News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

Funnily enough, I think it was Chertoff or sb near Chertoff who procured atomic bomb data. Some snitches also passed such data to Russia. How dare they infiltrate the US in that way?

Look it up, there was a high-profile case where the guy was caught and reprimanded for what he did.

As for the Jews, well, thank God that Poles don't do likewise there. 2 wrongs don't make a right and they have the decency not to do that. When I watch videos on the Palestine Vs Israel conflict, I often think that Israelis look dirty.

News / 14 year old rape victim from Warsaw denied abortion! [348]

Gunslinger, let's continue this on a point-by-point basis.

1) I agree with you that legislators can be clueless and insensitive but that's a matter for society to regulate and all of us have to accept that sb has to represent us and make laws. That doesn't change the fact that they declared it to be legal. This is for society to change through the relevant democratic channels and discussion through the appropriate forums (fora). "How very human the child is"??? Define very human please (it has the human genome of course). You are wrong, it is how very human the unborn child (foetus) not even will be but may be (miscarriages, sorry, it was you who introduced stats against your own case). Let's say 'will likely be'. In the earliest formative stages, zygote-embryo, you are wrong. However, I also accept that it MUST undergo this formative stage to become as we are so that's where I compromise. The problem for anti-abortionists is in seeing that. I know that if sb killed my bro's young baby or my wife's bro's young baby in front of my eyes (because they are tangible and have taken their first breath is the argument of many), I'd see that as infanticide and would be furious. As long as anti-abortionists can see what I'm saying here, I'll be happy. Still, Gunslinger, please don't make inferential leaps and be careful of your definitions/terminology. Things like this hinge on words.

2) You are confusing the militant wing of Hamas with normal, everyday Palestinians who are not aggressive by nature. Anyway, kids should be well-nourished beings.

3) They don't have malice aforethought, right. Therefore, it doesn't fit the definition of murder as you have claimed that abortion is. Wanna try and meet the definition of infanticide then? This is definitional stuff and concerns the nature of crimes. I'll give you the legal definitions as this is my specialism from uni.

4) First off, I don't assume either way if you have considered that point or not. I don't 'think' that at all as I don't know you. You are just a forum user like I at this time. Gunslinger, please don't turn it on its head. I am well aware of the love and support that many adoptive parents provide. That's in no way in question. However, there is no substitute for real parents, right? You didn't address my questions directly at all. Wow, you could be a legislator ;) ;) ;) God gives us all love, yes!

5) Ridiculous, Gunslinger! Suicidal thoughts are the corollary of being raped for many. Rape is the proximate cause and abortion is then restitution. What is a "completed rape"? Stallard VS HMA (unknown citation, sorry) is the seminal case regulating rape in Scotland. It is the forcible penile penetration of the woman's vagina without her consent, loosely but effectively. Rape is rape, what is an uncompleted rape? You mean that the man ejaculated, right? I'm assuming so, so let me address your point. If that was the choice made, then fine. The fact that it was made by the mother, even better!!! "Murderous social plague"? You have just admitted above that it isn't murder, albeit tacitly. Why on earth are you discussing numbers when I am discussing principle? Also, you are just proving that it isn't a major issue anyway in incidence terms. I don't want to second guess what the industry thinks. Emotion driven as opposed to robot driven? I'm a human, are you? Are the two, reason and emotion, mutually incompatible? According to you, I don't even feel for the woman anyway but am somehow selfish in addressing practicalities.

6) A guy who is about to be murdered KNOWS he is going to be so, feels fear and has a very acute perception of his existence at that moment. Your ignorance led you, in one dismissive stroke, to wipe out the importance of foetal sentience. Sentience is a core issue and there is a fantastic Star Trek episode where Picard defends Data against the deconstruction wishes of Bruce Maddox, a scientist who wishes to examine him for being only a machine. Data can speak and has broad awareness of implications. Does a foetus? Can a foetus talk? I know that it probably will but it still doesn't have sentient status like a zygote and embryo.

7) Easy answer for me. I don't give a toss what she is concerned about, her stats matter. 89% abort within 12 weeks according to those stats. The remaining ones, well, abortion is not black&white so, without further knowledge of the specifics of those cases, I care not to pass judgement.

