Taras Bulba - the movie

Yes,Poliaky.But they pronounce it like Paliaaki.

This should be awarded to the "bullcrap of a year" nomination.
Nationality is in one's mind therefore I would dare to conclude Gogol was Russian afterall and he did see things from the Russian point of you.


Every historian movie in the new history is more or less politically-inclined. It's at least hypocritic to blame only Russians for producing that kind of movie. Read some Polish articles about Russia or Russians at leisure.


You slo better mind your own business in parallel and see how many things your government has done against friendly ties with Russia. I don't justify Russian propoganda I just don't think there's any room for plain view on things. Unless you realize what your own government is doing any friendly dialogue is hardly possible. Thankfully the views your representing here are not typical for Ukranians. It's just one of many...

I'll watch the movie and tell you better the way I see it.


FYI "liakhy" is not really rude. It's related to the name "Lekh" and the old word for "cultivator". :)) "Pschek" has much more rude implication but even this word I can't call rude unlike to your "moscal" and particularly "kacap".


You call and so brain-dead Ukrainians do but don't generalize and don't disgrace Ukranian nation.


Yes but you missed one important point. Exactly WHY the wore beards. They wear beards cause of their Orthodox religion seeing this way their connection with Christ. So the seed of discord is in fact religion. :)))

Have anybody seen this movie already? Here it is being advertised as quite epic.

Gogol himself called Russians - katsapy.

Delirium

What about another Russian-made film, Admiral (Kolchak). I think it was released last year.

Sasha and Constantine, what do you think? Are you fans of Kolczak because he tried to save holy Russia from nasty bolsheviks? Or do you think low of him because he tried to stop the inevitable progress?

Indifferent?
Trailer
A battle which is massacre in fact

How can I despise him? In Russian society both Red and White movements of civil war were reconciled in 90-th. Eventually bolsheviks and white guardians were making the same thing, after all. As a result, the Russian Empire was preserved from the collapse, though in quite different forms. Anyway the Russian history was enriched during 1918-1922 civil war and Kolchak shines as very bright star. Only one man may be despised and unfortunately it is Russian tsar Nickolas II. He had very moderate abilities to rule and what is more, he leaved empire to the mercy of fate abdicating at the miserable railway station near Pskov. Btw, it is quite peculiar, the name of this station is "Dno" which could be translated in English as "Bottom", in Russian this toponim gives rise to allusion of sinking.

You sure as hell are a patriot, no one can deny that. Who is playing Yankel in this thing? Every picture needs comic relief. Hemingway said this is one of the best books ever written.

lets say it openly bolsheviks and Lenin were traitors and scum paid and help by the Germans to overturn goverment and order in Russia.
As a result there was night of communist rule for which world and Russian Empire paid bloody price into the devils hands!
You should be sorry about the outcome !?
I dont see civil war as enrichment but waste of human life.
Kolchak maybe shines but in the end he lost.

Whom do you mean under name "Bolshevik" exactl? Who was Stalin from your point of view?


And the outcome was quite clear, the SU was a mighty state but the RuEmp not, if we would compare 1917 with 1945 at least. It dosen't mean that I don't like RuEmp, I just want to say that at 1917 it alredy compleated its role and sould be changed by anothe form of government.

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most of them I guess anyway before 1920.
Stalin was a freak of nature one of thoses rare fenomena which happens sometimes
genius of a sort but at the same time murderer and destroyer with no morals at all!
!
Power was his game and no rules his call.
He was the best.
on the other hand he murdered milions tens of milions people , women and children as well.
He started IIword war and he won it!
But his sytem crumbled after his death and thats good for all the people who want to live normal lifes.


Well but in the end all SU might come to nothing and look at the sorry state of the RF.
Im saying that if in 1917 there was no bolsheviks at all another form of government - Russian could make all the difference.
Even not that mighty Russian state could have been better solution.
Russian people need no Empire which is empty shell - they need state where citizen are well off.
Russia doesnt need new terrytories but do need develop those resources it has.
Olso there should be proper devalopment of middle class and comtemporary modern society which does not existe at the moment.

Ironside, I generally agree with you (probably the only phrase grate on ears


) but let's leave it.

