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Are Poles the ones who understand Russians better than anyone?


southern 75 | 7,096  
17 Jul 2009 /  #1
I admit that I am almost incapable to understand the russian mindset and I am sure many others will agree that Russians seem sometimes very incomprehensible,difficult to understand.

On the other hand Poles claim that they understand very well the russian mentality.Is there any truth in this claim?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
17 Jul 2009 /  #2
Mentality in what sense? Paint pictures clearly enough and almost everyone should get it. What's complicated about it?
Crow 139 | 8,167  
17 Jul 2009 /  #3
Are Poles the ones who understand Russians better than anyone?

well, Russians originates from Poles. It could be
Filios1 8 | 1,336  
17 Jul 2009 /  #4
What's complicated about it?

Wait, but you aren't Polish, Seanus :)

Russians originates from Poles.

Yeah, but somewhere down the line, they forgot about their roots.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
17 Jul 2009 /  #5
Right, how stupid of of me ;) ;0

All the American and other profs of Russian studies from around the world haven't a clue what they are talking about, right? ;) Only the Poles :)
Filios1 8 | 1,336  
17 Jul 2009 /  #6
All the American and other profs of Russian studies

Sure, but not self-proclaimed PF historians :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
17 Jul 2009 /  #7
Yeah, gotta hate them, right? ;) ;)
Filios1 8 | 1,336  
17 Jul 2009 /  #8
I usually just ignore them...
osiol 55 | 3,922  
17 Jul 2009 /  #9
Russians know Russians better than Poles know Russians.

Or do they?

I'm English and I don't understand the English. Plenty of people here claim to know better, both from here and from abroad.

Who, in this case, constitute Russians? The so-called ethnic Russians or people of the Russian Federation generally, both Russian and non-Russian? I've read plenty of Dostoevsky and a bit of Russian and Finno-Ugric history, but don't usually claim that makes me any sort of expert in the field.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448  
18 Jul 2009 /  #10
Is the relationship, similarity or difference between ethnic Russians and citizens of the Russian Federation roughly the same as that between the English and UK-ers in general? If so, why? If not, why not?
polishmeknob 5 | 155  
18 Jul 2009 /  #11
well, Russians originates from Poles. It could be

Russians (and Slavs in general) originate from Ukraine.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437  
18 Jul 2009 /  #12
I think we understand them way better than Westerners, and that is true that Slavs originate from the Ukraine
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
18 Jul 2009 /  #13
Of course you do, PennBoy ;) So, spill the beans lad. Give us a psychological profile and tell us sth we didn't already know. We are listening :)
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
18 Jul 2009 /  #14
All the American and other profs of Russian studies from around the world

They very often talk crap indeed.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
18 Jul 2009 /  #15
Maybe so, maybe not. It depends on the points they are trying to make.

So, Greg, any contributions to the thread?
PennBoy 76 | 2,437  
18 Jul 2009 /  #16
Of course you do, PennBoy ;) So, spill the beans lad. Give us a psychological profile and tell us sth we didn't already know. We are listening :)

Well first, for instance, i have more Russian and Ukrainian friends than Polish, and second of all i wasn't talking to you di**head, i'm sure i know a whole lot more than you, where did u see a Russian at your local market?? so shut up, you fu**in' idiot.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
18 Jul 2009 /  #17
Oh, tough talk from PennBoy behind a computer, hehehe. There were many Russians in Shimane-ken where I was. Mostly ******! How complicated ;)

I'm listening, boy.
OP southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Jul 2009 /  #18
Yes,Poles say oh yes,we understand Russians.
Violette - | 1  
19 Jul 2009 /  #19
Polish don't know Russians better than others...we just know their advantages and disadventages. And vice versa - Russians see our disadventages too.
George8600 10 | 637  
22 Jul 2009 /  #20
Crow

well, Russians originates from Poles. It could be

Russians barely originated from Poles. Their genealogy includes many other eastern slavic tribes, turks, mongols, and even Germanics. Surely, while they are encompassed mostly of Slavic route, this does not mean it came from Poland. There are many different slavics. Russians might as well be related to any other Slavic state.

As far as your question goes, it deals with psychology not genetics. Maybe since Poles were under Soviet rule for nearly half a century? I doubt it, I better understand Russians because I have taken time to read books and take courses on their history and culture. Not because I'm Polish.....

Thirdly, the Slavics didn't all come from Ukraine, certain tribes might of, but not all of them.