8) OK, I'm prepared to admit that my stats were way too high (I only surmised after all) but, based on one source, I am not going to believe that yours are any better. How do I know that those views weren't extracted to serve an agenda? Where is my guarantee? It stands to reason that many women would get an abortion after rape if they are self respecting individuals.

9) I think you were ignorant as I was referring to that link which you likely didn't even read. Hmm, "in reference to the link 2 paras above" is not clear enough for you??? I wasn't talking about the pro-life lobby as a whole.

10) I thought, firstly, that you'd recognise what wink marks meant. Secondly, that it was taken from a play you no doubt know, Jesus Christ Superstar, in the 39 lashes scene.

So, what is "the real truth"?

M-G, let me answer your question. The pro-life lobby have neatly circumvented that problem. They have introduced laws which expressly forbid the adoptive parents from revealing the identity of the kid's real parents within a given time frame. They want to normalise the relationship with the kid at the expense of, da da, the truth. Is that the "real truth", Gunslinger? LOL Seek and you shall find ;0 ;)

Food / Hare, rabbit, boar, venison, pheasant, grouse, squirrel, etc.? [21]

Some ketchup on your eggs? Sly, sly ;) ;) You know how those girls love to lick it off ;) ;)

Sorry, this is a Polish forum after all.

I've tried rabbit but I just sampled it. I was taken aback at watching it being skinned so only had a morsel or two.

Venison, yes. I was given some by my fellow teacher here. The texture is the best part of it, it just sits in your mouth beautifully.

I've tried a couple of game birds as my best friends Dad was a hunter and caught some, using those lovely hounds to bring them back. He was a lovely man, RIP

History / Did Ukraine really "steal" Polish land? [302]

For confusing everyone and even yourself, that ranks among the best. Take a bow ;) ;)

I can't believe we are discussing this divisive issue. Ukraine and Poland need to further build on their ties and not go back to old wounds.

History / Did Ukraine really "steal" Polish land? [302]

I think you even managed to fool yourself with that post, Crow ;) ;)

Land 'stealing' could just as easily be described as a passing of hands.

UK, Ireland / Polish women in Scottish bogus marriage scam [20]

I have just checked my wife's, nothing written there ;)

News / THE HOMINTERN IN POLAND? [80]

Lesser, that was the reason for its withdrawal. Well, secrets should be secrets ;0 ;)

As do I, Lesser. Decisions should be made with the knowledge of the parents but that's what PTA meetings are for, right?

UK, Ireland / Polish women in Scottish bogus marriage scam [20]

Testes are balls, southern. They have no testes, only their men have, ROTFL ;0 ;)

News / THE HOMINTERN IN POLAND? [80]

Let's not talk at crosshairs here. They demanded the withdrawal of it as they felt it to be unsuitable. Does that necessarily make it unsuitable though? Poor argument, lesser.

Let's not confuse suitability and desirability. Its suitability is a matter for debate. I didn't feel like it transgressed any moral boundaries at all. As for desirability, well, ideally such matters should be discussed more at home.

Lesser, what if the said matters were discussed at home and the parents were of the belief that it was alright for their children to be gay (sth you are and generally don't choose), what then? Where is the harm to you in such a decision?

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

Aha, so when the Nazis killed Poles, effectively telling them that they were targets too, they were expected to deny their core essence? (i.e their survival instincts).

If it's every man for himself as you said above, why can't you apply that to Poles? They had to fend for themselves, living under oppressive conditions and living in constant fear.

Empowerment you said? Aha, so why didn't Poles flock in their droves to sign up for such duties? Maybe they did but I'm not aware of it.

Sorry, what is your main beef with the Poles behaviour in WWII again? (Let's say the Warsaw Ghetto)

I'll check it out, M-G. Thanks!

Was Żegota appreciated?

News / THE HOMINTERN IN POLAND? [80]

It's not indoctrination at all. I only watched the first one where there was open discussion and the kids seemed quite aware of the taboos attached. You first tease out their views and then you make them question them. That encourages cognitive development and circumspection.