For the sake of further dialogue I'd like you to clarify this phrase:


What do you think we're lack of or vice versa what would you like to see in average Russian mind? What does the word "modern" bear in the context?

Hmm, I am a pessimist about Russian chances of better-off life for an average citizen. The costs of keeping such a big country running devour most part of its income. :):):)

Have you read the book Letters from Russia by Custine from 19 century? :):):)


Broad-minded? Cooperative? Tolerant?

Cities with the majority of "white" population meet those requirements. Chechens or how we euphemistically call them here "Czechs" will never be tolerant (at least in the foreseeable future). Hm... did I sound intolerant? :))


Russians are mostly cooperative (from my point of view and I hope it's true). Russian might not help another Russian but will always help a foreigner if he got into trouble. That's our national feature.

modern - more bonds inside society - not at it is now individual versus state.
I would like to see in average Russian more selfrestrain.

I've recently watched it. Well... what could I say... On the whole I didn't like it. Poor play of some actors, too much of "Matushka-Rus'"-stuff which is mentioned at every turn (it's a bit exaggerated comparing to the original), also they went too far with violence having a will to monsterize Poles. Anyway it's worth watching and I would suggest watching it for Poles.

One thing to be mentioned as well... The Ukrainians translated it very interesting way. They replaced original adjective "Russian" in the movie everywhere with "Ukrainian"... from bad to worse... they even translated the book this way which is really funny. :)) I've got now only one question... what could it mean? Do they mean that Russians are Ukrainians or just want to show us this peculiar way that we are the one nation?

Maybe they just disliked the idea of their national hero professing his love and undying loyalty towards a different country?

Anyway, I just love russian movies about the big, bad poles. It means that they CARE.
Also it's awesome to see polish army strong and fearsome. And I like the sound of russian language. I'm definitely gonna see this movie.

Not exactly or, if you want, not at all. Firstly the country was only one at that time and it was Russia. Secondly the cossacks themselves represents the population where the national verge between Russians and Ukrainians was sorta blur and in a way came to naught. They defended one country - the country where they lived.


Hmm... you should keep in mind I think that it's not a movie first and foremost. It's a great Russian novel of a really great writer. Why I suggest watching it for Poles? Not to feed you with another piece of propaganda or whatever. I just want you to be objective. I don't remember if any Pole here ever talked about any "unwanted" pages of Polish history... everything has been sooooo beauuuutiful and rightful. Meanwhile it's not true. Gogol was actually pro-Polish he just took an honest look.

Are you planning to watch it in original? I liked that they didn't translate some Polish-Russian dialogues. It clearly shows lingual similarity.

P.S. The Polish actress there is indeed beautiful.

Why do you keep on writing that ********, Sasha? Aren't you tired of constant lies like that. Ukrainian Cossacks kicked your ass on many occassions - Konotop battle of 1657 alone is worth mentioning here. Were we fighting ourselves or somebody else? Russia didn't even exist at that time - it was a Moskovite kingdom comprising a small territory around Moskow village. Existance of the embryo of your state - Russia - began a bit before pillaging of Kijiv by a Dolgorukyj's son in 12th century.


"Kacapy" was a distinct name for all Russian-speaking or ones from Moskovite "kingdom". There was no "blur" whatsoever. Ukrainians fought you and for it, for their own country, you are right about that and own freedom. To name Cossack a "kacap" was a big disgrace, therefore, Russians couldn't be Cossacks at all.



Any contradiction? I wish at least one thing to be done by Russians that could have been honest, but how is it possible if all your history is based on dishonesty and trying to turn everything around.


Tongue is working, nice job, Sasha.

Nat, aren't you tired of that? Ok... I replace the word Russia with the word "The Rus". Works better now?
I've got only one question (the above stream of consiciousness you're ******** with is uncommentable): who did Gogol mean in his novel under the word "Russian"? :) Just be honestand don't answer the question I didn't ask you.


Yes, I can speak. :)) You?