Please study these map's of slavic origin. They are not all "the same".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Slavic_europe.svg

In modern times, West Slavic is known to have genetic differences with East Slavic.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Slavarchaeology.png

Going back to ancient times, you'll see the slavic origins are different from east to west to south.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Origins_500A.png

During late Roman times, you'll see how these different tribes settled.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Distribution_Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.svg

If you look at the gene distribution on Haplogroup R1a (the predominant Slavic gene) you'll see that it's quite widespread. The percentages indicated how many precent of that population has it within the given country.
violetta 2 | 22  
26 Sep 2009 /  #21
polishmeknob

Slavs did not originate from Ukrainians. That's a very politicized argument that I hear and laugh at every single time. It makes people feel special when they say that, especially Ukrainians..no offense to anyone...

When the Proto-Slavic tribes were migrating and settling, Ukrainians did not exist. Neither did Russian, Polish, etc.... there were the Proto Slavs...whom all slavs originated from...

Slavs originated from the Finno Urgic people, who migrated from the far North into Eastern Europe. The tribes that settled in Southern Poland and Northern Ukraine eventually began to disperse across what we now know as Eastern Europe/Russia, and the slavic ethnicities formed over time.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444  
26 Sep 2009 /  #22
When the Proto-Slavic tribes were migrating and settling, Ukrainians did not exist. Neither did Russian, Polish, etc.... there were the Proto Slavs...whom all slavs originated from...

good point :)
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
26 Sep 2009 /  #23
violetta

So it's all the same: Poles, Russians, Ukrainians etc all descent from proto-Slavs. Just like the Germans, Dutch, English, Danes, Swedes and Norwegians descent from the proto-Germans.

M-G (nothing changes, really)
Mr Grunwald 22 | 1,641  
26 Sep 2009 /  #24
So it's all the same: Poles, Russians, Ukrainians etc all descent from proto-Slavs. Just like the Germans, Dutch, English, Danes, Swedes and Norwegians descent from the proto-Germans.

Ugh I don't like reading that yugh...
TheOther 6 | 3,818  
26 Sep 2009 /  #25
I don't like reading that

Get used to it...
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
26 Sep 2009 /  #26
Ugh I don't like reading that yugh...

You have something against Scandinavians? :)

M-G (shopping spree now)
gumishu 11 | 5,326  
26 Sep 2009 /  #27
Slavs originated from the Finno Urgic people,

hmm interesting view - but rather false - Slavic languages have nothing to do with Finno-Ugric language family - Slavic languages are Indo European while Finno-Ugric are not
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
26 Sep 2009 /  #28
Slavs originated from the Finno Urgic people, who migrated from the far North into Eastern Europe.

Huh? I thought Finoegric ppl descended from the Huns? There are only a handful of Finoegric ppl in Europe: The Fins, Hungarians, Estonians and Karelians. I'm sure I forgot a few, but these are the main. They are not Slavic. They're a different race of ppl. Slavs do not descent from them. As far as I know.

M-G (beer: Karpacki, 4 cans for 5 Euros. I know I'm a cheapskate:) )
Mr Grunwald 22 | 1,641  
27 Sep 2009 /  #29
You have something against Scandinavians? :)

Ehm? No I am scandinavian... I don't like the idea saying scandinavians are germanic... They are scandinavian that's it. Not my fault that some moronic fellas run away from the villigaes and started to go south to conquer and pillage...

Would stayed at home and then Norwegian language wouldn't been Germanized bah!
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
27 Sep 2009 /  #30
I don't like the idea saying scandinavians are germanic

Erm....

....Scandinavia[1] is a historical and geographical region in northern Europe that includes, and is named after, the Scanian Province.[citation needed] It consists of the kingdoms of Norway, Sweden, and Denmark.[2] ...

...
The Germanic peoples (also called Teutonic in older literature) are a historical ethno-linguistic group, originating in Northern Europe and identified by their use of the Indo-European Germanic languages which diversified out of Common Germanic in the course of the Pre-Roman Iron Age.

The descendants of these peoples became, and in many areas contributed to, the ethnic groups of North Western Europe: theDanish, Norwegians, Swedish, Finland-Swedes, Faroese, English, Icelanders, Germans, Austrians, Dutch and Flemish, and the inhabitants of Switzerland, Alsace and Friesland on the continent....

So sorry Mr. Grunwald, not everybody can be a descendant of the proud Poles....:)

Would stayed at home and then Norwegian language wouldn't been Germanized bah!

It seems you got it backwards...

...After the Proto-Norse and Old Norse periods, the North Germanic languages developed into an East Scandinavian branch, consisting of Danish and Swedish; and a West Scandinavian branch, consisting of Norwegian, Faroese and Icelandic.[5] ...

But you aren't a Germanic, aren't you?
Didn't you once say you are a Pole???

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