Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


Ola is a part of the problem if she cannot communicate her rational, linear, logical objection an idea/situation. her comments are inciteful to hatred against people going about their everydays.


I know a huge number of Polish youths from my home city, Wroclaw and at others besides. It is only the 2 here that ive ever met have such sentiments worded with hatred.

we all hate the fact we cannot afford homes in our countries (and the rich get rich no matter there are ireland or poland (and ive seen many mercs and flashy cars in poland -with Polish registrations - too many for them to be all blow ins or foreign investors)

I have no objections or 'beef' against frustration. I can appreciate it as i am frustrated to about my own housing market for eg. but i will not lower myself to racism and 'warnings' to foreigners.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

G i could say you dont want to see facts either!

so its a circular arguement bbbuuuuuudddddddy

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


that IS a racist comment. An example of what we talked about ola

LS, if you feel there is something not racist about this i would have to question your ability ti be impartial

I would say the same if someone was saying GO HOME POLISH. its still racist.

Go fix your gov't ola if you dont like it - but you dont need to be xenophobic to effect the change you wish

UK, Ireland / Integration with our new Polish neighbours in Ireland [12]


in a good way i trust G :)

last i heard it was nearer 200,000 in IRE but i wouldnt be surprised if it floated between 200 and 400K

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

your a lost cause. a perpetual cynic.

you couldnt find a drop of water in the ocean or grain of sand in the desert!

i'm sorry G, we disagree.

:)

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


oh that would make perfect sense! who else would agree with her but herself!!!!!

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


its up to me to convay the message i intend to the reader. If i am misunderstood I must try to help understanding in my original message.

This is the same for all people. gov'ts. etc.

This is the same onus on you

the 'say what you mean, not what i said' is nonsense

Life / Do Polish people sneeze? [38]


LEGEND!

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]

well we know it wasn't what hullo was advocating and you knew it too. You agreed to HULLO's defintion of revolution.

If you wish a thinking and political revolution, thats much better. However. Go home english, we dont want you here. Is still a racist view and not a politic i subscribe to and i would always stand up against this kind of statement as small minded xenophobia!

I do however, encourage you to learn economics and poltics as it may unveil to you, the reasons behind what is happening RE property markets. its a SMALL % is foreign investors. (smaller still the amount of that that are english specifically)

Your method's of 'warning' bubba and other foreigners are juvenile and a veil for your own, ill be polite and call it 'mistrust' of any one but poles who stay at home 9as you've object to those that go away and come back). Warning them against a thinking and political revolution is not needed (and dare i say, NOT what you were warning them about! be honest, at least with youtself)

The EU has helped, will continue to help, Poland will grow, will continue to grow.

proof? I need only point out my own country as exhibit A

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]

you 'agreed' it was time for a revoltution

how is this supporting your declared opposition to violence?

is there some other kind if revolutionary style im not aware of?

id rather you were for peace and against violence, but the only pole i see advocating it is you and hullo, even LS and Greg are not so strong fisted in this pursuit you have.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


With arguement like that i see you'll go far. All you've done is shown you cannot refute the fact that the EU has been good for poland (can you say poland is better outside the EU?)


Lose what? Who's talking about paradise? im talking about the EU making poland better economically one grant at a time (like it did for Ireland and Portugal etc - we are not paradises, but we are MUCH better off then being outside the EU

Strength in Numbers -together we stand, divided we fall. Poland is the same. Your better off in the EU than on your own.

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


oh i see, your crazy - you refuse to accept that your views are racist (go home english) - (im irish so i guess i can stay :))

you dont have to say 'revolution' to say 'i agree' (which you did :))

and correct me if im wrong - revolutions, are violent?

mmmm direct quotes not needed ola123. your actions and implications speak volumes for you.
And your pretty stupid to try hiding behind 'LITERAL' quotes (thinking your so smart for it too but its only yourself your fooling)

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]

We dont want foreigners in Poland buying out our homes, go home english GO HOME and leave us alone. And dont tell me I didnt want you, Poles dont want you here bloody capitalists.