Closeting children in that way is not fair, lesser. Please understand that there are those who fight their sexuality based on taboos but end up giving in to it as that's who they are.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

Almost every kind of law known to man forbids murder, M-G, but people still commit it.

My bad, not SS men but just Gestapo. "...handing over the duty of human-hunting to the Jewish police and the Jewish labour bureau...We were all the more horrified when we saw that men with whom we used to shake hands, whom we had treated as friends, men who had still been decent people not long ago, were now so despicable. You could have said, perhaps, that they had caught the Gestapo spirit. As soon as they put on their uniforms and police caps and picked up their rubber truncheons, their natures changed. Now their ultimate ambition was to be in close touch with the Gestapo, to be useful to Gestapo officers, parade down the streets with them, show off their German language and vie with their masters in the harshness of their dealings with the Jewish population."

The above is from the chapter, 'A fine gesture by Mrs K', of his book The Pianist (Szpilman)

Care to explain, M-G?

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

Exactly right, ZIMMY. The Jews are bickering amongst themselves and fractious disputes can be costly. Insiders will tell you exactly what is going on there.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

I've read those stories too, M-G. I'm not sure if they are true as I don't know the people who told them. They could be spiteful gits with axes to grind for all I know.

Collaboration, M-G? What form did that collaboration take?

Please tell me about Jedwabna. You know, we often read about 'incidents'. Just think of the Racak Massacre. Damning lies spread by enemies of the Serbs. How can you be sure that they weren't lies, M-G?

I've also heard that Jews themselves joined the SS in rounding up fellow Jews. Why do you think that was? (assuming it was true).

It happened in Poland because there was a large concentration of Jews here (simply put) and Poland was:

1) Closer to Germany and

2) Not as tough a nut to crack as the Soviet Union where many more Jews were.

Hitler had to first take the easy steps.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

"Poles as a nation are in some way responsible for the death of 3 milios Jews"
michaelstanislaus.salon24.pl/107355,aparat-terroru-w-prl-rodacy

This is what you posted, Sokrates. I dare say that, in some instances, omission is almost as bad as commission but this doesn't really fit for the reasons I outlined above.

The Nazis came uninvited to Poland, M-G. How were the Poles complicit? In a nutshell, please.

Lesser, the definition must apply to the times? I very much agree with that.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

Sokrates, did she modify her statement later? Being wholly responsible and being "in some way responsible" are 2 very different things.

M-G, Sokrates made a point which he could/should have elaborated on above. I think I know that professor he was referring to and watched his whole presentation. It was a long time ago now though. Also, IDF deserters should tell you something. They also point to instances of foul play.

The bottom line is that we weren't there and thus we need to use our imaginations to the best extent possible that doesn't fit any biased pattern/line of thought. I tend to side with Sokrates. Why? Because fear of an absolutely ruthless extermination machine will overpower you. I often get the impression when reading people writing about history that they just can't get their heads into those times. It's all very well saying that Poles should have helped, which they did anyhow, but to imply that they were complicit is rather insulting.

Torq, I meant that they were his positions. I try not to name call (I occasionally do, mind you). I have said elsewhere that he reasons well, which he does. He is no freak!

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

Lesser is indeed that! There is an abortion thread which he ducks as the rational tends to trump the emotional when it comes to such an issue.

Sokrates, he is not aware of the position on the ground here and I think he'd admit that. I have lived here for 5 years and have never heard of anything like that. Ask SeanBM, he has lived in Kraków for a while and he hasn't come across it much, if at all.

Greg seemingly has but isn't it odd that he is anti-Semitic too?

People just see what they want to see. Some good lyrics from The Beatles song, 'Nowhere Man', are good here. 'He's as blind as he can be, just sees what he wants to see, nowhere man can you see me at all?'.

UK, Ireland / Polish women in Scottish bogus marriage scam [20]

No, I wasn't referring to those marriages, Dons dude. They can come across to Gretna Green, for example, and properly consummate a marriage.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

Lesser, the problem is that feet are dragged for too long. Katyń occured in April 1940 and the Genocide Convention came into being 8 years later. You have missed the chance as the perpetrators are long dead.

