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pawian  221 | 25292  
25 Jan 2009 /  #31
Hmmm, Polish talent to choose wrong kings is a material for additional thread, Pawian. Your ancestors had wrong bid on mad Valuis dynasty, and what is more, they elected monarch from another deranged dynasty, Vasa.

I think you cherish a bit distorted view on Polish kings. Most of them were not worse than in other countries. Valoise mentioned by you was hundredfold surpassed by the next king, Stefan Batory, the one who made Russians beg for mercy on their knees. :):)

The problem is that kings were constrained by aristocrats and gentry and couldn`t do much to introduce reforms. In fact the state was ruled not by kings but by magnats.

Anyway Russians had never devastated Poland during partitions as your Swedish relatives had done it during deluge.

There wasn`t direct devastation, it`s true, except for risings and rebellions suppressed by Russians. :)
The problem is somewhere else: the general backwardness of the Russian state promoted the same backwardness in its Polish partition zone. The statistics is merciless, e.g., Russian partition had the biggest number of illiterate people. etc etc etc and the situation didn`t change for decades.
OP ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
26 Jan 2009 /  #32
What? You say that Batoriy made us beg mercy on knee? Pawian, don't confuse true historical facts with Matejko's exalted patriotic paintings. Moreover, you blend together Polish and Russian middle aged customs, though they were absolutely different! Russian nobles couldn't beg mercy because unlike Polish magnates they were objects of power and couldn't act by their own will.

Bullsh!t ! You are perfectly aware that illiteracy of peasants of eastern parts was a result of polish sway there. Even today you can observe this phenomenon, because when eastern parts of ukraine are highly industrialized, westerners still sow rape to make both ends meet.

Further, the partitions were like a kiss of God for Poland and its industry, because whole immense Russian market suddenly was opened for Polish goods.
Borrka  37 | 592  
27 Jan 2009 /  #33
immense Russian market suddenly was opened for Polish goods

I hope for my Slavic brothers from Mongolian steppes the immense market of China will be open for Russian goods exactly same way.
Imagine 1.5 000 000 balalaykas sold to China !
OP ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
27 Jan 2009 /  #34
Nu vot, prishel Borrka i vse isportil.

Boris, you spoiled totally our highly educated conversation. Pawian was already on the edge to believe in omnihealing Russian policy.

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