Dont be suprised with hostility towards foreigners buying our land . Beware .

Me, Grzegorz and there is all Poland hostile towards bloody foreign capitalists that steal our land.
Better dont buy land in Poland, just friendly warning.

We were sold by english to Russia and now they are buying our homes, lets stop them! GO HOME ENGLISH!

Ppl will get pissed. In fact ppl are pissed already now........ dont ask me what happens next because pissed crowd is unpredictable , not to mention pissed nation .

You are pathetic polish living outside country thinking that you can make good business buying properties in Poland..... I have less respect for people like you than for these foreigners because they are loyal to their homelands.

Pole is the worst enemy of a Pole. Thats old saying but too true.

Quoting: HULLO
ME THINK TIME FOR ANOTHER REVOLUTION
Ola123 response:
I agree.

West sold us 50 years ago and destroyed our land so they should pay for it now. They havent done it yet and stealing our land is not making any good for them.

bub dont tell me I didnt warn you.

eh ola, did i misquote you? (all copied and pasted from your VARIOUS comments in the other thread! All very clear to what i said and NOT me putting words in your mouth - you said it.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


you cannot be serious!! how much money has the EU just given to Poland in the last two years???

unfair???


im sure she does have them, they involve pole on pole crime to remove poles that leave and return to buy land

and not to forget revolution

oh wait, you said construtive....my bad

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


your kidding? - you started a WHOLE thread about it!!!

warning about 'violance' and that you 'can't be held responsible for what happens to the poles who return from abroad and the foreigners who go to poland!!

do you want me to call over and walk you through your own posts?

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


wiem, wiem ale can you believe i felt i HAD to state the obvious....


i hate posts - you cant here sincerity over sarcasm :)

buts its BW so its gotta be sincere :)

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


the other topic in relation to 'warning foreigners about buying in poland' that there will be a revolution. (im summing it up here and being rather nice about it)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

The EU is not a charoty ola we agree.

The EU is an organisation built on bettering the lives of EU citizens. This includes Poland. And now the EU are helping you to build Poland into an economic power to better the lives of its citizens and the citizens of all Europe. (where is the Charity in that? - its simple economics. If i do well and you do well, we both do well. This is opposed to older 'nation' economics of the early 20th Century which helped in precipitating war! - the sanctions and the collapsed economey allowed Hitler to manuipulated a starving nation. The EU has now since prevented this from ever happening again. Yes or No? (rhetorical question, the answer is obviously, Yes))

Now, when people are frustrated and roused, they look for someone or something to blame. In the housing market, you see foreign investors as the aggressor. I think you should find the property analysis about who is buying what in Poland. If you wish to 'blame' anyone (and i dont suggest blame is appropriate at all) its your government you should focus on. It is the Polish Government you need to 'warn about pending revolution about property' not innocent investors from home or abroad who's only crime is having the money. (Which your crime is envy! - if you had the money you wouldnt be here talking about this)

I know it is frustrating. I cannot afford a home in my own country (or yours!!!) but I know economics and its not down to foreign investors (though they exist) it is a combination of many factors! along with global markets, costs of materials, labour, access to services and facilites, increasing wages, increased demand greater than supply, government policy, etc.

Look towards your own governments policy on housing ola and i believe you will see why you cannot afford a home. If there is any linear, logical, rational thought, you cannot deny 1+1=2

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


very nice :)

And i would like to make clear. Im not calling her a racist or a nazi, im saying her posts were very racist and nazi-istic. There is a difference. I dont believe Ola means to me (I really hope not) so aggressive to non-polish and that her sentiments WERE racist (while she may not intend them to be, doesn't change the fact of what was said)

and i share your view of Poland as a welcoming country and i see huge similarities betweeen Poland and Ireland for example in this area.

