History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


A genocide is a crime aimed to kill representatives of a concrete ethnic grup for its common reduction. Of one or some ethnic groups, not the intellectuals of all ethnicities as it was during communist rule.


If it is a real genocide as qualified by 1947 Convention. The mass murder of upper social groups (intellectuals) for gouverning later over workers and peasants is not a genocide (Polish publicist A. de Lazari is of the same opinion). It is the crime of the same danger but it requires its own term

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


I find it difficuft even to enumerate shortly. There are books of manu volumens only enumerating mass executions of people in Russia. Such as Gulag by Solzenycyn translated into Polish. I'm sure you also know about that even if you can quote the frase that We have lots of people.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


I don't think this is an offence. I'm not afraid of a real offence.
I am only unable to understand what in my post discoveres that I'm of that opinion. I also stated that for me Katyn is only a part of communism crime

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


20000 Russians is also very much. 20001 is much more. Millions is hardly imaginable. As for each Nation.
But everybody can suffer as Russians.

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Puzzler,
I want you to know: Politicians in Poland who insist in Katyn genocide determining play a dirty game. They know exactly that it may become a precedent for some xenofobic Russians to quolify mass exterminations of Russians also as genocide. By belonging of considerable part of GPU-NKVD to people from Latvia and Jews.

Some Polish politicians know that and that is in my opinion the main reason they insist. Polish authorities today have problems connected with xenofobia. They will be glad if Russia will have a greater extremist reputation

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Ledts talk.
Puzzler,
I'm against chauvinism by destroying tre Nation. But I'll never agree the Russian chauvinists killed Poles in Katyn. Russian nationalists were also fusilated by the same authorities which fusilated Poles at Katyn. No Russian spirit governed in NKVD.

Genocide is a murder of an ethnic group or its part. If intellectuals of all ethnic groups are killed that is not a genocide. That is another atrocity we should give a name. Not only Polish intellectuals were fusilated during Soviet rule. Russian, Ukranian Jewish, all intellectual elite of all ethnies.

Katyn is only a part of this crime. For 1937 20000 people was an every two week NKVD work.

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Yes I'm Russian. I have ancestors among people of RP. Some my relatives were also fusilated by being accused as Polish Spies. Not in 1939. Earlier. The rest had to leave houses in Soviet Union in order to escape from NKVD. Hate me for 1939.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

The topic was about Russia, not Germany or Ukraine.
Or we can analyze everything only as schwabian-turkish kolbassa?

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


A just hate!
But are you sure there are no Poles who colaborated with Soviet murderers? No their sons and grandsons? Are you sure they don't prosper now as postcommunists. Prosper better than the sons of their victims?

Are you sure their participation was lesser than that of ancestors of each of 142 million Russki beastlies?
The challenge is that Russians are long away. You can hate then without any contact. As to Polish postcommunists, they are nearby and it is quite uneasy to fight against them.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Ola,

Please pardon my previous post. It's clear I'm sure there are different opinions in Poland today. The problem is that I managed to contact nearly only with Poles that were angry and agressive and didn't try to demonstrate good manners. Besides that many Polish films penetrated in Russia (exept historical ones) have also agressive and inmoral protagonists (beginning from 1970 approximately).

As ro Russian "friends" as Erzy Urban they are worse than enemies. They are or the same nature as those Russians - Polish "friends", as we the Russians call them liberasts (like pederasts). But this topic is away from our discussion.

Imagine: people of the 19 century (Poles and Litwins) were like English Victorians. People my ancestors told me and those described by such writers as Orzezkowa (sorry for incorrect spelling). There are no such types among my contacts (except an old (84 years old) Pole) in Moscow or in Internet comunity. There are no such protagonists in films today

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Grzegorz, you are confirming my post, aren't you?

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I'm also Moskal.
I think we are dealing with another Poland than that of 19 century.
In those days Poles and Litwyns were opressed by Russian Empire but despite sufferings people didn't loose their nobility, szlachetnosc. They were brave enemies of opression but always looking for nobility charateristics even among Russians. In Pan Tadeusz Mickiewicz gave an example of Russian captain Rykow.

My mother's ancestors also from catholic Belarus-Litwa, a poor szlachta didn't have evident reasons to love Russians but they didn't hate Russians. To hate was below their personal dignity.

Now peasantry spirit governs in Poland today. People will never understand your idea that "Russia suffered the communist regime as well".

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You have mentioned one of the worst phenomenons. Very few works translated from Polish.
No Pasek translations no Rzewuski.
Sometimes it occures to me that people abroad should collect money for translating of Polish-Lituanian literature in different languages (Russian in my case) to an Endowment able to organize this work