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How Vanya won the Battle of Grunwald.


Borrka  37 | 592  
3 May 2008 /  #1
You probable don't know but our Russian brothers deeply in their patriotic hearts believe to have won all battles of the universe.

The only dissonance is the Polish - Lithuanian Grunwald (Tannenberg) victory 1410.
But Russian scientists offer a reasonable solution of this critical issue.

In those old days Russian Smolensk was a part of the Grand Dutchy of Lithuania so the city fulfilled its vassal duty to the Lithuanian senior.

Smolensk sent two tiny units of about 700 soldiers both, less than 1% of the total.
But their contribution to the victory was not forgotten.

According to the Russian historians they won the battle what makes Grunwald a common Russian - Polish and Slavic victory over the Teutonic Knights.
BubbaWoo  33 | 3502  
3 May 2008 /  #2
Russian brothers deeply in their patriotic hearts believe to have won all battles of the universe

i have it on good authority that the savior of the universe is flash gordon.

was he russian?
southern  73 | 7059  
3 May 2008 /  #3
they won the battle

The Germans admitted that braveness of russian soldiers in this battle was beyond usual.They resisted the Teuton knights attack when the lines almost collapsed by the shameful retreat of lithuanian cavalry.Russians stayed in their positions and fought fanatically despite their lower quality weapons.This saved the battle for the Commonwealth cause the Poles managed to reach the retreating Lithuanians and bring them back again.So the russian contribution was decisive.Of course they did not make the bulk of the allied army,however they made the critical power difference that determined the result.

Keep in mind that the Germans who never forget and always want to restore honor called the battle in 1914 battle of Tannenberg deliberately although it did not take place exactly in Tannenberg.In this battle they faced and defeated russian troops.
OP Borrka  37 | 592  
3 May 2008 /  #4
Yep and later on they defeated the Lord's Vader Army.

PS. The Lithuanian retreat was a part of king Jagiello's tactic.
Soldiers from Smolensk didn't get the orders on time.
Sasha  2 | 1083  
3 May 2008 /  #5
According to the Russian historians they won the battle what makes Grunwald a common Russian - Polish and Slavic victory over the Teutonic Knights.

Blaaah... :)) I've never heard of that bullsh.
You better post in the "humour" thread. Man... I'm f..g tired of alike pseudo-patriots in Russia who wear the same t-shirt as you do ("I hate everything russian") but turned inside out where's written ("I hate everything polish"). Do you really think that your posts are able to do any good for Poles?

The only opinion I've heard so far in Russia about Grunvald battle is that it was one of the most significant examples of Slavic Unity. Normal people would use this historical event as a base for friendship with Poles, for the brotherhood. People like you always stick in throats of normal ones and cause all the wars.

2mods: Topic is a provocation.
OP Borrka  37 | 592  
4 May 2008 /  #6
If you are tired you can always stop reading the forum.
At least my postings.

Then, what kind of the "Slavic unity" you mean ?
Polish-Lithuanian ?

Lithuanians are not Slavic and Polish-Russian unity is something like a double-headed cow.
Never existed.

I will leave the forum ASAP.
After clearing some chauvinistic lies.
As promised to my friend Constantine.
Bartolome  2 | 1083  
4 May 2008 /  #7
was he russian?

He was an American, so there's a big probability he had Russian roots (and the surname Gordon might have derived from e.g. Gordonov).
Grzegorz_  51 | 6138  
4 May 2008 /  #8
Historical "reverse engineering" in this case could be: Smolensk should be Polish (again).
bartek  - | 10  
4 May 2008 /  #9
The only reliable source of information about battle of Grunwald is Annales seu cronicae incliti Regni Poloniae of Jan Długosz. One part of Annales... descibes the battle. Długosz has collected memoires of knights who survived that war. Długosz writes about troops from Smolensk and Novgorod, which were only support of main forces and were outnumbered during firht. By the way - Novgorod was independent republic, destroyed by Moscow in 1478. After antirussian rising tzar Ivan IV captured Novgorod and exterminated about 50 000 citizens.

Republic of Novgorod was since 1389 the fief of Polish Kingdom and since 1470 the part of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

So troops from Smolensk and Novgorod in 1410 were in fact one of parts of one Polish army.

pozdrawiam
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
4 May 2008 /  #10
Smolensk should be Polish (again).

only if Warshava will be ours

By the way - Novgorod was independent republic

BTW, Novgorod never was independent state in the forms you think, it always had a feodic hommage for Russian tsar. And as soon as the head of Novgorod rep. had plotted against Ivan IV, it had been panished sufficiently. Lern Russian History! Sometime it will be very useful for you!
Sasha  2 | 1083  
4 May 2008 /  #11
Then, what kind of the "Slavic unity" you mean ?
Polish-Lithuanian ?

Polish-Russo-Tatar-Lithuanian. Works better for you?

After clearing some chauvinistic lies.

You seem to make a slip in speaking. You probably wanted to say "after popularazing some chauvinistic lies".

and the surname Gordon

Jewish.
Jukrek  - | 58  
9 May 2008 /  #12
Polish-Russo-Tatar-Lithuanian. Works better for you

Polish - Lithuanian is correct. Smolensk this time was part of Lithuania.

Grunwald 2007 - Bogurodzica



BITWA POD GRUNWALDEM 1



Bitwa pod Grunwaldem 2
Sasha  2 | 1083  
9 May 2008 /  #13
Polish - Lithuanian is correct.

Oh yeah. If Jukrek the Great said that, then it could be nothing but a truth. :) Everybody has to believe.
Ok. I'm not really prone to argue with fanatics regardless of where from they are.
Just advise... if you want the World to be better, begin changing it with yourself. Soon I promise you'll notice that people around you (even "Russian pigs") changed for the better.
Grzegorz_  51 | 6138  
9 May 2008 /  #14
Polish-Russo-Tatar-Lithuanian.

Well, yes... but according to this kind of thinking any time someone is talking about "Russian" then there should be about a hundred different nations/ethinic groups included...
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
15 May 2008 /  #15
I can please you, even the name "Russian" is adjective, contrary to almost all other nations' names. Just compare Pole (noun) and Russian (adjective). This means only one, that even Poles may be Russian. This is our strength!
Harry  
15 May 2008 /  #16
i have it on good authority that the savior of the universe is flash gordon.

He saved every one of us!
IronsE11  2 | 441  
15 May 2008 /  #17
*IronsE11 puts on his fake Brian Blessed beard*

'GORDON'S ALIVE!!!'

Flash Gordon = Best film ever.

FACT (fact)
Harry  
15 May 2008 /  #18
Flash, Flash, I love you, but we only have fourteen hours to save the Earth!

The only reliable source of information about battle of Grunwald is Annales seu cronicae incliti Regni Poloniae of Jan Długosz. One part of Annales... descibes the battle. Długosz has collected memoires of knights who survived that war.

Do any of them remember hearing anybody saying "Open fire. All weapons"?

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