Food / Funny dinner table discussion in Poland [4]

Lubie To!

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


to think that a revolution would solve anything these days does....

i try hard not say what i think....bubba does that, but come on Hullo!!!

violence? racism? bigotry?

That's what you are saying here!!

Food / Funny dinner table discussion in Poland [4]

...what does it mean?....

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]

so your saying poland is In a bad situation? or that it is in a situation that is bad and not getting etter?

or that there are people who cannot see that things are in fact improving for poland every month?

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


well hey thats the bottom line and ALL i care about. I am talking about ola23's ridiculous racist remarks that are disgusting and against ANY moralistic society and not a good image for poland she is.

Poland is lovely and if i want. (and if i can afford) I will buy there.
Ireland is not british btw. And Ireland has the same difficulties you face for young people so get over yourself! youve been told by several people how it is in different countries and it IS the same for all young people. We just cannot afford houses right now. I agree there needs to be more help given to first time buyers and better taxes on those buying investment properties.

my main arguement was the blatent xenophobia


ill assume you mean person and are not limiting house ownership to only men.


eh, i dont think so either! maybe you dont understand english so well as i asked you 1700zl per year? which means i was ASKING YOU to confirm this.

and i DID NOT mention wroclaw wage average. I mentioned IRISH wage average.

I DID note the prices of houses in wroclaw are not as bad as your making out. One of my polish friends works in real estate there and I can see myself (you dont have to be Polish to see houses for sale in windows of real estate shops WHILE standing outside it in the street in Wroclaw!!)

Love / need a match site for polish girls [28]

Is there a web site for polish people in english

i thought this was one???

try match.com man and search for poland if thats what you mean

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


Thats a ridiculious statement. its all relative perception. The cost of living actually is VERY similar all across the EU. the fact is truer to say that the UK and IRE it is MORE expensive to live here! (due to logistics of supplying island nations) The fact that the UK pound is worth 5zl and that the Polish Economey is not up to EU avg (yet)


$1700 per year?

You should move to wroclaw mate, I was there last week and saw MUCH better average than the one you quote.

Average wage in my area (per year) EUR 34,000 (approx)
Average houseprice EUR 350,000 (two bed - add extra 100,000 if Dublin)

Its a pain no matter where you go LS. Poland is no exception and is not the only one in this situation. foreigners buy here and will buy in poland. (It no cause to start Jihad, KKK, nazi-istic attitudes)

Life / Polish positive attitude [24]

its creeping im sure :) i know many poles who are happy, but asw to bein g 'optimistic' about poland and its future, i think they are slowly changing :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

its glad to hear some reason here. while i agree with certain sentiments (bug rob for eg :)) its no good us giving them 'a reason'. better to try, try, try again with eductation.

we are all aware that if the poles could buy the land at a price they could afford...they WOULD then sell the land to ANYONE who was willing to pay a higher price! so DUH i say

and the comment about the russians, true, they have to a large degree accepted capitalism, there are more russian millionaires made each year! (granted i think most are under dubious conditions - look at abramovich! - oil! - and he owns an english football club, they LOVE him there, as he was able to give it SOOOO much needed funds!)

so its par for the course, you only like investment if your winning and you act like a bigot when you are not. its like playschool!

i appreciate your fears about rising costs but its not a reason to start 'summery (KKK) justice' (also NAZI style BTW!!!) and xenophobia!

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


ah so you DO know what im talking about :)

mmm Warsaw, paris of the east. how about paris, warsaw of the west :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


'for it is in giving that we recieve' :)

dude, same for ireland, we all went to the US, UK, oz and now it is Us taking the workers! :) we are doing a fair bit more civily too! (though obv some difficulties but NOT even a comparsion to the past) your time will come to BUT that is a good thing that poland returns to strong vibrant and place to be!


700 years occupation - we just dont know where my land is anymore! so here we are.

lets move on, upwards not downwards, forwards not backwards, and twirlling! ALways! twirlling!