish forum, where they cannot communicate to me the information i require. I was in Marks & Sparks only last week looking for a tie, i asked the girl standing at the sign that said 'can i help you' i asked her were the ties were as it was a pretty big store and didnt' want to run round for ages to find them. Firstly she did not understand what i meant, secondly she couldn't communicate with me in my own language. I find this un-acceptable that people working in customer service in the UK cannot speak english. I have mentioned one occassion yes but i can think of many more and my friends have had similar experiences. I know that not all jobs require speaking to people but the ones that do should not be taken by people who do not speak or understand english.

2.Polish ONNLY communities: Ok this point is just as important as the first and probably contributes to it. When people come to the UK to work or live they should at least try or make some sort of effort to mix with the people of the UK. There are many places around the UK where there are a lot of Polish and in some places, Hammersmith, London, that are dominated by the Polish. THey make no effort to mix with the population of the UK, speak the language. This to me is not acceptable, if you come here then you should muck in with the rest of us. Part of becoming multi-cultural is understanding and learning about each others cultures, how are we meant to do that if you don't mix!!!!!!!.

3. Complainers: I'm affraid its true yes, there are polish immigrants who come here to make a better life for themselves and all they do is moan about the UK. Ow the british are lazy, you can't get polish stuff, nobody likes us and other rubbish like this. If you come to the UK and don't like it, then you can go back home its no problem to me or anybody else in the UK. The polish are not the only immigrants who o this but yet again i say this is a polish forum so i'm talking about the polish. I assume that people have come to the UK either because they want to earn a decent wage, better themselves or have come for a better standard and quality of life. So if they want all this then for heaven's sake find a job your happy with and stop complaining :)

4. Minor Jobs: This is something i feel strongly about, recently in the UK there has been a big thing about benefit scroungers etc etc etc. The government while they realise there is a problem are not doing anything about it. Fair play on the polish for coming here and taking jobs such as toilet cleaners, catering, customer service etc etc, however its not helping our own population and is flushing public money down the drain. If all these jobs that the polish and other immigrants are doing, were instead being done by the lazy brits that claim benefits and get away with it, then we would have less of a problem. I'm not blaming the polish or any other immigrants for this. The government are being lazy, instead of letting anybody into the country and agreeing to all this EU rubbish, they should be hand picking people to come into the UK and work where the UK needs it. Then spend the public money that is going on benefits to these lazy people, instead, on getting them out into these jobs!!!!!.

5. Overflow: the polish are not the probelm, they are just part of it, we have way way way way way to many immigrants in this country, we need to cut down on the amount we let in and should have been doing so from the start. There are over 1 million poles in this country at the moment along with the millions of other immigrants. We have our own population and no matter what you may think as many positives immigration has there are major negatives. Housing being given to immigrants instead of the homeless in the uk or those who are in need of it. Benefits being claimed by immigrants (UK benefits should not be given out to non UK nationals) With all this the overflow of immigrants has gone way beyond a joke.

So there you go that is what i think, as i said at the top i'm very happy to have polish in the uk and working. People are probably going to scream racist racist racist and other abusive words my way. Well i know thats going to happen but i hope you can try and understand some of the points i have written about and consider them fom a UK nationals point of view.

Thank you

T
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
Love / Why Polish girls are awesome? [141]

Just think of how many tourists travel to UK to enjoy the view of the local beauties.

f'ing millions i can tell you :):):):) there are a few countries that could learn from our ladies fashion sense :)

now me personally I think Polish girls are sexy ;)

well actually those Bhutan girls, wow wow wow there hot, in fact all of the 200 and odd countries in the world have hotties, its not just POLAND or any singular nation!!!
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
History / Should Russia pay compensation claims for the families "Stalin" removed? [27]

My groups from eastern Poland care. Family that had victims "Katlyn" care. I think the numbers would suprize you.

mate i'm sure they do, however the reality is that if nobody outside of poland cares then nothing will be done, your wasting your time chasing this. Russia dosen't care, the rest of the world couldn't care less so why why why why bother asking for an apology that nobody cares about and that would be given without meaning???
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
History / Should Russia pay compensation claims for the families "Stalin" removed? [27]

ok yes, polish victims again, your right you 'were' victims. I think that is the point here 'were' why chase russia around for words that they probably don't even mean and probably don't care for. How many of the russians who committed these crimes are even a live and if they are there not really in positions of any power.

A perfect crime is one where the criminal is unknown, in this case we know who did it and yet Russia plays the innocent card. It is only when we can be honest about the actions and Russia takes responsability that trust between Russia and a nation can grow.

Russia can grow whether or not they say 'sorry' for whatever you want them to say sorry for, who cares outside of poland, do you think russia cares if poland dosen't like it or not?? i doubt it.

Why has Russia not taken responsability? This is simple, no one has told them they must. They claim to be the largest victim due to number of deaths yet many were killed by "Stalin" himself. They say "Communist Poland" /"Soviet run" compensated with "Germany" property. This stealing from one to pay another only added another
victim. "Stalin" takes eastern Poland and charges it to Germany.

they don't care, why do you feel it would be at the top of their minds, i bet they don't give a damn. Whats the point in hearing 'sorry' if they don't care and don't mean it, its worthless.

Poland being free to speak out as to the crimes commited has really just started. "Katyn" is a true story and just has broken the ice for the whole story to come to light. History will show the world the full truth in time. I suggest Russian's be brought up to date on the standards. It may even change the way the world view them?

as i said before i don't think the rest of the world cares that much, if that was the case russia would have been forced to say sorry or pay up but they haven't so i don't really think the rest of the world cares, to be honest i can't say i'm that bothered, either for the crimes against poland or any crimes against the uk. It was in the past. People responsible are either dead or not in any position of power or responsibility.