Sasha, you know that Gogol couldn't say many things he wanted and was forced to publish a different than was intended before version of his work in order to glorify Matushku Rasieju. In his time "Russian" meant Russian and at time of Cossacks there was no such a word, because Russia didn't exist as such. There was "Rus" from Kijivan Rus' and like in case with Romanians who were so much fascinated by Roman empire that called their own country Romania, the same way Russians called later their country after the Kijivan Rus'. Of course, the replacement about which you are talking is much appreciated and more correct. I hope I didn't avoid your answer. If he used "Russian", it means he was either chronologically incorrect or censorship made him be like that.


It is just the way you jumped from "Bulba" to "baba" in the "#78" that I thought you have a great dexterity in certain muscles usually called diplomacy. ;)

What?! How do you know that? :) Do you have any evidence for that?


This theory as plausible as one could say that the tail and the head of the same cat belong to different animals. I'll of course wait for some more time till the actual reality cut you down to size. Your comparison is irrelevant.


Either way sounds ridiculous. Didn't you notice it?

This theory is called history and it is not theory at all but facts. Read and learn history.

Please go and do likewise. :) And pick the proper version out of many!
Just out of curiosity... were you taught all that in Canada or in Ukraine?

What is REALLY funny that Russians don't know about existence of first version of Taras Bulba poem. Read Wikipedia on the topic at least. First version was banned by Russian censorship and Gogol re-wrote it in a "patriotic way", making it such violent and pro-czarist.


Gosh... Russian TV Sasha.... Russia did not exist in 16th century, it was Moskovite state, nobody called it Russia, specifically Cossacks :-))

Guys, again , this is a hate movie, poorly made one. Don't waste your time for watching it. Too many interesting things appearing every day. Buy buy.

They should do a film of "Diary of a Madman". It would be less controversial, it wouldn't go on and on for hours, and it would feature a talking dog. My favourite work by Gogol is "Dead Souls", a work he never finished. There are very few films I'm ever tempted to go and see.

I find much funnier that you ACTUALLY KNOW about the existence of what has never existed. :)


What else? Slopedia? lol :) Generally, I haven't seen anything more stupid and funnier than new ukranian nationalizm and nationalists. Take Nathan (Tolik) alone with his reasoning... Pure delirium.

This was a very smart move to base the film on Gogol's story. Ukranian nationalists have now two ways to get out: either admit they're bunch of pathetic completely f*cked up morons or say something similar about Gogol.

Gosh I read one of translations of Gogol's "TB" into Ukranian... Guys how can you stand all this lie?
Nobody hates you, nobody deprives you of being called Ukranian... Why in the world do act this way? *shrugged*

Hey guys,
I will be relocating to Krakow, Poland, so I've decided to check out this forum. I am new.

I watched this movie yesterday online. It's free on
megafilm.kz
It is in Russian though, so you will need to speak Russian to understand it.

My overrall impression is somewhat negative. The actors are very good, scenery is excellent and battle scenes are very well made.

Having said all of that, it did start with the whole "Holy, Russian land, holy orthodox faith" theme and the theme kept getting louder and louder throughout the movie. I've read the Taras Bulba novel, since it was mandatory in high school, and I don't remember the phrase "Holy Russian" in there being used so much.

So, I definitely felt it got very redundant and annoying towards the end.

Other than that, I think it's one of the better Russian movies I've seen lately.

P.S.
1. Gogol rocks, I love him.
2. Gogol certainly was Ukrainian, but he nonetheless is a great Russian writer since he wrote in Russian and mainly about Russia.

Dont get your point,if a film was made about the American civil war and the southerners called their slaves African Americans the audiance would pee themselves laughing,if the term was in use at the time,no matter how uncomfortable it may be to hear now it is the correct term for a "historical" film,end of.

Example,in the UK we have a famous old film from the 1950s called the Dambusters,surprise surprise about the Dambuster raids in 1943,anyone over 30 knows that the RAF squadren leaders blackdog was called "ni**er",anyone under 30 doesnt even know he has a dog,censored out,history rewritten.

That's what I firstly mentioned among stuff irritating me. Just out of curiosity I googled for it... You might go through using ctrl+f and "rus" typed in it. They didn't really step out of the novel.

Much more interesting to take a look at the Ukrainian translations where "Russian" replaced with "Ukrainian" and "Russians" with "Ukrainians" or at best with neutral "cossacks".

P.S. "Liakhy" is not an offensive term.