Let's not be too pessimistic about the relations between Poles and Jews. I am reliably informed that Israel is a popular tourist destination for Poles and that they are well received by Israelis and treated to some nice hospitality. Let bygones be bygones. They know that Poles don't go there for revenge but to see their beautiful country (those bits not stolen from Palestine). Occupied territory says it all though.

Life / Who has moved to Poland in the last year? Swap stories. [115]

Poles don't steal? Some Poles aren't dirty? I met an Indian and he was made to feel welcome by some here but doesn't the lack of welcoming say more about the host than the guest?

USA, Canada / Do you think Americans are idiots. [149]

Scrappy, I am not gonna second guess you. Scots can think on their feet well enough.

Krysia made a super point, there. Leaving for money is understandable at one level but is pretty shallow when it comes to building a strong Poland. Then again, many send money back from the UK, often enough to set up shop back home.

USA, Canada / Do you think Americans are idiots. [149]

Please explain that tier system as I don't know what you are talking about.

USA, Canada / Do you think Americans are idiots. [149]

I've never juggled in my life :) Nope, just taken a photo and can confirm that I only have one face. Oh, one brain too :)

Some Europeans are good company, others aren't.

I've never seen the word b/tch in a dictionary, largely because / isn't recognised as a letter :)

Obsessed with America? Nah, but why shouldn't I take an interest in the world's no1 power? Your decisions affect the world, am I wrong?

YOU are obsessed with Europe and your hangups, that much is clear!

Quit the flaming, lad

USA, Canada / Do you think Americans are idiots. [149]

Fat? Prove it. English lapdog? These are the days of the EU, fool. Sycophant, how?

Go and listen to Ozzy Osbourne's song 'Denial'. It's perfect for you, sucker!

USA, Canada / Do you think Americans are idiots. [149]

No I'm not. I have no wish to discuss all the issues here at all and I said that.

Well maybe you were looking for it, Scrappy. Sorry that everyone doesn't smell like roses but that's not my problem.

Timotei, exactly!! You shouldn't.

USA, Canada / Do you think Americans are idiots. [149]

PP, who spun you that yarn? For starters, many want to curb the global population in a big way and those people are more powerful than the US govt, let's be clear on that.

Also, you needn't worry too much as Japan's population is dwindling due to the lack of interest in reproduction. The problem is such that they are thinking of drafting in foreigners to help out.

What incentives are the US govt providing then? There needs to be some as couples aren't stupid enough to burden themselves with 5 kids, just so that they can compete with Asia. What a farcical idea!

Scrappy, low blows are your preferred deflection tactic I see. How do you know so much about European hygiene? I don't/didn't notice a general problem either here or anywhere else in Europe. Ships with holes, however....:0

USA, Canada / Do you think Americans are idiots. [149]

Hey, don't fret Scrappy. Rumour has it that they built a ship from the scrap steel from the WTC towers :) They might sail it across to you as a friendly gesture, LOL

We come with good tidings and a ship with red scorch marks and some nanothermite and aluminium/iron composites ;)

Ah well, not to worry, you still have the French gift, aka The Statue of Liberty :)

USA, Canada / Do you think Americans are idiots. [149]

Sledz, right on! Unless you are somehow old school in that you are set for life, times are tough and guarantees few in some sectors.

Different question. It goes without saying that Obama is less sympathetic and generous to big business than McCain would have been. Without going into the merits of that, to what extent has Obama embraced socialism in curbing/regulating the activities of the main corporations? I followed the pre-election debates fairly closely but what's the word on the streets now? I'm not gonna look at some feckin biased Obameter which monitors his progress. I'd rather hear it from you guys.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

OK, sure thing. That last post is how I write :) :( ;)

The Jews did what they could and we can't blame them for that

USA, Canada / Do you think Americans are idiots. [149]

Good point, Timotei. Organised criminals are pretty smart and can easily pull the wool over the eyes of unalert and unsuspecting immigration staff. They can make out like they are Christians and questioning them would be to doubt their sincerity. You have to do that, though, but what if you couldn't disprove their claim?

I'm not gonna revert back to 9/11 but, in my view, Americans made an enemy of the Islamic world by framing them. Yes, jihad is evil but there are better ways to expose that.