Sorry mate its nothing personal or even against poland, i would feel the same if it was my own nation, i mean do we scream at the italians for an apology because of what the Romans did, no we don't.
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
History / Should Russia pay compensation claims for the families "Stalin" removed? [27]

If it was OK for Germany to pay, why would you say Russia should not. Or are you still thinking it was not blood on Stalin's hands and under his leadership that the revenge took place?

no mate its just my approach about the past being the past, if we went over every single war crime committed by whoever all around the world, could you imagine???? I wish people would just let it go sometimes, i don't mean forget, i just mean the complaining and moaning. Of course horrible, bad, shocking and whatever else you want to call those sorts of events that happened, it just borders on the rediculous when time after time people want money money money money, i was always under the imporession that people's lives were not valued in monetary terms:)
tornado2007   
19 Apr 2008
UK, Ireland / My Views Of Poles Working in the UK [169]

myy views on the polish working in the uk is that hhhhmmm well their polish and their working in the uk :) what else is there to add. no matter what anybody may think its legal and there is nothing anybody can or should be able to do about it.

Yes there are too many immigrants in this country and yes it can cause difficulties but personally i have no problems with Poles working in the UK or studying here, i just don't like the ones that are doing jobs that our government could FORCE our lazy so and so's to do :) However that goes for all immigrants in these jobs and not just the polish of course
tornado2007   
18 Apr 2008
Love / Why Polish girls are awesome? [141]

I'll get slapped if I "correct" the spelling for one of those words lol

thats a fair point actually

I sussed it out from talking about English girls... lol

yeah i suppose it was rather obvious after that conversation
tornado2007   
18 Apr 2008
Love / Why Polish girls are awesome? [141]

Can I come?

lol i love it, but haven't you spelt one of those words wrong :)

Are you English or Polish? Just curious... :)

I'm English and proud of it
tornado2007   
18 Apr 2008
Love / Why Polish girls are awesome? [141]

I said that this thread is bul. I have read through it.

Ow Miranda even when people say nice things about you :)

nite boys:)

Dobranoc
tornado2007   
18 Apr 2008
Love / Why Polish girls are awesome? [141]

I think Miranda is Polish.

wow i'm obviously been blinded by love, for a second there i thought she was canadian, wow i'm dizzzzzzzyyyyyyyy help me :)

Dude, MrBubbles can read between the lines. He understands. Don't worry - you want to look good on the chck thread. That's cool with MrBubbles.

i think you might need to see somebody about that problem you have, speaking in the thrid person is a very very disturbing thing you know!!!!

and some cute sqeals when they get excited about something

Nothing sexual. It's not that sort of a friendship. They love puppies, sports cars, clothes etc.

no i don't think he read very well between the lines either :)
tornado2007   
18 Apr 2008
Love / Why Polish girls are awesome? [141]

Agreed lol, but the Polish women are great too I must say. But they're no better than English girls.

ow don't get me wrong i didn't call them bad in anyway, i was just commenting on the way our girls dress themselves.

Good. As long as they don't do it when they're 30. That just looks sad

lol, i agree

hey,canadian girls are cute too( I think...cant picture any at the min but there must be some,right? :) )

yeah i'm sure there are, i bet Miranda's a hotty, well she's hot under the collar anyway :)
tornado2007   
18 Apr 2008
Love / Why Polish girls are awesome? [141]

As a matter of fact they act more female than any girls here would act. Hair, nails, skirts, shopping, and makeup... and some cute sqeals when they get excited about something :)

lol i must admit, sometimes those eastern european girls butcher what our girls might call fashion, you can tell a British girl from an eastern european by the way they dress :) if there is one thing about our girls they pride themselves on their dress and shoe ware :)

OK, this is a buls**t thread anyways:)

Miranda calm down dear, maybe a massage is in order, just relax, close your eyes and feel yourself drifting into a long deep sleep, lol, sounds like you need it :)
tornado2007   
18 Apr 2008
Love / Why Polish girls are awesome? [141]

This "Polish women are better than English women" is bu.llshit. I've got female English friends that I get on with more than I would with anybody, more so than my male mates. They're fantastic. Some people are quick to rip into people. I've met some ugly faced, ****** English girls and I've also met some ugly faced, ****** Polish girls. Evelina springs to mind, she can't keep her gob shut.

its not the first time i've agreed with you, here once again i find myself doing exactly that. Its a good job there are people putting the word in for our english girls, there are plenty of lovely, genuine, sexy and whatever else you looking for in English girls :)

I also agree with the people who find the guys looking for this and that sad. I can't help but laugh when i see the stupid little adverts, they really think that a 'real woman' is going to reply. P.S. Jova i like the vid, haha

Sure - English girls are great if you fancy going to a real ale festival and doing some arm wrestling. I yearn for the days when I could listen to a girl burp the first line of the national anthem. Unfortunately we don't get that in Poland (wipes tear from eye)

what rubbish you speak, ok i'll tell you what, at least our english girls live their lives in their younger years, instead of stuck indoors just doing their homework and having to study until they turn old and wrinkley, even then their not garuanteed a decent job. That is something i could say and mean, now i didn't mean that because its an example the other way around of the rubbish you just wrote. Girls are girls, there are girly girls and there are tom boys, whatever country in Poland, England and probably on freekin mars too :)